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Foxconn: Apple Not Subsidizing Recent Wage Increases
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Well, I can tell you that if the prices go up, it is not benefitting to those on a limited income. I have a very limited budget right now and will for the next several years, so increases in price would extremely detrimental to people like myself. And just to put some perspective on things, I will spend days looking for a good deal on something to save myself money. I doubt our philosophies will ever agree with one another.
You are correct, moving the entire operation to the US would be a huge capital expense and a big increased expense. I was just talking about assembly, and assuming that the creation of the cheap component pieces would remain in China. For the foreseeable future, it will remain far cheaper to make most of the individual pieces in those factories.
"Too bad for the slaves, but it is quite understandable". Hey, cheap cotton! We can pay less for our thongs.
You nailed nothing. Sorry.
They are planning to move some of their operations to other parts of China.
Know why? Because it's cheaper. Workers in the southeast of China want better wages and working conditions. So instead of doing that, the company will just move.
Money has no soul.
Know why? Because it's cheaper. Workers in the southeast of China want better wages and working conditions. So instead of doing that, the company will just move.
Money has no soul.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106431468
its about the book cheap, which talks about the cost in this country to have cheap goods. Its pretty scary and we are seeing the affects now less jobs out there.
its about the book cheap, which talks about the cost in this country to have cheap goods. Its pretty scary and we are seeing the affects now less jobs out there.
Well, I can tell you that if the prices go up, it is not benefitting to those on a limited income.
Maybe go back to school to learn English and thus a chance at advancement.
I have a very limited budget right now and will for the next several years, so increases in price would extremely detrimental to people like myself.
Maybe if there were more good jobs in the US, you would have one of them and wouldn't have to depend on slave labor to enjoy a decent lifestyle yourself.
And just to put some perspective on things, I will spend days looking for a good deal on something to save myself money. I doubt our philosophies will ever agree with one another.
So, it is ok for Foxcon employees to work long hours with no time off so you can wander around WallofChinaMart for days, looking for a good deal? That makes sense.
Maybe go back to school to learn English and thus a chance at advancement.
I have a very limited budget right now and will for the next several years, so increases in price would extremely detrimental to people like myself.
Maybe if there were more good jobs in the US, you would have one of them and wouldn't have to depend on slave labor to enjoy a decent lifestyle yourself.
And just to put some perspective on things, I will spend days looking for a good deal on something to save myself money. I doubt our philosophies will ever agree with one another.
So, it is ok for Foxcon employees to work long hours with no time off so you can wander around WallofChinaMart for days, looking for a good deal? That makes sense.
It's funny how the unions have a very pejorative connotation in America. Here in Belgium the unions have become such a powerful group that they are integrated in the power structure. Every collective labour agreement is to be discussed between employer - union - government. It's not like it doesn't work. We still have low inequality and a good standard of living, of which I'm proud. However, the bad part is that the unions can become so powerful that economic performance is jeopardized. Unfortunately, this is what's happening here right now. The wage/productions costs have become way too high.
Anyway, I can understand the problem with unions, and they need to be kept in check, but in the grand scheme of things, thank god we have (had) them.
Anyway, I can understand the problem with unions, and they need to be kept in check, but in the grand scheme of things, thank god we have (had) them.
Here's to hoping for a better work environment for the Foxconn employees.
I used to work at a Foxconn slave camp and it sucked out loud
Really? You managed to leave China on Foxconn's wages? Impressive. (Assuming you left china because I doubt China is allowed to see this site)
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Welcome to the Western World Foxconn, you want our wealth? You have to meet our standards one way or another.
Glad you brought this up. The workers in the more affluent areas are getting restive and uppity. This despite severe laws.
So, they are moving factories inland where the work force is less sophisticated and educated and so more willing to work under oppressive conditions.
Oh, cheap-freaks, rejoice in this. Apple is.
While a valid comment to a point. Even a non union workforce would need to make $7.25 an hour. Far greater than anything at Foxconn.
Oh Cr*p! We are??? Are you sure.... I really wished someone had told us, eh?
Actually we get paid quite well. Yearly bonuses are often paid out, and let me tell that extra moose and 3 beaver pelts are always welcome! And sure we get some vacation time... often it takes just a week to get from one community to the next by dogsled. If the polar bears don't get you. Gotta go, else the front door will be completely drifted up. Early spring snow storm blew in last night.
