Freescale Confirms Dual Core G4

[Maxx Power]

I'm far from the ideal consumer, but I suppose it's far easier to hurl accusation than it is to even ask what my position is. No, I don't think Apple is lily-white on their business practices, but I'd rather they play a little dirty and stay alive than die off entirely and leave us with basically no alternative to the crap-fest that is Windows.

Ah, right. I'm sure whatever computer you're using isn't made from PCBs and other volatiles that, by their very existence, give off free monomers and otherwise polute the environment. It was obviously crafted by skilled labor in a free country, rather than in factories in China and Taiwan, has no marketing budget to speak of, and in fact takes in and feeds stray puppies on a daily basis.

Please.

If you're going to assault my liking of one computer platform over another, at least don't be a hypocrite about it. It's not like you're using the GreenPC and it's magical eaerth-powers.

Computers have no wit, nor are they sentient. They are tools and devices, to be put to the uses we decide for them. For someone making claims about anthropomorphizing and improperly revering machinery, you've got an odd turn of phrase.

My computer is a macintosh because I'm comfortable with them, I don't have to fix things constantly, and I know how to work the small details pretty efffectively. To borrow from the company I supposedly worship, if you're to be believed, it just works.

1) One sentence to respond to your first paragraph quoted above:
If you choose to fight evil with evil, the only thing left will be evil.

2) There is a difference between acknowledging a concept verses ignorance. The importance here is that what mistake made in the past has been finalized and finished with. The western society here chose a form of capitalism that is now getting out of hand which is a mistake, their real mistake is not acknowledging it. I on the otherhand, purchased computers parts of the type you describe, the difference is that I strive to do the opposite after finding out the details of such components. Acknowledgement is the first key to change. Just as no one can become a Ph.D in physics after realizing fundamental laws of gravity apply, you can not compare me to a hypocrite.

3) "Wit" is a form of figure of speech. It doesn't mean the computer is intelligent or that it thinks independently of the owner. It simply means the actual demand of the computer to process useful information. If you had no better use of a computer other than daily e-tasks (which can often be accomplished without the "e-"), then buying a Mac, or evel a PC is a pretty pathetic excuse to spend money. Speed should come in need, not desire, something this society isn't so aware of these days, or at least, do not practice.

4) There is no such thing as "just work". My g5 1.6 crashes more often than my PC when i browse with Safari, when I multitask sometimes on my mac, it shows the multi language grey screen of death, and not to mention my USB M-audio sound card can not be turned on while playing audio already, or else it is restart time, just like my PC, the drivers aren't more stable, heck, Apple doesn't even use the newest ATI or Nvidia drivers, what gave you the solid concrete evidence that Mac's are more "insert property here" ? Perhaps it is because you hear about windows problems more often ? How about 90% market share's worth of more often. My PC is more flexible in its settings, configurations, so on that I can tune it to my liking. He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither. That is what typical american today don't understand in the post-9/11th world.

 

[kraeloc]

4) There is no such thing as "just work". My g5 1.6 crashes more often than my PC when i browse with Safari, when I multitask sometimes on my mac, it shows the multi language grey screen of death, and not to mention my USB M-audio sound card can not be turned on while playing audio already, or else it is restart time, just like my PC, the drivers aren't more stable, heck, Apple doesn't even use the newest ATI or Nvidia drivers, what gave you the solid concrete evidence that Mac's are more "insert property here" ? Perhaps it is because you hear about windows problems more often ? How about 90% market share's worth of more often. My PC is more flexible in its settings, configurations, so on that I can tune it to my liking. He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither. That is what typical american today don't understand in the post-9/11th world.

Please tell me you did not just compare mac users with Patriot-act suckers.

 

[Maxx Power]

Please tell me you did not just compare mac users with Patriot-act suckers.

Well, that's a pretty glib interpretation. I don't mean to get political on this.

 

[reorx]

1) One sentence to respond to your first paragraph quoted above:
If you choose to fight evil with evil, the only thing left will be evil.

Well spoken my Marxist friend. You'll be high in the party when we overthrow this regime. Then we can sell our out people to the free market and become weathy beyond imagination.

You have no idea what you've just stepped into.

 

[Analog Kid]

You must have spent years with 0's and 1's from the internet to have mastered such a forum lingo.

