Not anymore. Like you said iPhone 6 and 6S are really good phone. If I want to upgrade it got to be the XS mentality but not willing to spend $1000. Besides iPhone is no longer a thing for me, I was the first generation user until 6S been upgrading every year except for 6.
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Foxconn Cut 50,000 Contract Workers Months Ahead of Schedule Due to Poor iPhone Demand
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Got ya. Well I guess just hold onto what you got or move to an Android at some point. At least you have options.
If you don't think Face ID is innovation then theres nothing left to discuss. Enjoy.
If you actually read more than the first sentence, you’ll see the point of the article is that these cuts are happening much earlier than usual signifying low demand.
Sorry, all you have are that records were hit in the countries I mentioned, indicating there isn't a problem there.
I know people just want to be snarky, but the facts were given by Apple in Tim Cook's statement to shareholders. They are facts. Records were set. China was the major problem. Prices not coming down in record setting markets. Get over it.
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Great statement for likes, just based on no facts.
Records were set FY 2018 (*HUGE numbers, way up over 2017*) and again in FQ1 2019 in many markets including the US, Canada, Germany, Italy, Spain, and Korea. China struggled. That was the major culprit.
Prices will not be dropping in record setting countries until the facts say they need to. China needed a price cut and got one. Until then, no price cut for you.
CEOs make decisions based on hard data, not on feelings, anecdotal evidence, or emotions. That's why Tim Cook is where he is and all of us are here trying to be arm chair CEOs. Only some of us recognize that.
FaceID was developed completely by Israeli startup RealFace (they also had videos showing the unlock process with an Android phone), Apple just bought them.
That's fine, but it's certainly not Apple innovation.
https://www.macrumors.com/2017/02/19/apple-buys-facial-recognition-firm-realface/
First, you failing to recognize the innovation doesn't mean it's not there.
Second, your 100% increase is inaccurate on many levels. No clue what you're talking about. As an example, The iPhone 6 was $649 for a 4.7" screen. The iPhone XR is $749 for a 6.1" screen with the A12 and FaceID. That means the XR is probably more comparable to the 6 Plus, which started at $749...so no price increase. If you want to compare it to the 6, it's a 15% increase.
Innovation is happening everywhere. The silicon is as innovative as it gets in the industry. The best, period. FaceID, AirPods, photography, neural networks, AR, ApplePay, and the insane innovation on the Watch.
*Not caring* about the innovation is a personal issue, but don't confuse that with not innovating.
Last, name a company that innovates and drives the industry more than Apple? Samsung? Microsoft? Google? LG? LOL!!!!
What do you want, teleportation?
I still have a trouble remembering what are the difference between iPhone X and iPhone XS, even when I am big fan of Apple and I have watched the release keynote from the begining to the end. What about a normal customer? Also, for 1100$ a chinease customer could buy the 3 flagship phones from the top 3 android brands in China right now and still would have a change for a good meal or two. If Apple's go-to-the-market strategy in China and India (the last unexplored markets after a few african countries with huge population) is to sell 1100$ phones, they have a very serious long-term problem. Except if Apple is able to release some new breakthrough technology that is a few years ahead of the competition such as true long-distance wireless charging or some revolutionary battery that charges in few minutes...In any case, I will continue with my iPhone 6+. After chaning the battery, it works as day one and do everything that my girlfriend iPhone X do, except for these potrait photos (im kidding, i dont have a girlfriend).
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Still, all credit should go to Apple. Being able to develop the technology on their own or buying a company that holds the patent to this technology is quite similar to me. TouchID and Siri are also technologies or patents bought from small startup companies. Apple was smart enough to find them and see the potential. This drives innovation as there are hundreds of thousands technology startup racing to raise the atention of Apple and other big players.
Even Apple's temporary trade-in offer for the iPhone XR was deemed "desperate" by the media. You really can't win.
Every market except Asia. If you can't expand in Asia, then you need to restructure your Business Model. Which they have done with price reductions. However, as the more important concern in my post was the Sino Political backlash Apple is suffering from the Trade Wars. This will not be solved with price reductions. The anti American Cooperation movement in China at this point is a steam roller. The fact that the products they are boycotting are made in their country has little to no consequence. They want to reduce revenue in Cupertino.
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I’m not disputing that Asia is a vitally important region for future growth, I just find the general notion in these forums that the iPhone is failing across the board to be...interesting in light of this fact.Every market except Asia. If you can't expand in Asia, then you need to restructure your Business Model. Asia is the fastest growing region on the globe.
Really? Slowing demand worldwide? The poverty index is declining rapidly across the globe. Each year millions of people get out of poverty and become potential customers for smarthpones. The middle class in China has almost doubled in just 10 years. The same applies to India, Indonesia and other emerging big markets. The smartphone market has never been bigger as well as the demand. Huawei, Oppo and other brands skyrocked in the smartphone market in just a couple of years. People buy when they see value. If you dont care that much about security and ecosystem, iPhone is surely not on your list of potential purchases. Nowdays you can buy a great 4G smartphone with outstanding display, camera and performace for under 500$.
