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Fortnite Returns to U.S. App Store

Born2Run said:
You don’t have to play it to post bad reviews… I hope everyone gives it 1 star and no one plays it!

I want to see epic go up in flames and leave no survivors!
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Apple: App store is the best way to distribute your apps!

You: Proceed to give the court more evidence that Apple mismanages the App store by ignoring review bombers, so no one can even trust the ratings on the App store.

I don't know how much Apple deserves to take, 30,20,10%? But like the court has said, you either: 1.Open up the whole ecosystem so everyone including Apple needs to compete and let the price settle, or 2.Produce a bottom up research/analysis on how much value Apple is actually providing to apps.

The truth is Apple did neither, for YEARS, it's all there in the court documents
 
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I wonder it's back because the iOS App Store will have significant changes with iOS 19 worldwide to comply with the EU Digital Markets Act. This means supporting multiple app stores in the App Store app and third-party access to the NFC contactless payment system.
 
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Is this epic Sweden not epic US?
I don’t think the article makes that clear.

I’m not entirely surprised. Cook after all is a pragmatist and Apple dropped the ball by not complying to one of the judges rulings. Which could create serious legal issues for Apple and its staff.

However, this is an interesting situation that the law in the USA is going to have to clarify. The issue isn’t about the link out anymore. Apple has allowed that stuff already.

The issue is can a judge force you to do business with an entity that has blatantly broken your contract with them?
It seems the judge has persuaded Apple to “blur” this and not directed them (if it is Epic USA?) to find a solution.

But if this was actually forced by the judge in a legal fashion then that’s a huge precedent to put down in any legal system.

I think the judge has wriggled her way out of it. I think if Jobs was on this it would have gone all the way. He would have loved to see the fireworks here. Whether good or bad for Apple.
 
threesixty360 said:
Is this epic Sweden not epic US?
I don’t think the article makes that clear.

I’m not entirely surprised. Cook after all is a pragmatist and Apple dropped the ball by not complying to one of the judges rulings. Which could create serious legal issues for Apple and its staff.

However, this is an interesting situation that the law in the USA is going to have to clarify. The issue isn’t about the link out anymore. Apple has allowed that stuff already.

The issue is can a judge force you to do business with an entity that has blatantly broken your contract with them?
It seems the judge has persuaded Apple to “blur” this and not directed them (if it is Epic USA?) to find a solution.

But if this was actually forced by the judge in a legal fashion then that’s a huge precedent to put down in any legal system.

I think the judge has wriggled her way out of it. I think if Jobs was on this it would have gone all the way. He would have loved to see the fireworks here. Whether good or bad for Apple.
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Epic Sweden.

It was not forced. Apple and Epic jointly said we can settle the issue between ourselves, and they did. Apple's appeals are still in progress, though.
 
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SactoGuy18 said:
I wonder it's back because the iOS App Store will have significant changes with iOS 19 worldwide to comply with the EU Digital Markets Act. This means supporting multiple app stores in the App Store app and third-party access to the NFC contactless payment system.
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The changes won't be worldwide, just in the EU.
 
WarmWinterHat said:
Epic Sweden.

It was not forced. Apple and Epic jointly said we can settle the issue between ourselves, and they did. Apple's appeals are still in progress, though.
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I mean, it kinda was forced. Any lawyer will tell you if a judge is telling a major company "if this hearing happens, the executive in charge needs to come in person and explain" is a judge who has already made up her mind about how she's going to rule barring significant and ironclad legal reasoning she hadn't considered.

Also, Epic Sweden is only on the App Store because the EU forced Apple to let them on.
 
surferfb said:
I mean, it kinda was forced. Any lawyer will tell you if a judge is telling a major company "if this hearing happens, the executive in charge needs to come in person and explain" is a judge who has already made up her mind about how she's going to rule barring significant and ironclad legal reasoning she hadn't considered.

Also, Epic Sweden is only on the App Store because the EU forced Apple to let them on.
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If Apple had a good reason, they would have shown up and explained, but they don't, and they knew it.

Plus, they really don't want another c-suite under oath fouling things up again.
 
