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He did amazing stuff with Apple, but I wouldn't take him back. What kind of management morale would there be with someone who left coming back?

Which amazing stuff ? Managing store people to the point they strike all over the world, or like they are always sued everywhere for not applying legal text in their shop ?
 
Anyway, after shopping there, I came out with the impression that JCP might need to dress their employees, hire a tailor, and launder their clothes. One of the guys working in the Athletic department looked like he had just rolled out of bed. The girl working in the suit department was dressed in blue jeans, a faded old looking pique polo, and some chunky white sketchers.

I fully concur with this. I did a double-take when I saw how poorly one of the associates was dressed when I visited a JCP store over the weekend. She was wearing blue jeans and a very dated blouse.
 
EDIT: Even the JCP Models don't know common fashion. Who on earth wears a undershirt with a polo???? The only time you should ever wear an undershirt is if it can not be seen. So ugly.

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Seriously? There are these people called stylists that dictate what the model will wear for the shoot, which is in turn based upon what stock JCP's want to sell, which is dictated by purchasing.

If JCP's is a cheap shop, they are probably not even undershirts, it might just be a patch of material sewn in place to look like an undershirt. Believe it or not, these tops actually get sold with the fake undershirt in place.
 
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Which amazing stuff ? Managing store people to the point they strike all over the world, or like they are always sued everywhere for not applying legal text in their shop ?

You are exaggerating. When did people strike "all over the world"?

Do you mean the incident in France where they when on strike on the iPhone 5 launch to get maximum leverage on their employer over "installation of water fountains, providing meal vouchers and paying a thirteenth month of salary?"

Striking in France, how unusual?

When you are big profitable company, people will sue you. It happens everyday. We just hear about the Apple suits more often...And when you are really big, groups will pick on you to make an example.

BTW, the thing in France happened under Browett ...
 
Well I wasn't expecting that. How could the man who did such great things for apple retail do so badly at jcp that he's out not long after he started? :eek:

Are you serious? Surely you see a difference between selling high end computing products and cloths? You have to give him credit though... he took a risk and tried a totally different approach to revive JCP. He went outside the retail clothing model and it just didn't work. You take risks, then sometimes they aren't going to work out. Had it worked, he'd be the hero of the decade. But it didn't.

In the end, what caused the failure, among other things, was the #%#*%!@ customers of JCP that would rather them jack the prices way up and have huge sales, vs. just selling the stuff consistently at the lower prices. I'm going to go out on a limb of being called sexist here, but seriously... only the lady customers are going to go for this model of doorbuster sales over just cutting to the right price. ;)
 
Who on earth wears a undershirt with a polo???? The only time you should ever wear an undershirt is if it can not be seen. So ugly.

I do. Don't be so judgmental and assume you have the only view on people's choices for what to wear. :cool:
 
Seriously? There are these people called stylists that dictate what the model will wear for the shoot, which is in turn based upon what stock JCP's want to sell, which is dictated by purchasing.

If JCP's is a cheap shop, they are probably not even undershirts, it might just be a patch of material sewn in place to look like an undershirt.

Still doesn't disprove my "stay away from JCP" point I'm trying to make.
 
He left Apple on his own to take over the challenge of reinvigorating JC Penny. He was fired from JC Penny as his ideas have not panned out.

Now we know why Tim Cook never replaced Bowett. He was waiting on Johnson to get the axe.

He did an incredible Job changing Target, hence Apple's interest in him. It's too bad for JC Penny, he's done some great work in the past.


He also oversaw the Michael Graves line and stuff like that too, bringing a more upscale feel to Target.The guy knows his stuff.
What if its deeper than that. Jon left cause he wanted to be a CEO.

What if Tim doesnt like his CEO role and wants to stick as the logistics man.
 
So, having been an Apple executive guarantees that MacRumors will forever follow your career, even two jobs down the road....
On the front page.
Forever.


Must be a slow day.
 
In the end, what caused the failure, among other things, was the #%#*%!@ customers of JCP that would rather them jack the prices way up and have huge sales, vs. just selling the stuff consistently at the lower prices. I'm going to go out on a limb of being called sexist here, but seriously... only the lady customers are going to go for this model of doorbuster sales over just cutting to the right price. ;)

Man customer here. Used to buy most of my clothes from Penney's

Call me crazy if you like, but i was way more apt to buy 5 or 6 pairs of panst/shorts or 5 or 6 shirts when they were on "doorbuster sale" at $6-10 bucks for shirts and $15-20 for pants rather than a "cut the right price every day" model of $24 bucks for shirts and $47 bucks for pants.

Sounds crazy, i know, but the profit margin of my clothes store is of no concern to me.
 
Where in my post did I ever say "Macy's is as good as it gets". Obviously there are even better options than Macy's but JC Penney's is just bad. The only thing they are good for is Levi's jeans.

EDIT: Even the JCP Models don't know common fashion. Who on earth wears a undershirt with a polo???? The only time you should ever wear an undershirt is if it can not be seen. So ugly.

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Looks normal to me. A little place, but about what any professional might wear on their day off.
 
The whole idea of "know your customer" has become such a cliche, and yet Ron Johnson's downfall is as simple as him not bothering to do so.
 
Well I wasn't expecting that. How could the man who did such great things for apple retail do so badly at jcp that he's out not long after he started? :eek:

Running one part of a company is WAY different than running a whole company.


Also the market and shopping experience you expect from Apple is way different than the mouth breathers who go to JCP expect.
 
I hope Samsung hires him so this forum goes thermal nuclear :)

You mean thermo-nuclear. The term thermo comes from thermodynamic principles used in a fusion reaction of hydrogen or other elements to produce a yield of millions of tonnes equivalent TNT.
 
Not being funny, but how much of Ron's success at Apple was his own genius, and how much of it was simply implementing Steve's vision?

A lot of things seem to have slipped since Jobs passed. Someone coming back to "new" Apple may achieve very different results, than they did under a leader like Steve Jobs with his ferocious attention to detail.
 
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