Yes, you do. You may not realize it because you have a modern device, but both the web and apps are much more demanding in terms of processing power compared to 5 years ago. Try Browsing the web in a A4 device, it's almost impossible.
I understand that. If you read my original post I was only addressing the Sino-Pacific Region. Personally, while I subscribe to the common complaint that prices are too high in general, I feel the battery replacement program has contributed to this years significantly reduced sales in a larger context than prices have.
Really? It is a more modern phone obviously but at the end of the day, the XR does the exact same things as the 6S. What you can do now with the XR that you couldnt do with the 6S, apart from better photos and unlocking by looking at the phone? Does it worth the 400$ dollars difference?
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Really? It is a more modern phone obviously but at the end of the day, the XR does the exact same things as the 6S. What you can do now with the XR that you couldnt do with the 6S, apart from better photos and unlocking by looking at the phone? Does it worth the 400$ dollars difference?
So by that logic... a super rich guy buying very expensive stuff, that not a lot of people know about, is an innovator?
So the same as 2016? When EXACTLY the same reason was claimed (poor iPhone sales) except it was actually instaling robots?
https://9to5mac.com/2016/05/25/foxconn-robots-replace-workers/
Oh gee, this is part of a larger plan? (dated 2011)
https://spectrum.ieee.org/automaton...replace-human-workers-with-one-million-robots
Here's what *I* expect is going on. The robot replacement plan remains in full swing, replacements happening every year. But workers (and governments) are less than enthusiastic when you say that they are being replaced with robots, not least because that job ain't coming back, unlike a layoff.
So what do you do? You certainly DON'T explain everything in terms of robots! Rather latch onto something (anything, really --- Apple, worries about China, Donal Trump whatever works), blame that for expected low demand and so you're forced to engage in layoffs. Then install the robots and, voila, REGARDLESS of the future demand (no-one's ever going to go back and check) you've reduced headcount and made one more step towards the long term goal.
Surely no-one would be stupid enough to fall for that? Repeatedly?
Oh yeah...
And what were you thinking before you read my comment?
https://9to5mac.com/2016/05/25/foxconn-robots-replace-workers/
Oh gee, this is part of a larger plan? (dated 2011)
https://spectrum.ieee.org/automaton...replace-human-workers-with-one-million-robots
Here's what *I* expect is going on. The robot replacement plan remains in full swing, replacements happening every year. But workers (and governments) are less than enthusiastic when you say that they are being replaced with robots, not least because that job ain't coming back, unlike a layoff.
So what do you do? You certainly DON'T explain everything in terms of robots! Rather latch onto something (anything, really --- Apple, worries about China, Donal Trump whatever works), blame that for expected low demand and so you're forced to engage in layoffs. Then install the robots and, voila, REGARDLESS of the future demand (no-one's ever going to go back and check) you've reduced headcount and made one more step towards the long term goal.
Surely no-one would be stupid enough to fall for that? Repeatedly?
Oh yeah...
And what were you thinking before you read my comment?
Should that be interfering with the text?
Edit: That would be like Android soft navigation buttons interfering with display.
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The line auto-appears and auto-disappears. Similar to the accessibility button. It also changes to white based on the darkness of what is under it.
So....you can't site your proof, meanwhile, being snarky about it. Gotcha...
I think you miss the point here. The innovation is still there but it is created and exploited in different way. These smart kids who developed the technology and made the startup become employees of Apple and transffered their intangible assets to Apple in exchange for money. This does not mean there is no innovation. Sometimes innovation comes out from the lab of some big tech company, and other times it comes from a kid with a mac working in his garage. Secondly, many times big tech companies come with an idea only to find out just hours later that it is already patented by another small company. What they do if they want to further develop this idea and implement this new technology? Well, they buy this small company in order to avoid patent law suits in the future and to not starting from a scratch. This ofc does not mean that when they buy this small company it is as simple as porting the software to the iPhone and releasing it. There is a great deal of further research and development, testing and big fixing before it goes on the shelfs. We live in a big world. It is really hard, even impossible, to come with an new idea without founding another person somewhere in the world working on this exact same idea.
Although I’m talking about things which I’m not familiar with, I can’t seem to believe that the anticipated versus actual demand gap for the iPhone alone (regardless of how poor or well they did) is enough to lay off 50,000 employees. They’d have to be making actual pennies.
This is where we cross into the realm of clickbait. Foxconn manufactures just about every type of electronic from hundreds of brands. Instead of realizing this is the canary in the coal mine for the impending global recession, just slap Apple onto the title as if it is the only slowing business Foxconn does so they can take all the blame.
Just about every major company is starting to forecast decline in 2019.
Apple need more than just their hardcore fan base to keep buying their yearly/two yearly produced products which is a major problem for Apple because they are saturating the market with their iphones whilst a huge majority are extremely happy to stay with their still fully working iphone SE, iphone5, iphone 6 and iphone 8. THESE are the people Apple need to try and persuade to upgrade to their latest models but these people are not going to do so because the prices of the newest iphones are way to high and thus in their mind it's a case of, why pay a high price for a new iphone when my current iphone is still working and doing everything i need it to do.