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WarmWinterHat said:
If Apple had a good reason, they would have shown up and explained, but they don't, and they knew it.

Plus, they really don't want another c-suite under oath fouling things up again.
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Agree 100% My only point was, if Apple had its way Epic Sweden wouldn't be on the store and neither would Fortnite, so I'd argue they are absolutely being forced to. But it's really just semantics.
 
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And despite all the criticism of Apple, their website has it front and center, proud to be on the platform so they can milk more money from kids. Good job, Tim Swindler.
 
Chaos215bar2 said:
If you ever think for a moment the Apple fanboys aren't out in force here, look no further than the closest article on Fortnight. It's kind of crazy how many people act like it's a good thing that a trillion dollar company gets final say over how you spend your money on a phone you already very possibly paid upwards of $1000 for.
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All things people knew about when they purchased the iPhone. The rules are practically the same since inception. The fee to Apple has gotten lower, not increased. So there shouldn't be any issues at all really. And there is an issue. The courts would have been the right place to go to argue it, not in public and NOT by breaking the rules. Which resulted in the game being removed for everyone.

The final say is how you spend your money specifically on Apple's platform. If you or anyone doesn't like how it's chopped and or divided up. You nor anyone else has to purchase the device.
 
fromgophonetoiphone said:
30% is ridiculous for being a middleman collecting cash. It was a new and novel idea in 2008 but by some point made less sense.

I agree some overhead is needed, probably bigger than the 3% a credit card company takes, but 30% is egregious. The reduction for subscriptions is nowhere near enough also as 15% is still a ripoff.

It was easy money for Apple/Google and now they're getting called out for it.
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Epic stated themselves in court that what they receive from the Epic Games Store doesn’t give them a profit even after 5 years. So maybe 30% isn’t so bad after all.
 
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So…. Is Epic going to allow those who were left out of the battle passes during the lockout period access to buy some of those skins? Mancake, Thor, Iron Man, Mandalorian?
 
germanbeer007 said:
this doesn't make sense.

a company owns a distribution method and can dictate the distribution rules. if another company doesn't like that distribution method, they should not use that distribution method
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If your distribution method is classified as monopolistic, the government will step in to allow fair competition.

threesixty360 said:
Is this epic Sweden not epic US?
I don’t think the article makes that clear.

I’m not entirely surprised. Cook after all is a pragmatist and Apple dropped the ball by not complying to one of the judges rulings. Which could create serious legal issues for Apple and its staff.

However, this is an interesting situation that the law in the USA is going to have to clarify. The issue isn’t about the link out anymore. Apple has allowed that stuff already.

The issue is can a judge force you to do business with an entity that has blatantly broken your contract with them?
It seems the judge has persuaded Apple to “blur” this and not directed them (if it is Epic USA?) to find a solution.

But if this was actually forced by the judge in a legal fashion then that’s a huge precedent to put down in any legal system.

I think the judge has wriggled her way out of it. I think if Jobs was on this it would have gone all the way. He would have loved to see the fireworks here. Whether good or bad for Apple.
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Yes, the judge can and should intervene.

Let's say you are a small startup that has a good idea for an app. Apple see the app, block indefinitely the app from being approved until it's copied. Sounds funny?

Apple has a dominant position, position that can be abused in unlawful ways; like completely preventing a service to compete.

If apple just allowed alternative markets (with no notarization) they could say that THERE IS competition and they provide a better service compared to the alternative market. But this way they are going out of the way to strangle anything they do not like.

Case in point, porn applications.
The rest of the world is not as prude as the US, if pornography is legal, why a device bought for >1000€$ should not be able to install a porn game? Has the morality of a company more rights then mine?
 
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Just curious, after all of this, did Epic even drop their prices for in-app purchases since they can do it outside of the App Store? Seems like they are the same prices as they were previously. Feels like they just chose to ride the “blame apple” bandwagon for their pricing strategy…
 

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Apple should have required Epic to update the Infinity Blade games and make them available on the App Store as a condition for adding Fortnite back. :)
 
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Lol still not available in the UK, I’m seeing the same reported from other people also outside USA and EU stores
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