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Former iOS Chief Scott Forstall is Now a Broadway Producer
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While those aren't great either, at least those may have some use to a potion of the reader base.
Oh and random- someone mentioned how they said they ran out of felt and so could no longer keep the old Game Center icon. I always thought that was a wierd thing to draw attention to. The felt icon was lame, but the new abstract icon might be the worst icon ever. It communicates nothing and is completely meaningless. It's awful. Something in between could have been great. The current Game Center icon emphasizes all the negatives about iOS (I did not say it was all negative - I really like many things about it).
But people have no problem blaming Ive for every software issue or Ahrendts for the Watch roll out. As if these people make decisions in a vacuum all on their own.
I read somewhere that Forstall studied theater in high school. So Broadway might be the perfect place for him.
Ben Thompson was a guest on one of John Gruber's recent podcasts. He once interned at Apple. He told a story about how all SVPs at Apple come in and talk to the interns. He said Scott Forstall's talk really rubbed him the wrong way because Forstall gave off this vibe that he was the smartest person in the room and wanted everybody to know it. Maybe Forstall was able to keep that in check when Steve was still around but after Steve died he started to display that attitude around his peers? I still think the biggest reason he was let go is because Cook is all about collaboration and Forstall was not a good collaborator. We don't here stories about the current crop of SVPs not getting along with each other. But we have heard rumor about many of them not getting along with Forstall.
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The huge difference is that the early introduction of "maps" was forced on Forstall. He was against it and this is the reason why he refused to sign the letter of apology.
Ive is blamed for forcing his Bauhaus style flat design on all operating systems at Apple and not for the bugs in the software, plus the fashion over functionality philosophy.
Ahrendts was recruited to become SVP of retail and online stores at Apple with an emphasis on the introduction of the
Watch.
The huge difference is that the early introduction of "maps" was forced on Forstall. He was against it and this is the reason why he refused to sign the letter of apology.
Ive is blamed for forcing his Bauhaus style flat design on all operating systems at Apple and not for the bugs in the software, plus the fashion over functionality philosophy.
Ahrendts was recruited to become SVP of retail and online stores at Apple with an emphasis on the introduction of the
What's your source for this? We don't have a concrete evidence that Forstall was fired because of maps either. I personally think it was more about not getting along with his fellow SVPs than maps. If Tim Cook had to choose between Jony Ive/Bob Mansfield and Scott Forstall I think it's pretty clear who he would choose.
Agreed, his designs had lots of flavor and spirit behind them. Now we have the most boring, flat, white on off white crap I've ever seen in any technology front end. I never understood where all the hate for skeumorphism came from, and even more puzzling is why replace it with something infinitely uglier.
IMO Metro was more of an attempt to provide a simple tablet interface alongside the desktop, hence the reason they kept the desktop, otherwise they wouldn't have kept the desktop. IMO Metro was VERY successful at handling tablet tasks with the notable exception of not having folders or nesting in the start menu itself. The entire notion of using tiles on the desktop came from ignorance, that lack of a little bit of common sense that would tell a person to just switch to desktop mode when on a desktop.
The Maps fiasco was not his fault as several reports have shown us. He told Tim it just wasn't ready, Tim didn't care. Apple Maps gets released broken, Tim blames Forstall and demands a public apology from him, Forstall doesn't comply because it wasn't his fault, Tim Cook offers a public apology and fires Forstall.
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You know Steve loved Forstall, maybe he loved Ive a little more, i don't know. And if leaks are to be believed no one liked Forstall just because he wasn't a nice person, nobody dared to question his work though. Also, according to the leaks, Tim demanded a public apology from Forstall wich he refused because he warned Tim about the Apple Maps situation, Tim didn't listen and released Apple Maps broken.
haha!
We must remember a Producer in the Broadway market is merely an investor. They have quite little creative power. So he probably wrote a cheque for $100,000 - went to some rehearsals to feel "arty" and then hopes to enjoy any profits the show will make.
I'd like to see him produce JOBS: The Musical, with music and lyrics by Randy Newman.
Featuring such songs as:
"What's NEXT?"
"The Apple of my 'i'"
"Steve and Steve"
"There's no jobs for you here"
"Boom"
and the finale...
