Yeah being reminded every time I open spotify to skip a track to turn off airplane mode even though I'm on an airplane. Over and over and over.
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Former iOS Chief Scott Forstall is Now a Broadway Producer
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Yeah being reminded every time I open spotify to skip a track to turn off airplane mode even though I'm on an airplane. Over and over and over.
He didn't have a choice to stay with Apple.
And what does Samsung have to do with anything. Are you trying to suggest that Forstall works for Samsung now?
Unfortunately, he could not survive w/o his longtime mentor and friend.
I guess what was meant is that Samsung plays music because Forstall is not with Apple anymore.
I have no idea what his comment means because it's meaningless. It's either a sarcastic jab at Forstall, an odd assertion that Forstall works at Samsung so he made the launches more musical (the poster was referring to theatrical, not just music), or something completely different.
None of the reasoning makes sense. Samsung has nothing to do with Forstall and his decision to back a musical on Broadway.
It was just a blind guess.
Nevertheless it does not change the fact that Forstall - unfortunately - is no longer with Apple.
This thread is quite unpleasant. Most of what people know about this chap are rumours. He was the father of iOS, and he might have been a bit slow adapting to a new look, but ridiculing someone because of a career change is just vile. I don't think he is in need of money in a desperate way, so I think it is fair to assume that he did something he always wanted to do. If anything it shows his loyalty to his former employer. He knows much more about Apple than most people, he could have made a fortune with other companies. I am not wishing him back at Apple, but I hope he is enjoying what he is doing now, and I hope it is a success.
Yup and perhaps he is looking for a big tax write off when the show doesn't even run a month. When you have liquid assets like this, it is fun to just throw it out and get returns in different ways.
One client of mine was one of the first to drop $200,000 for a Virgin spaceflight. He told me it would be years before they would be ready to fly. However, Branson has thrown dozens of Future Astronaut parties and gatherings. There was one up in San Francisco just over Christmas time full of a few hundred who dropped the big dime for the flight. He told me just the networking alone from who he is meeting makes that $200,000 money well spent.
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While you may have though of this as a joke. The London theater community has been all over him to finance a play. So far, Sir Ive has looked the other way as he know the **** storm there is of play financing in London going all the way back to when Shakespeare had a pint just outside The Globe while arguing with his patrons.
I hold no animosity towards Scott Forstall, and I do sincerely wish him all the best in his future endeavours.
That said, I am not sorry that he had to leave Apple. I am sorry, but iOS 6 was just horrible. The sole marquee feature, Maps, stank. There were no significant new features outside of this. The only reason why iOS 6 was so stable was because it brought practically nothing new to the table, while serving to slow down the iPhone 4.
I will forever see iOS 6 as Apple's lost year. Scott was probably aware that his team was over-tasked and could not keep to the deadlines, but refused to get help. The end result was a lacklustre offering which just paled in comparison to the scale of the changes offered in iOS 7 (a massive revamp of the design) and iOS 8 (extensions, widgets, handoff, continuity).
I see many people here claiming that they still prefer the ios6 look. Well personally, I like the new look and direction of iOS 7, and I have no desire to go back.
That said, I am not sorry that he had to leave Apple. I am sorry, but iOS 6 was just horrible. The sole marquee feature, Maps, stank. There were no significant new features outside of this. The only reason why iOS 6 was so stable was because it brought practically nothing new to the table, while serving to slow down the iPhone 4.
I will forever see iOS 6 as Apple's lost year. Scott was probably aware that his team was over-tasked and could not keep to the deadlines, but refused to get help. The end result was a lacklustre offering which just paled in comparison to the scale of the changes offered in iOS 7 (a massive revamp of the design) and iOS 8 (extensions, widgets, handoff, continuity).
I see many people here claiming that they still prefer the ios6 look. Well personally, I like the new look and direction of iOS 7, and I have no desire to go back.
