Wonder if they've beefed up the suicide prevention nets. After all, shaving off an extra MM and adding an extra gig of RAM to upgrade from last years model is a priority.
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I'm calling BS on this rumor. I think Apple's trying to create as much PR buzz as possible for a otherwise DOA phone.
[doublepost=1463528827][/doublepost]The thing I've never understood about an iPhone 7 with the rumored same iphone 6/6S design is that I would think Apple could cannibalize sales for most consumers who don't care about feature specs and are only drawn to cost. If presumably all three phones look mostly identical, wouldn't Apple risk consumers opting for the cheaper priced 6 or 6S over the new 7?
[doublepost=1463528827][/doublepost]The thing I've never understood about an iPhone 7 with the rumored same iphone 6/6S design is that I would think Apple could cannibalize sales for most consumers who don't care about feature specs and are only drawn to cost. If presumably all three phones look mostly identical, wouldn't Apple risk consumers opting for the cheaper priced 6 or 6S over the new 7?
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Anybody at all think maybe, just maybe - all this "2017" iPhone hype, might be about this years phone? I mean I don't recall situations in which more rumors were available about an Apple product that would be coming out in two years vs the one less than a year away. Maybe I'm just being hopeful. But is it not possible?
Complex as the new iPhones will be 5x more slippery and thus take longer to assemble without dropping.
It could be, the only reason to think otherwise has been because the most reliable Apple analyst Ming-Cho released a note saying that those features were for next years iPhone. Also next year will be the 10th year anniversary of the iPhone and it's more likely that Apple would want to do something special for it. But you are right, at this stage we don't know anything really, these leaks could be coming out on purpose in order to try and confuse the situation which Apple wouldn't complain about if it steers people in a different direction. We will only find out when Apple announce the new iPhone in September.
You have it completely wrong.
Employees have the right to be treated with dignity and not exploited whether they apply or not apply, choose to stay or choose to leave.
Well done working 7 days for your own aims and effectively being your own manager. I too work 7 days for my own aims, and I have the ability to adjust my income as it suits. However, these offshore Apple employees, they work for Apple's aims and they have a wage that is set, that is totally deficient and not negotiable. These employees should not need to work up to and more than 60 hours a week for a equivalent wage 10x less than in the USA, and in poor conditions.
Even if offshore Apple employees worked every hour of the week, with no sleep, they would never be able to "get ahead in life" based on the shockingly poor wage. These offshore Apple employees making iPhones are being exploited.
You might advocate exploitation is a fine method of employment, but I do not. Apple is totally responsible for every hand that touches the production of iPhone, iPads, Apple TV etc from the design prototypes in the USA to the final production assembly at offshore factories.
Not certain why you think the "truth is in the middle". Genuine pay stubs is rather conclusive evidence. It's rather odd that you are defending behaviors that would be unlawful in most countries in the world and behaviors that are indefensible. When we know better, we should expect better and ensure things are better.
Research on 1,261 pay stubs: http://www.chinalaborwatch.org/report/113
Poor Working Conditions Persist at Apple Supplier Pegatron: http://www.chinalaborwatch.org/report/109
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Thank you for reading them. When we know better, we should expect better and ensure things are better. Great standards can be expressed to other cultures or countries. However it is Apple that is engaging contracts to have its products made offshore. It has the responsibly to ensure all its workers, local and extended workforces are remunerated properly whatever their locale is.
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"Depression, anxiety, loneliness, or addiction"-- hmmm, could working up to or more than 60 hours a week, in poor conditions, living in crowded dorms of up to or more than 8 people at the workplace, for incredibly little compensation and pay, be a contributor to such behaviors and illnesses? Absolutely.
If any place of employment locally had an instance of 17 suicides, alarm bells would be ringing loudly. You might try to reason suicides by making comparisons to statistical averages or whatever measure you might need to twist it to justify it, but 17 suicides is 17 suicides too many.
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Give a source to back up your absurd claim of "$580*600% = 3480 * 12 = $41,760/yr". because that's not the case. You might want to compare working class cities with similar working class cities, and not a single dimension of "rent" for comparison, we are looking at whole cost of living which incorporates more than just rent.
3,800 renminbi = $580 (USD) per month working up to or more than 60 hours a week. Appalling.
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That's a very odd suggestion. How's about USA companies like Apple ensure their offshore Apple employees are paid fairly and provide proper working conditions. How about that?Maybe the USA pulls all Chinese manufacturing and they get no wages. How about that?
Then they can starve... Is that what you want to see happen
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[doublepost=1463581278][/doublepost]Without living there or any place with low wages I don't really see how YOU are able to decide what is a fair wage.
How do they get exploited when the get paid prevailing wages?
As long as you do not want to acknowledge that these people are not forced to work there, you have no leg to stand on. Their countries laws are their laws.
Who are you wanting to overrule what is going on in other countries?
Do you think the USA Federal Wage of $ 7.25 an hour is fair? Plenty of states still at that level.
Are US workers being exploited at that rate?
Maybe start in USA before worrying about other countries.
You can actually make a big statement and stop buying all products you think are being made under bad conditions.
You brush aside anything that doesn't fit into your view of the world and want to apply Western standards to other cultures. Just doesn't work.
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Your vendetta at Apple is misguided and these are not Apple workers. At least you finally mention they are contracted.
As for suicides, google it and China isn't even in the top 25. Most countries listed there don't even make Apple products, so how does that fit in with your claim?
Overall the only thing I see is that you do not like facts. You cite links, but when you getting other info you denounce it.
Face reality: The world cannot be made a better place. It is what it is. Imperfect as all humans.
You're applying Western standards to a country that has a very different culture. It's not Apple's job to change the culture in China.
