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Funny how some people were saying no one here even plays Fortnite, yet they are posting one star reviews proudly.

Gosh it's so petty, but those people learned from the best I guess
You don’t have to play it to post bad reviews… I hope everyone gives it 1 star and no one plays it!

I want to see epic go up in flames and leave no survivors!
 
Lets see is Epic drops the pettiness now and resume dev on macOS too
 
Man there are gonna be some really salty Apple folks here. I’m glad it’s back. Both apple and epic looked bad here, but Apple far worse.
I don't know about that...Apple had a policy that ALL dev accounts must agree to. Epic thought they were above that. It's bad PR for both but Epic were the ones kicking and screaming for having to follow rules
 
Honestly though, hasn’t Fortnite peaked? I mean is it still the powerhouse game it was or has it faded? I honestly don’t know. What I do know is that my Gamer friends never talk about it, one actively hates it, and it really only gets talked about in these articles about the lawsuit

So I ask again, how popular is it really?
Well, it made it to the #1 spot in less than 24 hours…so it must be pretty popular! Or is that from all the petty people downloading the app just to give it a bad rating?

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Arbitrary distinction.

At what price does the rules suddenly change? You seem to be making up rules along the way.




LOL actually Nintendo has prevented remasters of Goldeneye from being a thing on other consoles https://nintendoeverything.com/nint...oposed-goldeneye-007-remaster-from-nightdive/

Here's a leaked version ON XBOX that was canned because of nintendo blocking it.


"And then Nintendo was like, ‘yeah, no third party’s ever going to touch any Nintendo stuff, ever’.”

Crap analogy, no.

Nintendo blocked their own game from playing on other consoles, NOT the console makers.

Apple blocks Severance from streaming on Netflix, NOT Netflix.

Apple blocked Epic from from being on Apple's app store where many other non Apple apps and services are.....simply out of greed, control issues, and lack of respect and courtesy to the loyal consumer who keeps them in business.
 
You don’t have to play it to post bad reviews… I hope everyone gives it 1 star and no one plays it!

I want to see epic go up in flames and leave no survivors!
I've never played Fortnite or any games by Epic, nor do I play video games at all. Downloaded it, deleted it, and gave it a 5-star.
Love it!🤣🤣🤣
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Apple are not going to ban epic again or remove them as it would serve no purpose or benefit
Everything depends upon the results of the appeals.

If Apple's appeals fail, what we are seeing now becomes the new status quo and the story basically ends here. Epic wins. Apple could possibly raise hardware and/or developer account prices in response, but there's just nothing meaningful that they can do about it, once the appeals have run out.

If Apple's appeals succeed, the popcorn continues to flow and the story goes on for awhile longer. For starters, I believe we should indeed expect Apple to revoke Epic Sweden's ability to publish to the US App Store, as Apple will view any profits made by Epic (and/or their Swedish subsidiary) which did not include a payout to Apple as ill-gotten-earnings. In line with that, we can also expect a countersuit from Apple for recompence from Epic against those earnings.

Keep in mind of course that both companies are multi-billion-dollar juggernauts in their respective realms of influence, and that the earnings that Epic stands to gain from Fortnite returning to Apple's platforms will continue to be dwarfed by their earnings on other platforms: whatever amount Apple claims against Epic will likely seem absolutely staggering to us mere onlookers, but it'll still be effectively pocket change to the two of them. What's more, if it starts to look like Apple is going to ultimately win... Epic will absolutely settle out of court as quietly as possible, and the terms of that settlement will never see the light of day.

In the final analysis? Either way, Fortnite will almost certainly be back on the App Store, at the end. So is it worth it? Or does it, as you assert, simply serve no purpose?

To which, I will reiterate: as I've stated before, this is a battle between two juggernauts over minor annoyances introduced by the other, wherein each perceives the other's business model as adversely affecting their own business model... and neither cares in the least about who else gets hurt while their battle rages. It's just Randolph and Mortimer all over again -- except that, unfortunately, I'm pretty sure that Murphy's and Aykroyd's titular characters were left out of the story, this time around. More's the pity.
 
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Everything depends upon the results of the appeals.

If Apple's appeals fail, what we are seeing now becomes the new status quo and the story basically ends here. Epic wins. Apple could possibly raise hardware and/or developer account prices in response, but there's just nothing meaningful that they can do about it, once the appeals have run out.

