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To be honest, I don't think it's market saturation. The iphone form factor is outdated as no other phones have such massive bezels. Also, top of the line phones have equal or better specs, but more features such as slot for micro SD, stylists, iris scanner, wireless charging (QI), and OLED screens. AND these competitor phones are cheaper!

So one could say that you are paying for iOS, but iOS really has lost it's competitive advantage. And Siri is pretty much useless compared to google now, unless all you want are jokes.

I don't think it's doom and gloom, but silly ads and Apple PR isn't that effective as the tech community is seeing past all the garbage. I think the first step is to recognize you have a problem. If suppliers are freaking out, if your loyal customers are freaking out, but Tim is the only one smiling and singing in la la land, then I think we have identified the problem!
So true!
 
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I have a 6 and I still don't see a reason to upgrade. And people who have the 5 or 5S might be more interested in the 5SE.

Even the biggest Apple Fanboys don't seem to be able to make a case for the new phone. If you are, please do!
I'll be upgrading next month, but mainly because I wanted the 6S and told myself to wait another year for the 7. If I could do it over, I may have just purchased the 6S a year ago, but I feel a lot of people are being overly negative about a phone that hasn't been announced yet.

My primary reasons for upgrading from my 6+:

a) I switched to T-Mobile and their coverage is terrible, so I want a phone that supports the 700 mhz LTE band 12.

b) 1 GB of ram is wildly frustrating (the minimal amount of multi-tasking the iPhone allows you to do goes to **** when your apps close themselves everytime you switch between apps, and because T-Mobile's coverage is terrible, it's frustrating that even though I had a webpage open before I turned off my screen I have to wait for my phone to reload the exact same webpage because it can't keep it in the ram). My phone is also frustratingly slow. This is probably a combination of the old processor as well as the lack of ram.

c) The size of the 6+ is too big for me. It's uncomfortable to walk/run up stairs or to sit in my car with it in my pocket. Ideally I would like a 5.1" screen, but for now I'll give the 4.7" a shot at least until they reduce the bezels on the + model.

d) My iPhone is pretty much the only camera I use and I want a better camera. I own a DSLR but never carry it with my because it's too big.

Upgrading from the 6+ to the 4.7" 2016 model puts me in a little bit of a dilemma as I appreciate the OIS on my 6+ and I really wish I had it for video recording as well. I'm hoping they'll include OIS for pictures and video on the 4.7" model but that is yet to be seen.

Really all of my reasons for upgrading could be achieved by purchasing a 6S, so if I already owned a 6S, I would not be upgrading. I am excited for the things we don't know yet though. Everybody seems to think that because the 7 will have the same general shape as the 6 that it will be the same phone. I'm 100% certain they're not going to get up there and be like "We know you loved the iPhone 6S, so here it is again, only without a headphone jack!". There are obviously going to be great things we haven't learned yet that will start making us more interested. I also am feeling pretty confident it will be water resistant, which I'm excited about as it will ease some concern when the kids are handling my phone by the pool. (I've actually dropped a phone in a toilet and a different phone in a glass of water before myself).

I agree it seems to be a little underwhelming this year when we were expecting a redesign, but it's still going to be better than the 6S, and the 6S was almost enough to make me switch from my 6 but I made myself wait. I'm not going to wait yet another year simply because there will be a better model next year. If the 2017 model is leaps and bounds above the 2016 model then perhaps I'll upgrade again, but there's no certainty all our dreams will come true with that model either.
 
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To be honest, I don't think it's market saturation. The iphone form factor is outdated as no other phones have such massive bezels. Also, top of the line phones have equal or better specs, but more features such as slot for micro SD, stylists, iris scanner, wireless charging (QI), and OLED screens. AND these competitor phones are cheaper!
I've got to ask, what is innovative about smaller bezels? What function do they provide? How does a small bezel make something more functional, or what problem does it solve?

