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I too own some Apple stock. I been voting for Cook to stay... Meanwhile I just keep buying their gear so it's me y'all should emulate, since casting a proxy vote is one thing and putting money on gear is what keeps Apple stock worth buying. :D

I used to buy Apple gear when it was good and full of cool new technology. They refuse to do a touchscreen laptop. I went to HP and love the touchscreen. Don't see me going back until Apple does it. It was also $1000 less than a Macbook Pro and, 6 months in just as reliable.

Then I got bored with my iPhone 6+. Apple removed the headphone jack form the 7 and I use it every night as I sleep with headphones to not annoy my wife. So rather than some kludgey nonsense to charge + use headphones, I just went to Android with a phone that's every bit as good as the iPhone but 1/2 the price. I really like it and what Google is doing.

Won't discuss how my 2 Apple TV's are collecting dust and it's pretty much all Chromecast. Or how the Home Pod is a joke compared to Alexa and Google Home.

That's the problem - Apple used to be the default choice for my recommendation. Now it's not.
 
Who designed the Apple watch though? Because that's very typically sexy Apple design.

Well, that's very subjective :) I think it looks incredibly unimaginative compared to other smartwatches. It's almost 1990s with its rectangular display.

Thanks, I thought Jobs may have had some input. It's the clever way you change bands, the simple magnetic charging connector so no gold contacts to wear down.

Everyone at Apple says that Ive started the Watch after Jobs died; that Jobs had no input to it.

The basic shape is obviously Ive repeating himself.


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The rest is all co-designer Marc Newson, repeating his 1990s designs, from the back:

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to the replaceable and sport bands:

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to even the Sport's boxing shape, with paper slips to hold bands:

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I think the Apple Watch's multiple and sometimes confusing input methods (crown, button, touch, hard press) are a perfect example of something that Jobs would not have approved.
 
The fundamental disconnect is that consumers love hardware while the valley thinks software is the greatest.

Steve bridged that gap somewhat, but in real life hardware guys are hardware guys and software guys are software guys.
 
I think Dubberly is conflating two things, Jobs as visionary and gadget design. Jobs' genius was to figure out what gadget we needed. That may be gone at Apple, but iterative design was around at Apple long before SJ died. After CRT iMacs, every iMac has basically been a screen on a stand. Every iPhone since day 1 has been a rectangular slab. Watches (which Jobs had a hand in) are rectangles and will be. Mice and keyboards are static. Everything else (routers, ATVs, etc) are behind the scenes devices and no one cares what they look like.

So I'm really not sure what this guy's talking about. Samsung has caught up to Apple predominantly because of copying design and licensing Android (my belief). While it's true that Samsung has caught up to Apple, the thing that's "fundamentally changed" at Apple with Steve Jobs' death is the vision to predict what the consumer wants next, which has nothing to do with the current product lineup.
 
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Whether you're an Apple or Samsung fan, it's hard to disagree with this.

The iPhone 6 is more or less indistinguishable from the iPhone 7.

What Apple is bringing with the iPhone 8 has been done by Samsung already.

I've had both and no that is nonsense.
 
Well, that's very subjective :) I think it looks incredibly unimaginative compared to other smartwatches. It's almost 1990s with its rectangular display.



Everyone at Apple says that Ive started the Watch after Jobs died; that Jobs had no input to it.

The basic shape is obviously Ive repeating himself.


apple-watch-original-iphone-jpg.629269


The rest is all co-designer Marc Newson, repeating his 1990s designs, from the back:

ikepod-manetee-jpg.629270


to the replaceable and sport bands:

newson_sport-png.629271


to even the Sport's boxing shape, with paper slips to hold bands:

ikepod_watchcase2-png.629272


I think the Apple Watch's multiple and sometimes confusing input methods (crown, button, touch, hard press) are a perfect example of something that Jobs would not have approved.

'Everyone' at Apple huh? I would like to see proof of that! And I don't see why Jobs wouldn't approve? It works very very very well.
 
The funny thing is I don't like the overall look of the S8. Wait, back up. I don't like the curved display. That being said, the hardware still looks damn good. I wish they made one with a flat display. My wife loooooooooooooves it. (She married me so her taste is questionable, at best:D). She upgraded from a 6S and thinks the S8 is the bee knees. She wanted something "unique", which is ironic considering we're talking about commodity electronics. To be fair though, it doesn't look like all the other phones.
I wouldn't underestimate her choice. ☺ actually I like the curved display of s8. Its not similar to the older version. But it looks pretty elegant and like I am holding a sheet of white paper.
 