With time any better spent, you might have understood and fought against corporations instead of becoming a better puppet called the ideal consumer. Apple's business practices, refer to numerous posts here and there in this forum, are sub-par. They hate the truth (refer to barefeats.com and their fiasco with apple on benchmarking in apple stores), they stiff their own dealers (refer to www.tellonapple.org), they stiff their own customers (check out those outrageous iPod battery replacement prices, repair prices on any of their hardware disregarding the broken parts), they pollute the environment just as well as any other corporation (I have a few PDF's saved about apple's case with the federal investigators), they take advantage of kids (superbowl commercial), highly materialistic (all profit based corporations share this trait), they pollute the mind through marketing and advertising shaping and molding ideal consumers to secure their market base (more or less big corporations only), they use cheap offshore slave-like labour (like Nike's sweat shops), they are only responsible toward their shareholders and not you (again, most corporations), the list goes on and on. I'd apologize if i hurt your feelings you had with Apple or their computers, but then, having an emotional attachment toward an inanimate object is a sign of mental illness (refer to the website where the guy gutted a G5 and put in PC parts, it was a hoax).

Finally, as for regards in luxury computing, do you have a mind that can utilize your computer's wit ? If you don't, buying a luxury computer is like a hermit crab with a oversized shell, it just doesn't fit other than to satisfy your hunger for materialistic status.

Hey-- isn't this how Ted Kaczynski got his start?

 

[thatwendigo]

1) One sentence to respond to your first paragraph quoted above:
If you choose to fight evil with evil, the only thing left will be evil.

Oh, well if we're having a quote fight:

"Any man who is under thirty and not liberal has no heart. Any man that is over thirty and not conservative has no brain."
-ascribed to Winston Churchill

What does this have to do with the topic at hand? Does it even mean anything? Do I actually believe it?

Who knows? It sounds good and it makes me look intelligent, just like your quote does!

2) There is a difference between acknowledging a concept verses ignorance. The importance here is that what mistake made in the past has been finalized and finished with.

Uh... Why don't you come down off the high horse and start talking to people instead of at them, sparky?

You might find out that we have some shared beliefs about mistakes in the past and how many people don't seem interested in them. See, I'm not at all in favor of rampant consumerism and the culture that's encouraging us to move into what amounts to a new form of feudalism. You'd have found that out if you'd asked me instead of trying to browbeat me into accepting some point that you're really not getting to all that effectively or quickly.

What I'm not for is Marxism or other forms of "father knows best" destruction of personal rights, because either of the extremes is entirely repugnant and stifling of people in a different way. Complete freedom is anarchy, complete suckling at the teat of government is slavery - neither is ideal.

The western society here chose a form of capitalism that is now getting out of hand which is a mistake, their real mistake is not acknowledging it. I on the otherhand, purchased computers parts of the type you describe, the difference is that I strive to do the opposite after finding out the details of such components. Acknowledgement is the first key to change. Just as no one can become a Ph.D in physics after realizing fundamental laws of gravity apply, you can not compare me to a hypocrite.

Uh, no.

You, sir, are a complete and utter hypocrite because "acknowledging" that your computer parts are part of some evil scheme to control us all and destroy the planet out of negligence, but buying them anyway, isn't at all useful. You can't harrangue someone for being ignorant and doing the very thing that you're doing, too, if you want to escape being labeled that way.

Stop buying computer parts that are made in sweatshops in countries with bad labor laws and personal freedoms. Stop buying your food from the congolomerates. Stop using oil-based products. Never buy diamonds.

Come on. Let's see you do something real, if you're going to try to nail me on this path. It may be small, but I already do something on this front... I buy produce from small, local farmers and co-cops whenever I can. I support companies with good labor practices when I have the option, and I pretty much avoid Wal-Mart. I drive a car with better than average mileage, don't just roam around unnecessarily, and otherwise try to help conserve the failing petroleum reserves. I give money and time to causes I believe in, whenever the opportunity and my circumstances allow. I support organic and free-range food with my purchases.

I don't just "accept" the truth, I try to do my little part to help out.

3) "Wit" is a form of figure of speech. It doesn't mean the computer is intelligent or that it thinks independently of the owner. It simply means the actual demand of the computer to process useful information.

wit - n -

1. The natural ability to perceive and understand; intelligence.
2.
1. Keenness and quickness of perception or discernment; ingenuity. Often used in the plural: living by one's wits.
2. wits Sound mental faculties; sanity: scared out of my wits.
3.
1. The ability to perceive and express in an ingeniously humorous manner the relationship between seemingly incongruous or disparate things.
2. One noted for this ability, especially one skilled in repartee.
3. A person of exceptional intelligence.​

Hmmm. Wit seems to be entirely about intelligence and humor, with no mention of anything about information processing. How strange that my usage is correct...