The rest, you're conflating many different models of phones as if anyone (other than Samsung) has put nearly all of those into a device. Some of these are complete gimmicks as well. When we're able to charge our devices by merely walking into area instead of placing them on a specific spot on a pad we're going to wonder what in the world was so "innovative" about charging pads?
 
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The phone hasn't even been announced yet lmao you do realizes not every single feature leaks right?

The camera, the speed, new software that's only iPhone 7 compatible, different home button, better reception because of the antenna bands, maybe some type of water proofing...

I don't know why everyone just to such drastic conclusions about a phone that hasn't released...

You are correct, it is too early but everything you mentioned is already out there in competitor phones and better. I am hoping for one, just one redeeming feature that makes sense to upgrade, but really, Samsung note is looking like a great option because Apple isn't the tech gem it was under Steve.

While I don't want to be drastic, it's not like Tim has an A-game and has been killing it with his products. If anything, all products under his leadership have been mediocre at best.
 
You are correct, it is too early but everything you mentioned is already out there in competitor phones and better. I am hoping for one, just one redeeming feature that makes sense to upgrade, but really, Samsung note is looking like a great option because Apple isn't the tech gem it was under Steve.

While I don't want to be drastic, it's not like Tim has an A-game and has been killing it with his products. If anything, all products under his leadership have been mediocre at best.
You may not like the speed of the release pipeline, but I think you'll be eating your hat this time next year.
 
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I've got to ask, what is innovative about smaller bezels? What function do they provide? How does a small bezel make something more functional, or what problem does it solve?

The rest, you're conflating many different models of phones as if anyone (other than Samsung) has put nearly all of those into a device. Some of these are complete gimmicks as well. When we're able to charge our devices by merely walking into area instead of placing them on a specific spot on a pad we're going to wonder what in the world was so "innovative" about charging pads?
Well, I think Soccertess pretty much pointed out what innovative things are going on in the phone world. The bezels will make it look a bit more like the rest in 2016. Like flatscreen tv's, the less bezel the better.
 
Well, I think Soccertess pretty much pointed out what innovative things are going on in the phone world. The bezels will make it look a bit more like the rest in 2016. Like flatscreen tv's, the less bezel the better.
But again I ask, what is innovative about it? I'm not against smaller bezels on the sides (more indifferent than anything) but other than cosmetics I don't understand how that can be claimed as innovative.

SD slots aren't innovation
 
The iPhone 6s Plus charges as fast as a S7 Edge if using the iPad charger.

"Fast" charging only compared to their older products.

And no cosrumization same grid? Doesn't iOS 9 add 3D Touch menus? iOS 10 isn't Assing pop-up widgets? Widgets on iOS have surpassed those on Android, Android widgets can't be that active, can't show video, etc.

Android still doesn't have good looking icons, on iOS every icon respects the same shape and most respect the same proportions and colors. On Amdroid it's a mess even with Google icons:

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Source for that "biggest chunk"?

so your response to fast charging/wireless charging is to assume everyone has an iPad charger to use on their iPhone? what if i want to charge both at the same time? lol. i respect your opinion that widgets on iOS has surpassed that of android but its just your opinion. too bad they're buried in the notification center and not allowed to be placed on the home screen or lock screen which brings it back to the original point that there is no customization on the app grid (6 rows of 4 static apps) with 1 slow moving dynamic wallpaper to choose from. yeah yeah you can get to widgets on iOS by additional swipes or 3d touch but hows 3d touch on your iPad or iPhone se? or the iPhone 6? while android is far from perfect you can change it to look the way you want with countless themes and launchers. but at least we have squirt gun emojis, soon to be no headphone port and possibly fake speaker holes to look forward to! i love apple but its no surprise that iPhone sales are on the decline.
 
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I've got to ask, what is innovative about smaller bezels? What function do they provide? How does a small bezel make something more functional, or what problem does it solve?

The rest, you're conflating many different models of phones as if anyone (other than Samsung) has put nearly all of those into a device. Some of these are complete gimmicks as well. When we're able to charge our devices by merely walking into area instead of placing them on a specific spot on a pad we're going to wonder what in the world was so "innovative" about charging pads?

