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I have visited a few Northern Chinese cities like Xi’An, Beijing, Qinhuangdao and Dalian, all stunningly beautiful big cities!
What's going on in this sub?
I'm from Beijing and it is absolutely NOT a beautiful city. Anyone from Beijing will tell you this. It's dirty, old, crowded, falling apart, incredibly polluted. Some days you can't see more than a few metres in front of you.
I know reddit is swarming with wumaos. Are they on this website too? I'm seeing the same tactics - whataboutisms (the US is bad too!) and people lying about the country (e.g. pretending ugly, poor, polluted cities are beautiful.)
 
What's going on in this sub?
I'm from Beijing and it is absolutely NOT a beautiful city. Anyone from Beijing will tell you this. It's dirty, old, crowded, falling apart, incredibly polluted. Some days you can't see more than a few metres in front of you.
I know reddit is swarming with wumaos. Are they on this website too? I'm seeing the same tactics - whataboutisms (the US is bad too!) and people lying about the country (e.g. pretending ugly, poor, polluted cities are beautiful.)
Sounds like you don’t like anywhere in China. What you’re describing with crowds and pollution is just … cities… terms you can use for any city.

Is this the whataboutisms you’re talking about? Lol if you want to deflect.

btw zhengzhou is in China’s heartland. hundreds of millions of people are from that region. They don’t choose to live there. They’re from there. And they might have a different opinion on their hometown as you.
 
Sounds like you don’t like anywhere in China. What you’re describing with crowds and pollution is just … cities… terms you can use for any city.
That's not true. Hong Kong, Macau, and Shanghai are very decent cities. Clean, modern, advanced.
 
Go to any less maintained part of US city is depressing too. Those homeless camps under the highway bridge in Houston downtown is quite depressing too.
About those slave wage comments, is that 7.25 USD hour wage in US kinda similar too.
7.25 in the US is not at all similar to China.

And most companies don’t pay the minimum wage and haven’t for some time.

If you think McDonald’s burger flippers are making minimum wage, your view of this issue hasn’t left the 80’s.
 
That's not true. Hong Kong, Macau, and Shanghai are very decent cities. Clean, modern, advanced.

You need to give me your definition of clean, modern and advanced.

Your logic is like, only I am right. Others who disagree with you is wrong or wumao.

Look. Beijing is no where near your description of dirty, crowed and failing apart.

If you are talking about economical stagnation, I might agree with you. Especially for my hometown. But to say it is dirty and depress is absolutely not true.
 
You need to give me your definition of clean, modern and advanced.

Your logic is like, only I am right. Others who disagree with you is wrong or wumao.

Look. Beijing is no where near your description of dirty, crowed and failing apart.

If you are talking about economical stagnation, I might agree with you. Especially for my hometown. But to say it is dirty and depress is absolutely not true.
It might be as compared to where he lives.
 
Oh really?


It is smaller regional outbreak. There is no widespread outbreak yet.

Guangzhou is dealing with its own outbreak. You don’t know the length China went through. They pretty much tested entire population, everyone arrival requires 28 days quarantine with COVID test every three days. It is nothing like how Canadian or American is doing.
 
It is smaller regional outbreak. There is no widespread outbreak yet.

Guangzhou is dealing with its own outbreak. You don’t know the length China went through. They pretty much tested entire population, everyone arrival requires 28 days quarantine with COVID test every three days. It is nothing like how Canadian or American is doing.

This is the statement I was responding to: “Coronavirus has been a non-issue in China for at least a year.”

“Non-issue” does not appear to be an accurate description. As for small regional outbreaks, isn't that what Wuhan was a year and a half ago?
 


Apple's largest manufacturing partner Foxconn is offering "record-high" signing bonuses in an effort to recruit workers for iPhone 13 production over the next few months, according to the South China Morning Post.

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‌iPhone 13‌ Pro in Matte Black render via EverythingApplePro

The report claims Foxconn is offering up to 8,000 yuan ($1,235) as a signing bonus to former workers willing to return to its Zhengzhou, China factory to assist with iPhone assembly during the "peak season," up from 5,500 yuan last month and 5,000 yuan in 2020. Workers will receive their bonuses after working for Foxconn's iPhone assembly division for four months and staying until the end of the peak season, the report adds.

Apple manufacturers like Foxconn commonly offer signing bonuses in the months leading up to an iPhone launch, but this year's bonus range for returning workers is the highest since the Zhengzhou factory started operations in 2010, according to the South China Morning Post's review of past recruitment ads from Foxconn.

Apple is increasingly expected to unveil the iPhone 13 lineup in September, marking a return to its usual launch timeframe after unveiling the iPhone 12 lineup in October 2020 due to reported COVID-19-related production delays.

iPhone 13 models are rumored to feature a smaller notch at the top of the display, but otherwise they are expected to have a similar design as their iPhone 12 counterparts. Other key new features expected include a faster A15 chip, a 120Hz refresh rate on the Pro models, several camera upgrades, a new Matte Black color, and more.

Article Link: Foxconn Offers 'Record-High' Bonuses to Recruit Workers for iPhone 13 Assembly
Is it true that workers pop in iPhone screens by hand?!?!
 
It is smaller regional outbreak. There is no widespread outbreak yet.