"One More Thing"
We must remember a Producer in the Broadway market is merely an investor. They have quite little creative power. So he probably wrote a cheque for $100,000 - went to some rehearsals to feel "arty" and then hopes to enjoy any profits the show will make.
I'd like to see him produce JOBS: The Musical, with music and lyrics by Randy Newman.
Featuring such songs as:
"What's NEXT?"
"The Apple of my 'i'"
"Steve and Steve"
"There's no jobs for you here"
"Boom"
and the finale...
"One More Thing"
So we're supposed to believe Tim Cook didn't care that maps wasn't ready when Apple announced it yet he put out a public apology with his name attached to it that was actually quite embarrassing for Apple. If it wasn't ready, why did Forstall get up on stage and do a flawless demo of the application? Did Tim Cook force him to do that too? I'd love to know your source for this because the story I read (in the WSJ I believe) was that Forstall refused to apologize because he didn't think it warranted an apology, using "antenna gate" as an example of a storm Apple weathered without needing to apologize. Anyway I still don't think that was the reason he was let go. If Cook wanted tighter integration between hardware, software and services (and tighter integration between iOS and OS X) it didn't make sense to have two software SVPs. And if there is any truth to the rumors that Forstall didn't get along with his peers then it's not surprising he was asked to leave. Honestly I think the headline of the re-org announcement gives us the biggest clue as to why Forstall was let go:
Apple Announces Changes to Increase Collaboration Across Hardware, Software & Services
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Because of fugly stuff like this (one of the last new designs out of Forstall's shop):
There were complaints about iOS getting stale (The Verge ran a piece called 'it's always 73 and sunny in Cupertino') and some of the chrome was over the top. I think iOS 7 went too far in the other direction and I'm hoping the dark interface of the Watch eventually comes to iOS as a dark theme option. Also I think some of the IBM/Apple designed apps are very nice so for me it's about iOS first party apps needing more work/attention than the design direction overall being bad.
To be clear, I don't hate the old skeumorphic look of iOS 6, but I have come to prefer iOS 7 more. iOS 7 definitely looks cleaner to me, and given a choice between the two, I will pick iOS 7 any time of the day.
I hated some of the older iOS/OSX designs ( I hated that fake shreded paper in OSX's Calendar so much I had to hack it and change it to a simple color tone), but I also found iOS 7 went way too far, so flat it makes it hard to distinguish elements. There's very litle sense on priority between items.
I hope they'll find a balance somewhere in between for the next versions.
I hope they'll find a balance somewhere in between for the next versions.
How did they? Video link?
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This make me like him a little more now. Thats super cool!
I never really had a problem with the skeuomorphisms. I have grown to like the current UI now, but I def had a problem with its color palette when it first came out.
Sort of jumped on the Forstall-bashing bandwagon because everyone was portraying him as the evil that ruined Apple. Anyway, this is cool what he's going now. Don't judge a book by its rumors i guess.
I still don't think he was fired because of maps but maybe it was the last straw after he refused to sign an apology letter. In that December 2012 Bloomberg interview Tim Cook said he had no time for "politics". I took that as a sign that perhaps Forstall was too political inside Apple and Cook was finally ready to assert himself as CEO and deal with it.
If driving and managing an incredibly successful and innovative OS actively used on a billion devices, then booted out after years of huge successes is "fallen", I'd love to fall in the same manner.
Because of fugly stuff like this (one of the last new designs out of Forstall's shop):
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There were complaints about iOS getting stale (The Verge ran a piece called 'it's always 73 and sunny in Cupertino') and some of the chrome was over the top. I think iOS 7 went too far in the other direction and I'm hoping the dark interface of the Watch eventually comes to iOS as a dark theme option. Also I think some of the IBM/Apple designed apps are very nice so for me it's about iOS first party apps needing more work/attention than the design direction overall being bad.
That dark theme is MUCH nicer looking that the awful white ones below it. I just think Apple went so far downhill in terms of aesthetics after forstall was outed.
Well put. That's what exactly happened. Plus the power struggle within Apple after S.J.
Rogifan, how much Cook cares about the present fiasco of
Watch introduction? Is not it embarrasing for Apple as well?