Actually, maybe Canada should lobby Apple to move some factories to Canada. Think of the money they can save by not paying for airconditioning, eh?
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On a slightly more serious note.....
.... one of the reasons some may cars are made in Canada is because Canada has universal health insurance (which is not the same as universal health care). The cost of hiring a Canadian worker is cheaper since it costs the car maker less in benefits, though they do tend to "top up" the health coverage to give workers a better health package. And health coverage is critical here, you never know when you might get frostbite, a wolf bite, and of course a bird-sized mosquito bite (the mosquito is bird-sized, not the bite!). Just google Winnipeg and mosquito if you think I'm kidding.
Anyway this site is about macrumors, this article doesn't have a place here, typical garbage by arn and co. No rumours or no news, so make news it seems, pathetic.
Did you just finish Philosophy 101? You needn't compare cultures as if one is superior to another. Did you forget that just 70+ years ago Germany claimed around 15 MILLION innocent lives in their strive totalitarianism? Or that under Stalin's rule, 35 MILLION died in vain? Both "western cultures". Stop trying to make one culture sound inferior to another, the nature of mankind is greed and that greed is heighten in power.
And you mentioned that adultery is illegal in Japan. Congrats to them, needs to be here too, people need to respect marriage. I'm tired of seeing single mothers with 6 children conceived from 3 different fathers. Not exaggerating, I'm in public service. Enjoy paying their expenses.
Correct. I personally did not nail it, because Foxconn did it for me, but at least I initiated a sponsorship for some of these folks in China if you are a major stock holder, like me, you know what I am talking about.
This thread is about a manufacturer that produces apple products, so it is fit to be published here.
How moving some manufacturing to the us will change the foxconn situation: standardization. As any global company they will have stronger standards for the manufacturing of their products therefore forcing via audits and new projects implementation to have all the OEM plants anywhere in the world following the same manufacturing standards. So if apple do the next projects/products starting a brand new manufacturing facility in US, as I wrote in my previous post, then this line/plant is replicated in the other country and the only different will be the wage and local laws.
How moving some manufacturing to the us will change the foxconn situation: standardization. As any global company they will have stronger standards for the manufacturing of their products therefore forcing via audits and new projects implementation to have all the OEM plants anywhere in the world following the same manufacturing standards. So if apple do the next projects/products starting a brand new manufacturing facility in US, as I wrote in my previous post, then this line/plant is replicated in the other country and the only different will be the wage and local laws.
Wrong.
Plenty of quality products are made in the US. Are Chinese workers more skilled? Do you feel unskilled? Do you feel too uncoordinated or stupid to be able to work on the line, if it came to that?
Why would quality drop? Afraid stupid Americans would put the rear case on the front or put the hard drive in upside down?
You should know that production technology has advanced at least as far as other kinds of technology. Assembly lines and the way products are designed make it virtually impossible to assemble things incorrectly. The quality of mass produced products is exactly the same everywhere.
The persistent idea of poor quality in US-made products is mostly due to American cars back when. Its a long story, but it was the fault of management, not the workers at all. If they had been assembling cars on a Japanese assembly line, the quality would have been fine.
The people to assemble things do exist, but our corporations simply refuse to employ them.
The US did not decide that it did not want to be in the manufacturing business. Corporations did and their lackies in the government went along with that, throwing in requested tax benefits and such to make the transition to China easier and even more profitable.
Somehow the cult of the CEO became dominant here. In a perfect world they would all be shipped to China to work on an assembly line making colorful vibrators.
Even if Apple (and other tech gadget companies) brought production (all or part) back to the US, it wouldnt need to manufacture the products or own the assembly plants. Apple currently farms out production to an overseas vendor. It could just as easily farm it out to a vendor with production in (preferably) the US
or even Mexico whose economic unhealth is also negatively impacting the US.
I think it would take more than economic will and a sustainable business model that does right by the workers yet keeps costs from skyrocketing it will take political will. That starts with us.
I think it would take more than economic will and a sustainable business model that does right by the workers yet keeps costs from skyrocketing it will take political will. That starts with us.
I really don't see how it costs $1,000+ for a simple Macbook. I think Apple is focusing too much on profit. Why cant they keep manufacturing operations in China and move the more simple assembly line operations to the USA. I know tons of out of work people who will be happy to make $7.25/hr with healthcare benefits.
I'm all for capitalism, but sometimes the money-hungry greedy CEO's care more about how much their company is worth than just offering quality products to consumers.