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Hard to disagree with the fact that an accountant is not qualified to run a technology company known for its technical innovations. Today, Apple is just a stepping stone for Cook's political activism and correctness. He should spend less time on magazine covers and in interviews and start pushing his team to create. Of course, it is really hard to create when there is no vision at the top.
Tim's degree is in industrial engineering with a MBA. Hardly an accountant.
 
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Yes, that is what they do best, and I see your point. However, you can unlock your phone as you're pulling it out of your pocket, or purchase an app using your finger, and use Apple Pay without the need to lift it up, have a camera start, align your face up just right and wait for a facial scan. How awkward would Apple Pay be if you were standing in line and had to scan your face with others behind you. Granted this would be unnecessary if you have an Apple Watch, but not every iPhone owner has a watch.

Maybe they have come up with something else that is much more intuitive, but that's really how facial scans currently work.

I'm intrigued to see what changes they would make if they go that direction, but I won't say I'm not a little hesitant either.

It's really funny to me when people act like Apple is really bad at figuring these kinds of things out.
 
Apple has become extremely myopic and afraid to take any chances now. Still wish they'd have a 3D display phone. I have an HTC Evo 3D phone that has a glasses-free 3D display (which can be switched on or off). This device, to this day, gets more "wows" from friends and strangers than any other gadget I've seen. Wish Apple could add that on as an option. Would take a simple 3D display over VR.
 
Based on all the recent rumors, "iPhone 8" will be either an amazing device (features & design) that will, unfortunately, be in very limited supply until mid-2018, or it will be in many ways a compromised device (plan B features & new design). In the latter case, the only competitive edge it will have over S8 is that it runs iOS.

I have both iPhone 7, and for the past couple of months also the S8. I tried to keep S8 as my daily driver, but it was impossible. It has no support for Mac OS / tvOS / watch OS, and it runs Android, which frankly starts to lag and crapify in a week, unless I remember to reboot the S8 regularly, hard-reset its cache, and run system optimization ever so often – plus all the other tiresome tinkering that I'm sure the nerds that love Windows also love about Android. Top all that with apps that do not have the finesse of their iOS counterpart, and S8 was "no thank you". Stellar display, but that alone does not make up for all the negatives.

I want a phone that works and has polished apps. That's iPhone 7. But boy, the design is getting so old after 6 and 6S.

In September, Apple either delivers and takes iPhone to the next level, or disappoints. I'm hoping for the best, but frankly, expecting the worst.
 
All I'll say is that actions speak louder than words.
You have Samsung copying iPhone/iOS designs for years and getting successfully sued for it, Google copying the iPhone 7 design for their flagship Pixel XL and now just a couple months ago the OnePlus 5 also ripping off the iPhone 7 design.
I think that speaks a lot louder than some disgruntled employee who no longer works at Apple. :rolleyes:
 
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Samsung has better hardware and latest technology.
Apple has better software, better customer service and better integrity with hardware & software.
 
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Considering Steve Jobs wasn't sold on the iPhone for a while and it took a lot of improvements to really get it to a point where he got religion. Steve Jobs did not create the iPhone, he didn't develop iOS or the iconic design, he just did a very good job at finding the right team, the financial resources and selling the iPhone to us the consumers. It took a lot of convincing for him to even consider a smartphone under the Apple brand. Steve is not necessarily the visionary we think, if people within the company didn't argue him down, the iPod would only be a niche device for the Mac.

But that's just the point - there should be arguments and turmoil inside Apple - that's what made them great. In the past this was always in the person of Steve Jobs.


This is 100% on Tim. He needs to find a person or small team to replace Steve. In a company the size of Apple, I guarantee he's already got the people he needs. Unfortunately, I believe Tim's focus is distracted just enough to prevent him from ever making this happen. Tim could be the hero who saves Apple's greatness. Unfortunately, I don't think he has the guts to do it.
 
The S8 has a superior display, but what else does it have? Nothing!