To call Scott the father of the iOS is to ignore the people that has less social skills and probably better coding skills that worked for Scott. Going all the way to his NeXT days, Scott has kept a tight circle of software developers around him and didn't even give interviews to some who he felt were too much of a threat to his position. Steve was on the marketing end and Scott signed off on the golden master of NeXTstep.
The move into back Apple was a bloodbath with OS 9 engineers who memorized the 68K assembly sent to the curb under Scott's recommendations. From that, NeXTstep became OS X and that famous WWDC launch of OS 9 placed in a coffin commenced. Some say that whole pantomime was partly Scott's idea. Keep wondering how Scott ended up financing on Broadway. Did he find the Hollywood game too tough for him?
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The neo-minimalist style that is iOS 7 / 8 has been quite successful. Even Microsoft ripped it off into their Windows 8 and soon Windows 10. One thing I find funny is when you hire a hot shot graphic designer and they deliver a very workable minimalist design to a client. Then the client sees the bill and goes "I paid that much just for lines and colored rectangles?" Without seeing the process that it takes to get there.
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That is your opinion. Whenever I saw him smile at an Apple demo, kept on thinking of the Chester Cat and what was really going on in his mind.
Maybe I'm just not willing to put all the blame on Forstall for Maps and other things.
Why? Because he didn't operate in a silo. Ultimately, the choice to release Maps the way it was, etc wasn't his - it was the CEO. And that's not to say I blame Tim Cook either - but a the same time, the buck stops with him. Yes he relies on the talent at his company, but it's not like Maps was an "unknown" or low profile project that could have gone unnoticed.
I am sure many would not agree with me. There's plenty of "blame" to go around Apple for Maps. Forstall shouldn't be the sole attributor.
Why? Because he didn't operate in a silo. Ultimately, the choice to release Maps the way it was, etc wasn't his - it was the CEO. And that's not to say I blame Tim Cook either - but a the same time, the buck stops with him. Yes he relies on the talent at his company, but it's not like Maps was an "unknown" or low profile project that could have gone unnoticed.
I am sure many would not agree with me. There's plenty of "blame" to go around Apple for Maps. Forstall shouldn't be the sole attributor.
Are you referring to Craig's comments about Apple running out of felt for the Game Centre design? I don't think that was a shot at Mr. Forstall.
Anyways Forstall was apparently a bit of an ass when he was at Apple, which is one of the reasons they fired him. Not many guys liked the guy apparently.
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Whatever happened at Apple with iOS6 is past. This thread is really unpleasant because it shows off a side of Apple die-hards that I always find repellent: the total snobbery. All the snide comments about Forstall investing in something as low-brow as Broadway. From the tone of some of these comments, you'd think every MR member spent their days playing polo with HRH while checking out the gazillions of bucks they have in their hedge funds. Seriously, get over yourselves. If Forstall wants to dabble in something like Broadway, good for him.
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Cars change from curved to boxy to curved model after model.
Apple could easily change from flat to skew to flat to skewomorphic. I suggest it.
Forstall had his impact as did Johnson. I suspect they are not coming back, but the principals they proffered may still have a place at Apple thanks to Apple U which strives to apply logic and reason to history and experience.
Apple could easily change from flat to skew to flat to skewomorphic. I suggest it.
Forstall had his impact as did Johnson. I suspect they are not coming back, but the principals they proffered may still have a place at Apple thanks to Apple U which strives to apply logic and reason to history and experience.
Didn't Microsoft go down the path of Metro design before iOS (and subsequently OS X) redesign?
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There's definitely that. Plus Maps mostly has had issues because of data not really because of functionality. Not sure if Forstall was responsible for both, the application, and the data that powered it, but given something like Maps where data is a huge and essentially separate undertaking it seems that the problems are there and not really wth iOS or the Maps app itself.
The whole minimalist UI trend can be found way back in the mid to late 90's from the MIT Media Lab and other UI research facilities. Even back then the technology forecasters saw a trend to manufacture very big, very flat, self illuminated displays as we have now with LCD TVs. From that, their big question was how does one manage such a huge display? It is so big, you are not just flipping channels. They knew the desktop window UI from PARC would migrate to television in some manner.