Guangzhou is dealing with its own outbreak. You don’t know the length China went through. They pretty much tested entire population, everyone arrival requires 28 days quarantine with COVID test every three days. It is nothing like how Canadian or American is doing.
I feel like we only know a fraction of truth out of China.
 
And how does that change anything I said? They need to give "record high" bonuses because like I said above, it's not worth working for them.
Record high means they're paying more now than before. They had the same bad working conditions before with less pay, and people still took the jobs. The increase probably has to do with broader inflation.
 
I feel like we only know a fraction of truth out of China.

If you don't want to believe China has pretty much handled this virus, then don't.

But what I can tell you is this: China has just surpassed 1 billion does of its own vaccine. All travellers need go through 28 days quarantine (maybe shorter depends on region, but for my region is 14 inside the arrival city and 14 days inside my region). Our city pretty much tested every resident for COVID.

There are couple pockets of area has outbreak, pretty much it is regional and it is been contained. No other countries actually have more restrictions put in place than China.

Compare how Canadian government handling with this virus, it is pretty much a joke. Constantly flop flipping about mask, flip flopping about vaccine, only 3 days mandatory quarantine at airport, not even mass testing... I am not surprised how China is able to restore its normal life quickly.
 
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7.25 in the US is not at all similar to China.

And most companies don’t pay the minimum wage and haven’t for some time.

If you think McDonald’s burger flippers are making minimum wage, your view of this issue hasn’t left the 80’s.

It really doesn't matter McDonald's burger flippers are making.

They aren't making enough to sustain themselves for even basic needs, like rent and food. It is like McDonald's is paying someone 15 dollars per hour in Ontario, you can hardly afford your rent and food, let along other expenses.

Generally, living expenses in China various hugely. People from smaller town and poor area are spend way less than people from big cities, like Beijing or Shanghai. These factory workers are basically from these poor areas. The money they earned from factor is enough for them to get by and even save some. But if they want purchase property or start their live in these cities, they won't able to.
 
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Record high means they're paying more now than before. They had the same bad working conditions before with less pay, and people still took the jobs. The increase probably has to do with broader inflation.
Yes record high "bonuses" which means they are NOT retaining as many employees (most likely due to the terrible conditions) which is why they have to try and have more incentive (hence the record high bonuses).
 
If you’ve been there, you probably already know, but cities like Zhengzhou may not be utopias, but for young, rural Chinese workers looking to move away from agricultural lives of their parents, these jobs are great opportunities. Not to say they shouldn’t have better working conditions, pay, etc — I just think sometimes people in wealthy western countries don’t fully understand the huge opportunity these places can be.
Yep. I work for a big communication company and we had a lot of people in India. As well a lot who had flown on shore to work. I remember someone telling me they get paid like $8 an hour. Which sounds bad on face value, But I used to sit next to and Indian lady in my office (when we were in offices).

She was pretty honest at explaining that $8 is a great wage in those countries. Everything is cheaper. She said people Tavel to the big cities hoping to get one of those jobs because they’re really good.
 
A reminder.... Foxconn is a Taiwanese corporation which makes products for US corporations, and both are in China for cheap controllable labour. Despite this, output quality of these workers are very high.

In China young people go to work in a place like this, not with the vision of working there for the next 30 years, or as a long term career, but to get some money in the short term, to get something on their resume, to get experience, etc, yes just like they do in other countries, yes, your country too.
 
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No other countries actually have more restrictions put in place than China.

Compare how Canadian government handling with this virus, it is pretty much a joke.
Well yeah, totalitarianism has its advantages but it has numerous and severe downsides as well.
 
Yep. I work for a big communication company and we had a lot of people in India. As well a lot who had flown on shore to work. I remember someone telling me they get paid like $8 an hour. Which sounds bad on face value, But I used to sit next to and Indian lady in my office (when we were in offices).

She was pretty honest at explaining that $8 is a great wage in those countries. Everything is cheaper. She said people Tavel to the big cities hoping to get one of those jobs because they’re really good.

$8 USD an hour is an insane salary in India, it's 1% territory even in major cities.

The average Indian works 2,117 hours per year, so that's $16,936 USD or ₹12,58,893.00 Indian Rupees, which is a LOT.

You can easily get a nice 3 or 4 floor house in the suburbs outside a major city, or a luxury serviced apartment with 2 main bedrooms, terraces, swimming pool, gym, private parking, security, cook and maid for that salary.
 
Well yeah, totalitarianism has its advantages but it has numerous and severe downsides as well.

Well...Democracy has its advantage but it has numerous and server downside as well. It is all depends on which systems works best for each different countries.

There isn't a single system that works with all nations. Totalitarianism worked well in China until it not, then there will be change. So far, majority of Chinese are happy with what they have.
 
They didn't steal American jobs, you wouldn't want those jobs anyway. China is about to reach a stage where few Chinese are willing to take on those jobs. Then, those jobs will be outsourced to places like Malaysia, with automation technologies and robots from East Asia or America. Eventually, this means steady inflation for the US, which has been unnaturally low, thanks to China over the past decades. Can't tell if wages will rise though. This part is not certain before wages in China and the US reach parity, and they will before ~2040.
 
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