Foxconn's iPhone 12 Output in India Hit By Local Lockdowns

[1258186]

The health of the Indian workers is far more important than iPhone output. They need to get Covid infections under control.

 

[1258186]

Fortunately, Foxconn factories in Mainland China and Taiwan are running at full capacity. I don’t think iPad Pro and iPhone 13 will be affected by this.

Heaven forbid thousands of people dying in India should get in the way of iPhone production. What a sad world we live in.

 

[coolbreeze2]

wages and compensation are not the main reasons. All electronics are made up of hundreds of parts created by various manufacturers. Most of not all of these components are created by manufacturers located in Southeast Asia.
Logistically it makes sense to assemble your device close to where the parts are made. Otherwise you would have to ship it all here just to get assembled. That adds time to the process.

And it would be great if the parts were built in the USA as well.

 

[0924487]

Heaven forbid thousands of people dying in India should get in the way of iPhone production. What a sad world we live in.

That’s not the fault of Foxconn or Apple. India still has a much less reliable business environment than East Asia for intrinsic reasons. Even if the wages are lower in India than China, Japan and Korea, it still wouldn’t make sense to shift manufacturing plants there.

 

[coolbreeze2]

The iPhone production was never “home” in the US. They produce for a worldwide group of customers.

But since capitalism drives these decisions and led us here, I wonder what you like to replace it with?

Well, bring production home for the first time.

How can you conclude I was suggesting replacing capitalism? I only said find a solution to bring production to USA soil.

 

[0924487]

And it would be great if the parts were built in the USA as well.

No one in the US wants those jobs for similar compensations anyway.

For STEM jobs, you need rigorous STEM education. Our culture values cheerleaders, not that nerdy girl with big glasses. It’s the opposite in East Asia, where they value meritocracy and academic excellence in STEM fields. Our congressmen are largely lawyers, in East Asia, they are overwhelmingly Engineers. That makes a difference.

 

[1258186]

That’s not the fault of Foxconn or Apple. India still has a much less reliable business environment than East Asia for intrinsic reasons. Even if the wages are lower in India than China, Japan and Korea, it still wouldn’t make sense to shift manufacturing plants there.

What a sad word we love in when products and profits are more important than people’s lives.

 

[justperry]

Well, bring production home for the first time.

How you can conclude I was suggesting replacing capitalism? I only said find a solution to bring production to USA soil.

Why oh why, I really don't understand this sentiment, we see these kind of post again and again.
Apple is a global company, yes, their base is in the US but most of the revenue/profits are generated outside of the US, why should all manufacturing be in the States, I just don't understand.

A few of the best known brands have their home in the place I come from, I do not care if low paid jobs go elsewhere, high paid jobs stay here.
Actually, I don't care at all....

 

[jonnysods]

By building iPhones, you get money into the country that can be used to pay for oxygen supplies, vaccines, and medical care.

There was a survey I don't now where, either UK or USA, showing that one third of anti-vaxxers would take the vaccine if they were given $100 or £100. Which clearly proves they don't refuse because of any health concerns; if I thought it was dangerous I wouldn't take it for £10,000. They just refuse because they are useless people who think they can excert a tiny little bit of power by doing what's worst for them and their country.

India has money - demand outweighs supply regardless of how much money someone has.

 

[JPack]

India has money - demand outweighs supply regardless of how much money someone has.

If India had money, they would have done a “Warp Speed” plan to build capacity for vaccine production. Due to budget reasons, India only planned to vaccinate 250 million people out of 1.3 billion.

 

[jimbobb24]

With all the data showing lockdowns have little if any benefit I am surprised govts anywhere are still acting like its March 2020 and we dont know anything.

Lucky for India they are young and thin compared to the US and their death rate is still the lowest of any large nation...by quite a lot.

 

[jimbobb24]

By building iPhones, you get money into the country that can be used to pay for oxygen supplies, vaccines, and medical care.

There was a survey I don't now where, either UK or USA, showing that one third of anti-vaxxers would take the vaccine if they were given $100 or £100. Which clearly proves they don't refuse because of any health concerns; if I thought it was dangerous I wouldn't take it for £10,000. They just refuse because they are useless people who think they can excert a tiny little bit of power by doing what's worst for them and their country.