From that, many, many Ph. D. dissertations played around with tile interfaces where they did not overlap but had various sizes based on importance. Who determined that importance is a marketing tug-of-war. I remember seeing many demo's at SigGraph and other shows with multiple television channels shown on a screen and even alpha blending of an incoming message or video conference while the background video continued streaming.
From this, Microsoft dropped big dimes at the Big Five technology research universities (Standford, Berkeley, CMU, Cal Tech and Georgia Tech) to drum up the next big UI. The tile interface won out but here is the real screw up -- most of these colleges advised using tile interface with large displays at around five to fifteen feet from the user. It was never intended to be a desktop UI!
Microsoft in their corporate illogic shipped Windows 8 with the tile interface on desktops hoping it would re-educate the users to use Microsoft television. That sank and there is a cottage industry of developers re-inventing the start menu on Windows 8 to purge Metro.
Very curious to see how compromised Metro / tiles will be for the Windows 10 launch.
For those how think thats lame, Ill just remind you that Steve Jobs created Pixar, you know, one of the biggest animated movie producers in the world.
I think Forstall was great talent but obiously he made big mistake saying to Cook that Apple Maps was ready for shipping when it was years from completion. I happy that he found new ways to show the world hsi creativity, and I think he has plently.
I think Forstall was great talent but obiously he made big mistake saying to Cook that Apple Maps was ready for shipping when it was years from completion. I happy that he found new ways to show the world hsi creativity, and I think he has plently.
Where's the joke in it? It's not remotely funny? I have a great sense of humor. But this thread is riddled with a lot of "hatred" for a person most don't even really know.
I find it rather bizarre. The "joke" also fails as a joke because like so many other threads - it just throws Samsung into a conversation that isn't remotely related. Some posters here sure are insecure about their devices if they feel the need to constantly mention the "competition" in unrelated threads.
a great show
I saw it off-Broadway at the Public. A great show. I can't believe it is going to broadway <spoiler alert> homosexuality and suicide, not exactly mainstream theater </spoiler alert>
Anyhow, lots of people with money to lose are putting it in theater. Why not? Better than a golf cottage in Maui
I saw it off-Broadway at the Public. A great show. I can't believe it is going to broadway <spoiler alert> homosexuality and suicide, not exactly mainstream theater </spoiler alert>
Anyhow, lots of people with money to lose are putting it in theater. Why not? Better than a golf cottage in Maui
Its sad and shocking that most people only know him for Skeuomorphism and poor Maps. But he was the lead programmer and engineer who helped build the Macintosh X. He only made the most superior UI framework called Cocoa which makes Mac apps look and animate beautifully which stands out compared to other OS. He is the reason your iOS was so flawless. The entire concept of App store submission itself is something unique to the industry blocking all private apis making him the most knowledgeable person in computer industry. Scott Forstall is for Apple what Dave Cutler is to Microsoft.
Steve in D9 interview was asked "What was your job at Apple?" Steve replied "I go every day to meet these brilliant minds i can't argue with" which i think he was mentioning Scott Forstall for his stubbornness.
Steve in D9 interview was asked "What was your job at Apple?" Steve replied "I go every day to meet these brilliant minds i can't argue with" which i think he was mentioning Scott Forstall for his stubbornness.
So basically Microsoft didn't rip it off from iOS.
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Or he knew Maps weren't ready and probably along with others knew that that would be the case early on given that Apple simply didn't have the backend data for it, but decisions were made to go out anyway so as not to delay an iOS release since Apple needed to have one with a new iPhone launching which they wouldn't want to delay either. Money (in the form of deadlines and so forth) spoke over quality, as it often does in many places unfortunately.
I mostly agree with this. Cook has no aesthetic sense at all. And Apple has veered way to far in the fashion over function.
The watch will not be the next iPhone or iPad but it will not lose money. It will be more like the Apple TV, a hobby that they neglect while the competition passes them by.