Bingo. This is all the doom & gloom iPhone "fake users" want to talk about. Stuff that doesn't really matter.

However, one thing they NEVER want to talk about are the things inside. Like the A9 processor, hardware encryption, NVMe storage and all the other high-end hardware features that only Apple has which puts them far above everyone else.

I mean, it's pretty sad to think Apple had hardware encryption back in the iPhone 3GS while even new devices like the S7 STILL don't have this. Quite pathetic. But keep talking about bezels or widgets as if they are innovative.
 
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But again I ask, what is innovative about it? I'm not against smaller bezels on the sides (more indifferent than anything) but other than cosmetics I don't understand how that can be claimed as innovative.

SD slots aren't innovation
Depends on your definition of innovation. For me, every improvement is innovation. Samsung and many others have a big list of improvements compared to the iPhone right now. I'm afraid the iPhone 7 won't make that list much shorter. To think of having to wait another year for the next improvements of the iPhone 7S/8 is just too long. Considering it will be similar priced. It's just not competitive anymore. Market responds, you just have to look at China. To give credit to China, that's the place today where all the high tech comes from.
 
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Depends on your definition of innovation. For me, every improvement is innovation. Samsung and many others have a big list of improvements compared to the iPhone right now. I'm afraid the iPhone 7 won't make that list much shorter. To think of having to wait another year for the next improvements of the iPhone 7S/8 is just too long. Considering it will be similar priced. It's just not competitive anymore. Market responds, you just have to look at China. To give credit to China, that's the place today where all the high tech comes from.

Incrementation doesn't fall into innovation in my book, but again I guess we're talking semantics.

Perhaps the consumer mindset has just gotten far too impatient? When everyone is conflating dozens of features scattered across the Android field against the iPhone platform it kind makes you think all of this hubbub is the result of technological schizophrenia, no?
 
Bingo. This is all the doom & gloom iPhone "fake users" want to talk about. Stuff that doesn't really matter.

However, one thing they NEVER want to talk about are the things inside. Like the A9 processor, hardware encryption, NVMe storage and all the other high-end hardware features that only Apple has which puts them far above everyone else.

I mean, it's pretty sad to think Apple had hardware encryption back in the iPhone 3GS while even new devices like the S7 STILL don't have this. Quite pathetic. But keep talking about bezels or widgets as if they are innovative.

Wish all Apple customers were like you, Apple would flourish and still on the iPhone 7 by 2020 with only some color change. In 2015 my :apple: :apple: glasses fell off. Today I got struck by Apple fatigue for total lack of new products :confused:
 
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Wish all Apple customers were like you, Apple would flourish and still on the iPhone 7 by 2020 with only some color change. In 2015 my :apple: :apple: glasses fell off. Today I got struck by Apple fatigue for total lack of new products :confused:

Sales of apple products are down a little bit, but the reality is the company is flourishing very well. The company and the executives are making barrels of money.
 
Wish all Apple customers were like you, Apple would flourish and still on the iPhone 7 by 2020 with only some color change. In 2015 my :apple: :apple: glasses fell off. Today I got struck by Apple fatigue for total lack of new products :confused:
I'm sure if I would be frustrated if I was in the market for some type of new device, but I've refreshed in this year (iPad Pro 9.7, 2015 13" MBP, 6s, watch) so all my needs are thoroughly met. I assume you've been waiting for a refresh of some type of device because yours is getting too old to use new functions?
 
Sales of apple products are down a little bit, but the reality is the company is flourishing very well. The company and the executives are making barrels of money.
I'm not concerned about their profits. I'm more concerned how they've been treating their customers the last couple of years. But time will correct that. And it's only a matter of time now.
 
For the tech savy, it is easy to find the lack of innovation frustrating. But, 99% of the iphone buyers are people that have no clue what tech is out there. They only use 10% of the features of their phone. As long as they can send messages, make calls, check their email, take good pictures, use maps, surf the web, use the latest and greatest apps,etc. than they are satisfied. This group will keep buying iphones because there is no reason not to. What is better out there for these needs? The only reason to switch would be price, so that may slow how often they upgrade but will keep them with Apple.