If you had no better use of a computer other than daily e-tasks (which can often be accomplished without the "e-"), then buying a Mac, or evel a PC is a pretty pathetic excuse to spend money. Speed should come in need, not desire, something this society isn't so aware of these days, or at least, do not practice.

There's something supremely ironic about using a computer to post on a messageboard that's running on another computer, just so someone using a third computer (and others) can read what you have to say about how computers are unnecessary. I just thought I'd point that out.

<snip more long-winded rants with little substance>

My computers just work. It's as simple as that.

Over the last twenty years, I've been owner or "administrator" of some twenty five Apple and Apple Macintosh computers. In that timeframe, I've had to put a machine in the shop three times for hardware failures and never for a software issue. There were some problems in the earlier version of the system - especially the clones' third party drivers - but they've largely been ironed out with OS X.

Since the new system was put out, I've had four kernel panics on seven machines I look after. That's it.

Yes, for me, macs just work.

He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither. That is what typical american today don't understand in the post-9/11th world.

The quote is "He who sacrifices essential liberty for a little security will have neither and deserve neither." It was Benjamin Franklin and he was talking about the willingness of people to compromise their basic rights in exchange for feeling safe, which I think can be applied to many Americans in the aftermath of September eleventh.

The horrible, stinking irony of this is that you're throwing it at me, when I'm one of the loudest, most voiciferous critics of the Patriot Act, Iraq war, DCMA, and other controversial and - in my opinion - stifling attempts to squelch the freedoms we're supposedly fighting for. You really, really dropped the ball on this one.

"These are ugly days, ugly times, ugly words.
From lies and disinformation, ignorance is born.
Can you smell the hatred being bred from fear?
And don't you understand that when you give your rights away,
There is no freedom left to die for?
Where has my country gone?"
-Justin Sane, "Where Has My Country Gone?"

 

[thatwendigo]

Also, if this is necessary to continue, let's take it to the politics board. This is for the discussion of Freescale, not personal beliefs.

 

[stephenli]

???

wait.....does it means that MPC7448 discreet is a single core one?
could MPC8641D be inserted in Powerbook?
so what will we get finally? A single core Powerbook G4 with longer battery life or a dual core Powerbook G4?

 

[Maxx Power]

Oh, well if we're having a quote fight:

"Any man who is under thirty and not liberal has no heart. Any man that is over thirty and not conservative has no brain."
-ascribed to Winston Churchill

What does this have to do with the topic at hand? Does it even mean anything? Do I actually believe it?

Who knows? It sounds good and it makes me look intelligent, just like your quote does!





Uh... Why don't you come down off the high horse and start talking to people instead of at them, sparky?

You might find out that we have some shared beliefs about mistakes in the past and how many people don't seem interested in them. See, I'm not at all in favor of rampant consumerism and the culture that's encouraging us to move into what amounts to a new form of feudalism. You'd have found that out if you'd asked me instead of trying to browbeat me into accepting some point that you're really not getting to all that effectively or quickly.

What I'm not for is Marxism or other forms of "father knows best" destruction of personal rights, because either of the extremes is entirely repugnant and stifling of people in a different way. Complete freedom is anarchy, complete suckling at the teat of government is slavery - neither is ideal.




Uh, no.

You, sir, are a complete and utter hypocrite because "acknowledging" that your computer parts are part of some evil scheme to control us all and destroy the planet out of negligence, but buying them anyway, isn't at all useful. You can't harrangue someone for being ignorant and doing the very thing that you're doing, too, if you want to escape being labeled that way.

Stop buying computer parts that are made in sweatshops in countries with bad labor laws and personal freedoms. Stop buying your food from the congolomerates. Stop using oil-based products. Never buy diamonds.

Come on. Let's see you do something real, if you're going to try to nail me on this path. It may be small, but I already do something on this front... I buy produce from small, local farmers and co-cops whenever I can. I support companies with good labor practices when I have the option, and I pretty much avoid Wal-Mart. I drive a car with better than average mileage, don't just roam around unnecessarily, and otherwise try to help conserve the failing petroleum reserves. I give money and time to causes I believe in, whenever the opportunity and my circumstances allow. I support organic and free-range food with my purchases.

