How full of yourself you are! Geez!
Ummm... I just guessed some numbers, no real logic in it, just guessed. But I'll say that it would be a Google interview question to look smart and not have anyone question me.
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Foxconn Factory Worker Detained Over iPhone 6 Shell Leaks
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How full of yourself you are! Geez!
Ummm... I just guessed some numbers, no real logic in it, just guessed. But I'll say that it would be a Google interview question to look smart and not have anyone question me.
Could you please explain me how you "estimated" this?
Well you consider the estimated labor cost at highest is about 30 dollars.
To double or triple it would add $30 to an iPhone or $60 dollars to an iPhone price.
I threw a high estimate mostly because I am tired of people thinking your iPhone would cost $1200 or $1800 like I have seen in these forums
I think people forget how many iPhones Apple makes.
http://www.asymco.com/2012/02/22/the-iphone-manufacturing-cost-structure/
The value of the plastic is nothing, but the value of the information they leaked is incredible. Stealing trade or inside secrets is damaging and doesn't promote a level playing field.
They gave a hand full of companies an advantage because of stolen stuff. Lets say it was a case company. They could end up making millions off the fact that they have had a design (that fits) on day one.
It's no different then insider trading. Should there be a fine ? Yes. Should there be jail time, YES!
You could argue that there was tons of leaks. Yes, and they will chase each one down. This is just the first, they will continue to catch more.
how much money would you invest as a case manufacture based on a leak from a random slave?
you "might" trust a high ranking apple employee for leaked info but would you really ramp productions on cases based on a "maybe"
What do you mean?
Seriously, it's a rather trivial problem. You can easily find out how many people work for Foxconn, guess what percentage builds iPhones, you can find out how many iPhones are sold per month, you were given an amount of raise in monthly salary, that's rather simple maths. And it's exactly the kind of thing that Google would ask in job interviews. "How many piano tuners are working in Seattle". "How many ping pong balls fit into a railway wagon". The only information that isn't available with good precision is the percentage of employees or number of employees working on Apple products.
And I didn't guess anything. I replied to someone who asked how one would make such an estimate and was surprised that apparently the average poster here seems not capable of doing something like that. It's bizarre. Like some guy estimating that $960 are 5 years salary in China in this thread. Absolutely bizarre.
So not 1 of the 100,000 Americans putting togeather iPhones at crappy wages wouldn't of been able to have sneaked out with some shells and sold them to a high bidder?
This is bound to happen when you have 100,000 workers doing something, and btw I am pretty positive America has much more strict laws restricting intensive searches than China does when it comes to factory work.
Have you seen what fedex/ups do their workers who are at shipping hubs? They do a full body metal scan and pat down to try to make sure they're not taking ipads/iphones/macbook/ and other valuables out of the shipping lines.
Seems security isn't very tight at Foxconn after all Guy just puts the shell in his coat pocket and walks on out. (smh)
Whatever happened to "doubling-down"??
He did double-down. And then he busted.
As if American jails are any better
, they are complete rubbish compared to some countries in Europe.
So, one person out of 200K employees got caught leaking parts. No bad odds for the size of the place.
They do it ever year ... how else do you think they have cases on release day ? It's a gamble no matter what. But, having a physical item you can use as a reference is really damn powerful. It's rare that those specs change wildly between those leaks and final version.
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I wish they would do that for the TSA bag inspectors. Look at the one they caught in Newark stealing 10s of thousands of dollars in camera gear. There was also one who was stealing iPads and selling them on eBay.
My eyes went back so far into my head reading this that I'm looking at my optic nerve...
Untrue. Look at the Mac Pro. Nothing was revealed prior to the announcement, even though Apple's manufacturing plant in America had already been involved in producing test versions. Chinese workers generally have no loyalty to a company, and their culture doesn't respect copyright. Sure, there's people like that in America too, but they also know there's a higher chance of prosecution if they steal parts.
Well, you're right, I should have worded it a bit differently: yes he should, if his actions are described in the article.
As far as I know "relatively large" means 2k-5k yuan, which may or may not be close to the cost of six shells.
My point is that it is silly to discuss whether or not he should go to prison, because that is what the Chinese law enforcement will do; and that the decision has sod all to do with this case being connected to Apple and all the publicity that comes with it.
Sadly not true, having worked in many different company i can say most of workers just value money and are corruptible. As in life, most people are idiots and exploiters.
As if American jails are any better
Well I wouldn't want to be in prison anywhere, but I'll take the a US prison over a Chinese one any day.
Why would you risk your job at foxxonn.... Ots good stable job.....for a thousans bucks? Doesnt make sense
(The following is from an article posted on www.tuaw.com)
Over the past couple of years, we have heard a great deal concerning working conditions at factories owned by Foxconn. The Chinese manufacturing company is responsible for assembling consumer electronics for most of the major vendors out there, including Apple. Around a fourth of those 230,000 people live in company-owned dorms or barracks right on factory property; that's almost 60,000 people living and working at the factory. Many of the people at "Foxconn City" work six days a week, twelve hours a day, and they earn less than US$17 per day. It may sound inhumane by American standards, but these jobs are in high demand in China -- so much so that Jennifer Rigoni, former worldwide supply demand manager for Apple, told the New York Times that Foxconn "could hire 3,000 people overnight.
The biggest difference between people committing crimes and people not committing crimes is not ethics, money, etc. but _the ability to foresee the outcome of your actions and plan accordingly_. Yes, I wouldn't risk my job and going to jail for two months salary. Since you asked the question, I'm quite sure you wouldn't do it either.
But some people can only see the cash in their pocket and not the risk they are taking, and take the money. Also, I would be quite sure that he was approached by someone to do this; it would be much harder for him to steal these shells and then find someone who pays for them. Some people are easily led and can be convinced easily to do stupid things that they would never think of doing by themselves.
It's not a serious crime, and it's not a political crime, so I think his family will be fine. If you put plastic material into milk that is given to 600,000 babies to make money, that's the kind of thing where you lose your head if you get caught, and arguably not undeserved, but this is not anything comparable. Even if some people on MacRumors think so (someone was asking for 50 years in jail).
That's quite contrary to things I've read elsewhere. In February 2012 (that is two years ago, with salaries rising), the salary for a freshly hired untrained employee was about $290 per month _without doing any overtime_, with payment per hour of overtime about 50% hire. 20% raise after passing the first set of qualifications. Twelve hours per day would be eight hours normal + four hours overtime, or 16 hours paid at about $29. More than that on the sixth day which is fully overtime (but the percentage of workers doing more than 60 hours per week is small). That's for an untrained freshly hired employee two years ago. 20 percent more after training, and Foxconn had to give raises around 20% every year.
And one caught in the act by a film crew which installed "find my iPhone" on an iPad which promptly disappeared at the security check. Now _that_ kind of person should go to jail for a long, long time. Normally, it's kind of up to me to make sure that I don't let my stuff get stolen and look after it, but at a security check it's out of my control. So everyone stealing at a security check should be punished at least twice as hard.
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