Cameras are comparable, both are water/dust resistant, S8 has inferior speakers and microphone, inferior NAND, inferior SOC, inferior software, inferior finger print scanner (on the back), and inferior vibration motor.

The S8 looks good with it's nice display, but then it ends there. Let's not forget that the last time Samsung "pushed" the boundaries their phones exploded.

Apple can't take those kinds of risks because they're Apple. Can you imagine if Apple had to discontinue an iPhone due to explosions? It would be catastrophic.

When looking as the phone at a whole, the iPhone 7 is the best phone available at this time.

Yeah, it's fun to look back at the April 2010 threads on the leaked iPhone 4, such as this one.

Common comments in such threads were:
  • Ugly!
  • It looks too industrial.
  • It looks like a Zune / cheap Nokia or Samsung
  • Apple would never have asymmetric seams. Or seams at all!
And the most heard comment:
  • It doesn't look like an Apple design.

I think people hated every single iPhone design.

My favorite iPhone designs would be iPhone 5 black and slate and iPhone 7 matte black.
 
But that's just the point - there should be arguments and turmoil inside Apple - that's what made them great. In the past this was always in the person of Steve Jobs.


This is 100% on Tim. He needs to find a person or small team to replace Steve. In a company the size of Apple, I guarantee he's already got the people he needs. Unfortunately, I believe Tim's focus is distracted just enough to prevent him from ever making this happen. Tim could be the hero who saves Apple's greatness. Unfortunately, I don't think he has the guts to do it.
When Steve returned to Apple in 1997, he brought with him a small circle of loyal NeXT employees. Pretty much all of them are no longer at the company: Scott, Avie, Bertrand. Tim himself was an outsider - from Compaq - while people like Jony, Phil and Eddy were post Jobs Apple employees when he left in 85.

Nothing in life is created in harmony, the earth wasn't, birth isn't a pain free process. I agree with you, Jobs reflected that in the best work at Apple. They were painstaking. The unfortunate reality is, NeXT employee's as much as they brought a lot of software rejuvenation and innovation to Apple, were always outsiders. It was Job's clout that kept them around.

I saw Scott as successor continuing Jobs classic OCD approach to quality, but again, Ive being an original of the Apple culture versus Forstall, an original of the NeXT culture, didn't work well it seems. At least without Jobs. I hope he returns, because at the end of the day, Tim, even though Apple has been significantly more successful, remains an SCM. He has done a good job reselling the same stuff in a fancy new package since 2011, but company needs to find something that a lot of us can safely say, the DNA lives on. The Apple Watch isn't it, neither is the Wireless AirPod. In fact, these were probably in development over a decade ago.

It just seems like, Apple is doing pipe drip innovation right now.
 
What design innovations does Samsung have? Everyone is moving to bezel-free displays. Nothing special about Samsung.

Keep perpetuating that everyone copies Apple myth. http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-copied-features-2014-6

They didn't even have copy & paste for a couple of years.
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All I'll say is that actions speak louder than words.
You have Samsung copying iPhone/iOS designs for years and getting successfully sued for it, Google copying the iPhone 7 design for their flagship Pixel XL and now just a couple months ago the OnePlus 5 also ripping off the iPhone 7 design.
I think that speaks a lot louder than some disgruntled employee who no longer works at Apple. :rolleyes:

http://www.macworld.co.uk/feature/apple/11-innovations-apple-copied-from-other-companies-3622021/

How are those blinders working for you? A little tight?
 
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Apple have to add more functionality to ios. Customazible software. If i couldnt change whatsapp notification sound with my own mp3? Or google keyboard looks same like iphones? Or there is no SMS delivery report? Etc. Basic fails. I have IP7.
 
I have both iPhone 7, and for the past couple of months also the S8. I tried to keep S8 as my daily driver, but it was impossible. It has no support for Mac OS / tvOS / watch OS, and it runs Android, which frankly starts to lag and crapify in a week, unless I remember to reboot the S8 regularly, hard-reset its cache, and run system optimization ever so often – plus all the other tiresome tinkering that I'm sure the nerds that love Windows also love about Android. Top all that with apps that do not have the finesse of their iOS counterpart, and S8 was "no thank you". Stellar display, but that alone does not make up for all the negatives.

When you say something so exaggerated as above, we all know you are writing fiction :p
 
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