Apple, if you care about your image, and I'm hoping you do after the put-tape-on-your-iPhone-to-make-it-work and "You're holding it wrong" fiasco, do something with the unemployed Americans. Do you have any idea how much praise you'll get just for trying to employee more and more Americans?
I'm all for capitalism, but sometimes the money-hungry greedy CEO's care more about how much their company is worth than just offering quality products to consumers.
Apple, if you care about your image, and I'm hoping you do after the put-tape-on-your-iPhone-to-make-it-work and "You're holding it wrong" fiasco, do something with the unemployed Americans. Do you have any idea how much praise you'll get just for trying to employee more and more Americans?
Oh Cr*p! We are??? Are you sure.... I really wished someone had told us, eh?
Actually we get paid quite well. Yearly bonuses are often paid out, and let me tell that extra moose and 3 beaver pelts are always welcome! And sure we get some vacation time... often it takes just a week to get from one community to the next by dogsled. If the polar bears don't get you. Gotta go, else the front door will be completely drifted up. Early spring snow storm blew in last night.
Actually, maybe Canada should lobby Apple to move some factories to Canada. Think of the money they can save by not paying for airconditioning, eh?
.
.
.
On a slightly more serious note.....
.... one of the reasons some may cars are made in Canada is because Canada has universal health insurance (which is not the same as universal health care). The cost of hiring a Canadian worker is cheaper since it costs the car maker less in benefits, though they do tend to "top up" the health coverage to give workers a better health package. And health coverage is critical here, you never know when you might get frostbite, a wolf bite, and of course a bird-sized mosquito bite (the mosquito is bird-sized, not the bite!). Just google Winnipeg and mosquito if you think I'm kidding.
You know I was being sarcastic in response to a moronic post?
The role of healthcare is huge. I always thought healthcare reform in the US should have been centered around the issue of jobs.
Out of curiosity after taking into account all overhead of the factories and such what do you think the percent of the labor cost of let's say a new 15" MBP is? For example, a base 15" MBP is $1200, what do you think the labor cost is? 2%? 5%? I have absolutely no idea.
The reason I ask is I'd like to make a poll. The poll will ask something along these lines.... If the labor is $25 in China to assemble it and double that in America to assemble it would you be willing to pay the $25? I personally think Apple should consider building a assembly line here, even if it's outsourced to another company with the ultimate goal of moving let's say 25% of their production here to the US. THEN put it as a line item during the ordering process. Something like a checkbox, just like any other option on a BTO Mac of , +$25 or even +$50 for "Made 100% in the USA". I really believe a very large majority of people, particularly in these times when we realize we need to stick together will select that option. I for one would pay at least 10% or MORE for the honor of buying American for any Apple product... or any other product for that matter. Our products are rock bottom prices now. Americans as a whole still have it better financially than just about any people in the world... we can afford to pay 10% more for luxory items if it means creating/keeping jobs in this country.
The reason I ask is I'd like to make a poll. The poll will ask something along these lines.... If the labor is $25 in China to assemble it and double that in America to assemble it would you be willing to pay the $25? I personally think Apple should consider building a assembly line here, even if it's outsourced to another company with the ultimate goal of moving let's say 25% of their production here to the US. THEN put it as a line item during the ordering process. Something like a checkbox, just like any other option on a BTO Mac of , +$25 or even +$50 for "Made 100% in the USA". I really believe a very large majority of people, particularly in these times when we realize we need to stick together will select that option. I for one would pay at least 10% or MORE for the honor of buying American for any Apple product... or any other product for that matter. Our products are rock bottom prices now. Americans as a whole still have it better financially than just about any people in the world... we can afford to pay 10% more for luxory items if it means creating/keeping jobs in this country.
In the long run running a manufacturing operation here will increase the availabily of high tech suppliers closer. Nowadays all and most of them are closer to where the manufacturing plants are. So tr logistics will be another challenge.
Anyway that can boost the economy and like in the past century, that will deliver more jobs and then people can afford more apple products, then they will have more sales
Comparing 7 USD here in the US to 7USD in China is not a good comparison. Chinese workers will do far more with them than what we can do here.
Anyway that can boost the economy and like in the past century, that will deliver more jobs and then people can afford more apple products, then they will have more sales
Comparing 7 USD here in the US to 7USD in China is not a good comparison. Chinese workers will do far more with them than what we can do here.