If you are young and healthy the vaccine makes no difference to you unless you work with old people or spend meaningful time with them. CV19 poses almost no risk to young people. Whether or not they get the vaccine makes little difference to anyone because if the old and fat get the vaccine they are protected which is all that matters in a disease that mostly impacts frail old people. FYI I got the vaccine in December, but this anti-anti-vaxxor hysteria is unnecessary.

 

[jimbobb24]

If India had money, they would have done a “Warp Speed” plan to build capacity for vaccine production. Due to budget reasons, India only planned to vaccinate 250 million people out of 1.3 billion.

Actually very reasonable. There are probably not even 250 million high risk people in India.

 

[JPack]

Actually very reasonable. There are probably not even 250 million high risk people in India.

The current disaster in India says otherwise. Even back in January-March, the death rate in India for under-45 population was 5%.

You have to consider how extensive malnutrition is in India. Less than 50% have access to safe drinking water. How many have access to proper medical? You can't assume just because a population is young, they're all healthy.

 

[nathan_reilly]

Fortunately, Foxconn factories in Mainland China and Taiwan are running at full capacity. I don’t think iPad Pro and iPhone 13 will be affected by this.

smh...

 

[ericwn]

Well, bring production home for the first time.

How can you conclude I was suggesting replacing capitalism? I only said find a solution to bring production to USA soil.

The home of Apple’s production is where their outsourced partners want to build.

How much more would the product cost to offset the higher manufacturing costs of producing in some western countries , save Apples profits, satisfy the shareholders? How do you guarantee market share if you drive the price up by letting nationalistic opinions get into the way of competitive production?

Michael Moore famously failed to convince Nike to make their shoes in the US. How do you expect building way more complex things will be successful?

 

[coolbreeze2]

The home of Apple’s production is where their outsourced partners want to build.

How much more would the product cost to offset the higher manufacturing costs of producing in some western countries , save Apples profits, satisfy the shareholders? How do you guarantee market share if you drive the price up by letting nationalistic opinions get into the way of competitive production?

Michael Moore famously failed to convince Nike to make their shoes in the US. How do you expect building way more complex things will be successful?

So if Apple manufactured in the USA it's guranteed to fail?

 

[ericwn]

So if Apple manufactured in the USA it's guranteed to fail?

So if it manufacturers in the US is it guaranteed to prosper based on the points that I raised?

 

[1258186]

I wish Apple could build all their devices here in the USA. I understand that USA workers demand things like better pay, great health coverage, and other benefits; therefore, USA companies take production outside the country. They must because at the same time USA workers want all these great benefits and salaries, the USA market demands low prices and high quality. There needs to be a solution to bring manufacturing back home!!

Not all companies are as greedy as Apple. Plenty still manufacture in the USA. Apple could do it if they wanted to but they prefer to go where labour costs are very low and health & safety standards are either non existent or never enforced. That speaks volumes about their priorities and corporate culture.

 

[e-coli]

Truly heartbreaking what’s going on in India. If you can, donations to organizations like Doctors Without Borders really make a difference.

Donate here

 

[Hazmat401]

Should have built that factory in AMERICA!!!!

 

[ericwn]

Not all companies are as greedy as Apple. Plenty still manufacture in the USA. Apple could do it if they wanted to but they prefer to go where labour costs are very low and health & safety standards are either non existent or never enforced. That speaks volumes about their priorities and corporate culture.

Which mainstream consumer computer company makes its products in the US?

 

[ericwn]

Should have built that factory in AMERICA!!!!

See post 41 for the challenges that would need solving if you don’t want to end up with a substantially more expensive product.

 

[xbjllb]

When they do start rehiring in India again, the employee pool will be MUCH smarter.

 

[coolbreeze2]

Not all companies are as greedy as Apple. Plenty still manufacture in the USA. Apple could do it if they wanted to but they prefer to go where labour costs are very low and health & safety standards are either non existent or never enforced. That speaks volumes about their priorities and corporate culture.

Yes and folks don't want to admit that.