A fair wage is one that isn't 60+ hours and poor conditions, a fair wage is one that actually lifts employees out of poverty, not entrenches employees in poverty.
Believe me, I make informed purchasing decisions.
No vendetta against Apple, just honesty and being upfront about the actual situation. I'm a fan of aspects of the company, on this particular aspect though, Apple is conducting its business in a total rubbish manner. All workers everywhere work under some form of "contract". Apple's offshore workforce are done badly by the company.
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So their "culture" makes them acceptable targets to be exploited by a USA company such as Apple? Why bother posting, your argument is blatant nonsense.
It is not Apples or (any companies) job to lift Chinese or other countries employees out of poverty or create prevailing wages.
Why would any company pay more than it has to?
Taken to the extreme all companies would have to increase their wages to attract workers and thus all costs rise and the spiral begins again.
A lot of poverty is sadly self inflicted. (Too many kids, not willing to move, educational level etc. etc.)
Every human has the chance to accomplish a good standard of living. Maybe with set backs along the way, but
with hard work one can. That also means one has to go after the work, i.e. where it is, plus work on ones education.
Once you have a job you can show the supervisors that you can do more, be an asset, are smart enough to handle things and progress/get promoted. That system works worldwide.
Obviously one has to start somewhere, which may be a low level min wage job. I can guarantee that if I started bagging groceries at a food market, I'd be moving up rapidly and by the end of 1 or 2 years have a much better paying job, possibly even be the store manager.
Again, what is a fair wage, related to cost of living in those countries? I have no idea if they get paid $ 580 for 40 hours or 60 hours or if overtime is included. Could not se anything mentioned.
Do you know? To just say it's not enough isn't information.
And, you did not answer whether you consider the federal wage of $ 7.25 in USA a fair wage. Enough to get out of poverty?
BTW: That min wage is from 2009!!
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Time to stop it. They are being paid, not exploited.
Exploited would be if they were NOT paid at all or not being paid correct wages according to their laws.
Just throwing out "exploited" doesn't make it the truth.
I wish we could interview an employee and get the whole true story, like how they are the umpteenth child, no jobs near, no outlook in life, no plan what to do next, where they live, starving at home, being forced out by the elders to go get a job anyplace and send money home. If there is anything like that I would watch it.
Would even be interested to interview (over a period of time ) a mix of workers who got hired and started, to see how their perception changes.
If that was me and I had to take care of a family I would also work any job, observe and learn what matters for the company and keep looking what I can do next to make more money or move up.
First things would be first, i.e. to even get a job. I would take it at any wage, then progress from there.
It also seems like they are getting some kind of education about the actual work. That alone is worth something. It's all what you do with what you learn in life.
Instead of complaining, walk away, work hard and smart and find a solution.
We can agree that being an assembly line worker for an entire life will never be a way to get to a good standard of living.
Apple has a fiduciary duty to the company and its shareholders. Apple's offshore actions is putting the company at risk of multiple legal actions regarding setting ultra low wages through setting impossible supplier expectations, exposing extended offshore staff, working soley only Apple products like iPhone 7, to excessive work hours, and poor, dangerous and unhealthy work conditions.
And, for your information, "exploitation" means:
ɛksplɔɪˈteɪʃ(ə)n/
noun
noun: exploitation; plural noun: exploitations
1.
the action or fact of treating someone unfairly in order to benefit from their work.
"the exploitation of migrant workers"
synonyms: taking advantage, making use, abuse of, misuse, ill treatment, unfair treatment, bleeding dry, sucking dry, squeezing, wringing;
2.
the action of making use of and benefiting from resources.
"the Bronze Age saw exploitation of gold deposits"
synonyms: utilization, utilizing, use, making use of, putting to use, making the most of, capitalisation on;
the fact of making use of a situation to gain unfair advantage for oneself.
Never mind, I can see from your other posts that this conversation has gone in circles already and you've already made up your mind and aren't open to anything anybody is saying. I'm out.
May you should try to become a comedian.
Nobody will sue Apple over wages in China. It's beyond their control.
Your logic is not even farfetched, it's totally muddled and still:
You have made no comment about the American minimum Federal Wage of $ 7.25.
Is everybody in USA who works for for $ 7.25 being exploited?
Apple places orders with contracting companies. They do not set ultra low wages. They have no jurisdiction in
those countries to set anything.
All businesses quote out jobs and go with the best offer they get, not even necessarily the lowest price.
I have yet to see a company say: Your prices are too low, please pay your people more, I'll pay the difference. That is only happening in the fantasy land of the ill informed.
You fail to list an hourly wage that would be considered fair (Fair by you or by whom?)
A generic fair and unfair will not do. If there are laws and they are being observed , where does FAIR or UNFAIR start? UNFAIR, what a rubber word. Paying prevailing wages isn't unfair.
Put your money where your mouth is and POST a dollar amount per hour, list the cost of living expenses related to that and you MAY have a point.
I bet you can't! And while you are at it stop posting that they work "excessive" overtime. 60 hours of work is nothing. You claim that just like me you work 60 plus hours a week.
The time cards you are citing were being debated. Chinalaborwatch also has it's publicity to get and I hope they find each and every violation that is correct and help change whatever is wrong. Probably a long process.
It is also clear that when you have no argument against a real statement you switch to generalities and platitudes.
So, I am very interested to see your viewpoint about the $ 7.25 minimum USA wage and maybe you can enlighten us with what a "FAIR" wage AMOUNT at Foxconn would be and some details about what that actually buys in the various provinces, i.e. relate that to cost of living.
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Same here, s/he can't even answer to very specific questions, like USA minimum wage , what is FAIR.
Looks like a do-gooder with other peoples money, raising the moral and ethics finger with only partial knowledge.