If Apple's appeals succeed, the popcorn continues to flow and the story goes on for awhile longer. For starters, I believe we should indeed expect Apple to revoke Epic Sweden's ability to publish to the US App Store, as Apple will view any profits made by Epic (and/or their Swedish subsidiary) which did not include a payout to Apple as ill-gotten-earnings. In line with that, we can also expect a countersuit from Apple for recompence from Epic against those earnings.

Keep in mind of course that both companies are multi-billion-dollar juggernauts in their respective realms of influence, and that the earnings that Epic stands to gain from Fortnite returning to Apple's platforms will continue to be dwarfed by their earnings on other platforms: whatever amount Apple claims against Epic will likely seem absolutely staggering to us mere onlookers, but it'll still be effectively pocket change to the two of them. What's more, if it starts to look like Apple is going to ultimately win... Epic will absolutely settle out of court as quietly as possible, and the terms of that settlement will never see the light of day.

In the final analysis? Either way, Fortnite will almost certainly be back on the App Store, at the end. So is it worth it? Or does it, as you assert, simply serve no purpose?

To which, I will reiterate: as I've stated before, this is a battle between two juggernauts over minor annoyances introduced by the other, wherein each perceives the other's business model as adversely affecting their own business model... and neither cares in the least about who else gets hurt while their battle rages. It's just Randolph and Mortimer all over again -- except that, unfortunately, I'm pretty sure that Murphy's and Aykroyd's titular characters were left out of the story, this time around. More's the pity.

The ruling requiring Apple to allow links out of the App Store was appealed to the Supreme Court, which they declined to review last year. That part stands with no additional appeals possible.

"The decision lets stand a 2023 appeals court ruling that found Apple’s business model didn’t violate antitrust laws, but that it did violate California’s Unfair Competition Law by limiting the developers ability to communicate about alternate payment systems that may cost less. The decision applies nationally and the iPhone maker must start letting developers tell users about cheaper payment options."

 
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Everything depends upon the results of the appeals.

If Apple's appeals fail, what we are seeing now becomes the new status quo and the story basically ends here. Epic wins. Apple could possibly raise hardware and/or developer account prices in response, but there's just nothing meaningful that they can do about it, once the appeals have run out.

If Apple's appeals succeed, the popcorn continues to flow and the story goes on for awhile longer. For starters, I believe we should indeed expect Apple to revoke Epic Sweden's ability to publish to the US App Store, as Apple will view any profits made by Epic (and/or their Swedish subsidiary) which did not include a payout to Apple as ill-gotten-earnings. In line with that, we can also expect a countersuit from Apple for recompence from Epic against those earnings.

Keep in mind of course that both companies are multi-billion-dollar juggernauts in their respective realms of influence, and that the earnings that Epic stands to gain from Fortnite returning to Apple's platforms will continue to be dwarfed by their earnings on other platforms: whatever amount Apple claims against Epic will likely seem absolutely staggering to us mere onlookers, but it'll still be effectively pocket change to the two of them. What's more, if it starts to look like Apple is going to ultimately win... Epic will absolutely settle out of court as quietly as possible, and the terms of that settlement will never see the light of day.

In the final analysis? Either way, Fortnite will almost certainly be back on the App Store, at the end. So is it worth it? Or does it, as you assert, simply serve no purpose?

To which, I will reiterate: as I've stated before, this is a battle between two juggernauts over minor annoyances introduced by the other, wherein each perceives the other's business model as adversely affecting their own business model... and neither cares in the least about who else gets hurt while their battle rages. It's just Randolph and Mortimer all over again -- except that, unfortunately, I'm pretty sure that Murphy's and Aykroyd's titular characters were left out of the story, this time around. More's the pity.
Because of this as epic are back on the USA iOS App Store it has removed that apple are a bully.
If Apple are successful in there appeal then more than likely either epic just suck it up or they will likely remove Fortnite from the USA iOS App Store
 
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Because of this as epic are back on the USA iOS App Store it has removed that apple are a bully.
If Apple are successful in there appeal then more than likely either epic just suck it up or they will likely remove Fortnite from the USA iOS App Store
Apple won't win their appeal. There is no way a judge will reverse it now that so many companies have taken up the option of external links. Apple should drop the 30% down to 15% for everyone to keep as many devs as possible.
 