Also, it was easier for Apple to add innovation to their phones in the early stages when sales were much lower. Now, Apple has to be able to manufacture to the highest quality 200M phones per year. That is what slows the pace of innovation more than a lack of technology. If they tried to put out the phone that everyone wants before it is ready to mass produce, this audience would also complain. Can't have it both ways people.

IMO, this is why they are segmenting into regular and "Pro" versions. The "Pro" versions will get the best tech they can put in that the average consumer does not need, while the regular versions are more than good enough for the masses. The tech savy people that need the latest and greatest tech will get it, but will have to pay for it. The regular versions will compete with the rest of the market. They did with the iphone SE and always have done it in the tablet market for years by offering older models at much lower prices.

Will you please stop making sense?

That is not appreciated here.

The wolve packs want to rip somebody or something.
Most of the wolves btw never invented or produced a thing.

But, keyboards are power, so let's have it!
 
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I'm not concerned about their profits. I'm more concerned how they've been treating their customers the last couple of years. But time will correct that. And it's only a matter of time now.
You realize that the vocal forum dwelling tech nerds (such as myself) aren't the customer base of....well any tech company right?

I have my issues with how large Apple as a company has been allowed to become, but I don't think for a second that their base is turning on them....and the yearly brand respect surveys clearly show it isn't the case.
 
I have grown tired of the Apple tactics of rationing new features on each release of iPhone. The new iPhones have enough new features to be called different from previous model however they are always behind Samsung in terms of incoporating the latest technology in their phones.

I became very disappointed by the shape of iPhone 6 as well because now it looks pretty much the same as a Samsung. I think Mr Ive is getting lazy from all the millions he's made so far and can't be bothered to come up with something original anymore.

The only thing that has kept me loyal to iPhone so far is the iOS. However if Apple doesn't get it together pretty soon and give us something worth the money they charge then I will be seriously thinking about moving over to big S.

It used to be that Samsung was following Apple's footsteps. Now it seems that Apple are following Sammsung's footsteps instead.
 
You realize that the vocal forum dwelling tech nerds (such as myself) aren't the customer base of....well any tech company right?

I have my issues with how large Apple as a company has been allowed to become, but I don't think for a second that their base is turning on them....and the yearly brand respect surveys clearly show it isn't the case.

I see the Apple fatigue all around me. I know quite some people who jumped ship and never regretted doing so. As of 2014 I was a fierce defender and an Apple diplomat. As of today I find less and less reason doing so and I even don't recommend Apple to my friends and family anymore. Today's Apple is synonym for greed, arrogant company with outdated tech for a very expensive price.
 
Wish all Apple customers were like you, Apple would flourish and still on the iPhone 7 by 2020 with only some color change. In 2015 my :apple: :apple: glasses fell off. Today I got struck by Apple fatigue for total lack of new products :confused:

I use iOS devices because Android is a cesspool. None of the high-end Apps I use have Android equivalents anywhere near as good. And Android developers are lazy. Can't even make proper tablet optimized Apps or take the time to code for 64bit and give me improved performance. So much for that fancy mega-core processor in phones like the S7 that never get utilized. What an utter waste. I also don't care about fluff that Android tries to pass off as innovative. And iOS will ALWAYS be more secure than Android, which is important to me.
 
I've got to ask, what is innovative about smaller bezels? What function do they provide? How does a small bezel make something more functional, or what problem does it solve?

The rest, you're conflating many different models of phones as if anyone (other than Samsung) has put nearly all of those into a device. Some of these are complete gimmicks as well. When we're able to charge our devices by merely walking into area instead of placing them on a specific spot on a pad we're going to wonder what in the world was so "innovative" about charging pads?

You can have a larger screen in the same form or the same screen size in a smaller phone. I would prefer for the iPhone to be slightly smaller in height and width, as it would allow me to reach the far corner on the screen more easily.
 
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