You do realise that even at the minimum wage that would pretty much increase the manufacturing cost by about 1000% yeah? The reason they are made in China is because they can get things made for fractions of the price, hence you get a technologically advanced product for what is in real terms miniscule cost.
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You do realise that even at the minimum wage that would pretty much increase the manufacturing cost by about 1000% yeah? The reason they are made in China is because they can get things made for fractions of the price, hence you get a technologically advanced product for what is in real terms miniscule cost.
Foxconn is responsible for their employees, not Apple.
The supposed "problem" is that Foxconn employees have a suicide rate lower than that in the US. So working for Foxconn makes people less suicidal.
Oh, but it's Apple, so Apple should be doing *more*. They have the greenest products, but they are Apple so Greenpeace says they have to be even greener. They have an antenna issue that causes serious effects to virtually no one, same as many other phones, but senators will write letters about it because they are Apple.
The supposed "problem" is that Foxconn employees have a suicide rate lower than that in the US. So working for Foxconn makes people less suicidal.
Oh, but it's Apple, so Apple should be doing *more*. They have the greenest products, but they are Apple so Greenpeace says they have to be even greener. They have an antenna issue that causes serious effects to virtually no one, same as many other phones, but senators will write letters about it because they are Apple.
That's for sure. Why allow fellow Americans a living wage and time off to live like humans when you can have semi-slaves do it for $5. per iPhone!
The Chinese workers are beginning the unionization process, even though they could go to jail or get shot. Much like our early union movement.
Correct, but on the part I highlighted. I don't know how long you've been a Mac user or an Apple supporter but back in the day when Macs were made in the USA we paid pretty much the same as what we pay now so your point isn't really a valid one. Apple may get the savings on labor but they are not passing the savings to their customers.
And when it costs more to produce it, and the prices go up, and people buy less, what would you achieve?
So, a Camaro or Mustang costs over two million dollars?
Your English sucks. Are you really from China?
Manufacturing in America is dead thanks to the blackmailing of Unions. Fact, people get paid 75 a hour here to lay down tape because they are part of a Stage Union. Its BS.
Yes Apple, we want to pay twice as much for your products! 'Cuz we have loads of free money to give away!
Do you know how expensive it would be? Healthcare costs alone for employees would be through the roof. Americans expect full benefits, plus 401k and other related perks. Does that mean they will get them? Of course not, but I am sure costs wouldn't be the same as a factory in China.
Camaro? You do know that is built in Canada, right? You do know that Canada is another country, right?
People better get used to the idea of more expensive manufacturing in China too. The Chinese government is slowly allowing the yuan to appreciate against a grossly overvalued dollar, as its citizens demand to be able to consume and enjoy some of the fruits of their hard labour. It is only going to get much more expensive for US corporations to manufacture goods outside the country, especially in China.
$2000 laptops, $500 ipads, $300 MP3 players, and people who buy $200 PHONES that CANT MAKE CALLS. But hey, they're SHINY!
I would say yes, you do have loads of free money to give away.
Oh, no! American workers with healthcare and retirement and perks. Oh, the horror!
Bring them here.
Open a factory in the USA. Give all the existing workers H1-B visas. Get them to start paying U.S. income and social security taxes because we sure need that money here.
The only way to give more Americans jobs is to create new Americans.
Open a factory in the USA. Give all the existing workers H1-B visas. Get them to start paying U.S. income and social security taxes because we sure need that money here.
The only way to give more Americans jobs is to create new Americans.
Having US manufacturing plants in the current economy is viable. People is willing to work instead of staying unemployed (yes there are some individuals that like to collect unemployment for a long time, every county has them).
How many of you actually work or had worked in a manufacturing plant?
The manufacturing cost will go up, but the quality will go up also, and could have avoided the recent (last 5 years) quality problems that we had and are currently experiencing with
products. Why I write this? Because I am sure that American manufacturing workforce will be better focused on preventing issues and actually solving them before shipping the products.
The 3rd party OEM - Apple relationship model allows them to produce and sell all what they can and it is very easy for Apple to simply replace a defective product like an iPhone when an unhappy customer shows up at a genius bar, and the unhappy customer many time receives a product that still may have the same codition. Apple charges back the OEM supplier and they don't loose anything but sometimes even make a gain in their perceived super customer service instead.
The balance between paying more to manufacture and the reduction in quality issues will make a difference.
The current and future apple employees will happily work at home instead of continuously traveling to this so called 'slave cities' and will be better focused on producing, designing, testing and improving the products. I think a good model will be to have a lead plant in the us for every product and once the design and manufacturing process us mature enough they can move the production to the sister Asian sites. That way they can have a balance between faster concept to sales cycle. I believe that all the manufacturing processes and new technologies are developed by apple employees from the US, as well as the supply chain management is done by apple
How many of you actually work or had worked in a manufacturing plant?
The manufacturing cost will go up, but the quality will go up also, and could have avoided the recent (last 5 years) quality problems that we had and are currently experiencing with
products. Why I write this? Because I am sure that American manufacturing workforce will be better focused on preventing issues and actually solving them before shipping the products.The 3rd party OEM - Apple relationship model allows them to produce and sell all what they can and it is very easy for Apple to simply replace a defective product like an iPhone when an unhappy customer shows up at a genius bar, and the unhappy customer many time receives a product that still may have the same codition. Apple charges back the OEM supplier and they don't loose anything but sometimes even make a gain in their perceived super customer service instead.
The balance between paying more to manufacture and the reduction in quality issues will make a difference.
The current and future apple employees will happily work at home instead of continuously traveling to this so called 'slave cities' and will be better focused on producing, designing, testing and improving the products. I think a good model will be to have a lead plant in the us for every product and once the design and manufacturing process us mature enough they can move the production to the sister Asian sites. That way they can have a balance between faster concept to sales cycle. I believe that all the manufacturing processes and new technologies are developed by apple employees from the US, as well as the supply chain management is done by apple
Sorry, don't see that argument - Given the number of people in the 'towns' the suicide rate is no higher than in an US major city
Uh, you do know we have almost 10 percent unemployment? How about training the out of work Americans we already have?
Imagine that price going even higher.
I don't know what you call better. My point is only this - transferring the manufacturing to USA will solve nothing.
Sorry. I forgot. We all know that Canadians work for almost free, have no unions, have no vacation time or benefits. Nothing like the US at all.
So, that is why a Camaro doesn't cost two million dollars like a US made car.
Prices
It's amazing to see all this alarmist talk about prices doubling if manufacturing where moved to America. Yes, the labour cost would rise, but it's not like 80% of the cost of an iPod is paying some dude on an assembly line to drop parts into assembly machine. Even if you doubled or tripled pay for assembly line workers, they are still assembly line workers, processing tens or hundreds or maybe thousands of devices an hour.
So much is mechanized, and so much is optimized in an assembly line, that the cost of the machines and the components far far outweighs the cost of having some person press a button or load a component cartridge.
It's amazing to see all this alarmist talk about prices doubling if manufacturing where moved to America. Yes, the labour cost would rise, but it's not like 80% of the cost of an iPod is paying some dude on an assembly line to drop parts into assembly machine. Even if you doubled or tripled pay for assembly line workers, they are still assembly line workers, processing tens or hundreds or maybe thousands of devices an hour.
So much is mechanized, and so much is optimized in an assembly line, that the cost of the machines and the components far far outweighs the cost of having some person press a button or load a component cartridge.