Nintendo blocked their own game from playing on other consoles, NOT the console makers.

microsoft owns the code and assets because they bought rare
anyways

plenty of reports of nintendo blocking inappropriate games

and you seemed to forget your argument about "but the consumers overwhelmingly want XYZ"

consumers overwhelmingly want content from the platform they currently have access to
 
Honestly though, hasn’t Fortnite peaked? I mean is it still the powerhouse game it was or has it faded? I honestly don’t know. What I do know is that my Gamer friends never talk about it, one actively hates it, and it really only gets talked about in these articles about the lawsuit

So I ask again, how popular is it really?
Curious as well, who still wants to play this?
 
The ruling requiring Apple to allow links out of the App Store was appealed to the Supreme Court, which they declined to review last year. That part stands with no additional appeals possible.
I'm not suggesting that Apple would contest that. I'm suggesting that Apple would contest Epic's ability to publish a profitable app to the US App Store, when Apple had previously been ruled to have the right to not do business with Epic, due to their previously breaking contract.

It's a sticky wicket, certainly, but my point is simply that we can reasonably assume that Apple still plans on getting some further recompence from Epic, if they have any chance at all of doing so.
 
There is no law that said epic should be allowed on the USA iOS app store
Instead of saying epic bad
Then maybe the question should be why did apple put them back on
There's no law that says ANY app should be allowed on the US App Store. But there are. So when you say 1 in 100,000 can't sell on your store for no legal reason, that's, well...illegal.
 
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I'm not suggesting that Apple would contest that. I'm suggesting that Apple would contest Epic's ability to publish a profitable app to the US App Store, when Apple had previously been ruled to have the right to not do business with Epic, due to their previously breaking contract.

It's a sticky wicket, certainly, but my point is simply that we can reasonably assume that Apple still plans on getting some further recompence from Epic, if they have any chance at all of doing so.

Apple still isn't doing business with Epic USA. Fortnite on the US App Store was posted by Epic Games Sweden; technically, a different company.
 
The ruling requiring Apple to allow links out of the App Store was appealed to the Supreme Court, which they declined to review last year. That part stands with no additional appeals possible.

"The decision lets stand a 2023 appeals court ruling that found Apple’s business model didn’t violate antitrust laws, but that it did violate California’s Unfair Competition Law by limiting the developers ability to communicate about alternate payment systems that may cost less. The decision applies nationally and the iPhone maker must start letting developers tell users about cheaper payment options."

I suggest you read Apple's motion for an injunction. There are outstanding issues that were not covered by the initial appeal (because they occurred after that happened). I'm not saying it's a slam dunk, or even likely to happen, but there is precedent for overturning that part of the judge's order based on facts that have since come to light (mainly, the judge being incorrect in her interpretation of California law).

The appeals court could also say "Apple gets to set a "reasonable" commission for link outs " - do we really think Epic will stay in the store if the commission is set at 15%?
 
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Does this finally mean that we'll never have to see anything about Epic Games on Macrumors?

Maybe a God does exist.
 
this doesn't make sense.

a company owns a distribution method and can dictate the distribution rules. if another company doesn't like that distribution method, they should not use that distribution method
This is why all of this actually happened.

Epic (and a lot of other developers and companies) didn't like the distribution method. Apple prevented them from making another distribution method. The EU took them to court and they lost massively so we have fixed the problem here in the EU and have alternative distribution methods.

This wasn't rolled out (yet) in the US so the problem remained. So if they were not allowed to create an alternative distribution method, they forced themselves back in by proving this is anti-competitive and yet again they won.

There is no coming back from this though. The floodgates are open and if Apple finds a way to go back to the old way (which I doubt very much) a lot of other developers will revolt. They also have customer data now too so they can do business with customers directly anyway if they want, which was actually the whole point of all these lawsuits everywhere.

You can come up with as many cute analogies as you like. The fact remains that Apple lost almost all their cases in the EU, UK, US, the Netherlands, South Korea and Japan. And this will not change, especially now that they have put their non compliance in the spotlight for all to see lately. It wouldn't have come this far if they found middle ground. But they refused everything, which has cost them a lot more in end by their own stubborn stupidity.
 
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