I don't just "accept" the truth, I try to do my little part to help out.



wit - n -

1. The natural ability to perceive and understand; intelligence.
2.
1. Keenness and quickness of perception or discernment; ingenuity. Often used in the plural: living by one's wits.
2. wits Sound mental faculties; sanity: scared out of my wits.
3.
1. The ability to perceive and express in an ingeniously humorous manner the relationship between seemingly incongruous or disparate things.
2. One noted for this ability, especially one skilled in repartee.
3. A person of exceptional intelligence.​

Hmmm. Wit seems to be entirely about intelligence and humor, with no mention of anything about information processing. How strange that my usage is correct...



There's something supremely ironic about using a computer to post on a messageboard that's running on another computer, just so someone using a third computer (and others) can read what you have to say about how computers are unnecessary. I just thought I'd point that out.



My computers just work. It's as simple as that.

Over the last twenty years, I've been owner or "administrator" of some twenty five Apple and Apple Macintosh computers. In that timeframe, I've had to put a machine in the shop three times for hardware failures and never for a software issue. There were some problems in the earlier version of the system - especially the clones' third party drivers - but they've largely been ironed out with OS X.

Since the new system was put out, I've had four kernel panics on seven machines I look after. That's it.

Yes, for me, macs just work.


The quote is "He who sacrifices essential liberty for a little security will have neither and deserve neither." It was Benjamin Franklin and he was talking about the willingness of people to compromise their basic rights in exchange for feeling safe, which I think can be applied to many Americans in the aftermath of September eleventh.

The horrible, stinking irony of this is that you're throwing it at me, when I'm one of the loudest, most voiciferous critics of the Patriot Act, Iraq war, DCMA, and other controversial and - in my opinion - stifling attempts to squelch the freedoms we're supposedly fighting for. You really, really dropped the ball on this one.

"These are ugly days, ugly times, ugly words.
From lies and disinformation, ignorance is born.
Can you smell the hatred being bred from fear?
And don't you understand that when you give your rights away,
There is no freedom left to die for?
Where has my country gone?"
-Justin Sane, "Where Has My Country Gone?"

This is actually getting kind of long and involving, I'd really be surprised if the admin did NOT remove our posts an hour from now.

As for the quote fight you mentioned, I thought up that one quote you mentioned independently from whoever else might have also in the past. It was just logic.
We definitely share some core values from what I have read of your posts. And no, I did not read up all your posts in this thread so far. I just wanted to comment on something I thought was worthwhile, I didn't particularly pick to go against your stance wherever this argument sprouted from.
Another important issue, on doing things real, you don't stack up. I am an activist of the AVS group here at university of ottawa, as well as the multimedia volunteer. We arranged to have Ralph Nader, Theodore Postal (going on right now), etc, to have a few days visit and give numerous lectures and speeches, I missed the Postal speech today but will watch the DVD we made afterwards. We interviewed Jeremy Wright last week at our weekly meeting, the maker of Celsius 9/11, you can guess the purpose of the film quite well. I have not shopped at wal-mart or any other american corporation considered large for as long as i remember knowing what they do behind the scenes. Sure I have brand name computer components this or that, but you forgot that was BEFORE I made certain discoveries of their origin and the process of their realization. I'm not trying to "nail" you, intellects or high enough caliber don't attack others that way, refer to Ralph Nader and Noam Chomsky here respectively.
"Wit" by dictionary terms you would be correct. But let me remind you there are figures of speech where the word used does not imply its direct meaning, this case would be hyperbole, I am exaggerating the abilities of the computer.
Regarding to the unnecessary computer useage discussion here, I stand by my point that a computer is misappriopriated and often overlooked in today's general public.
As for computer working or not, it is true that your situation does not match mine, and neither of us can normalize here, what is encoutered by experience is further compounded by personal interpretations and biases, for you as it is for me.
Once again, that quote you stated as the "original" is another logical deduction derivable from simpler axioms, I need not state the exact original, just as we construct and use logic in our everyday lives.
Ideologically I am with you here on against the DMCA, patriot act, etc, but unless you make such statements clear, it would seem absurd if I just blurt out and ask someone more or less at random what your stance is on a particular political issue. But now that we have gone past that barrier, I think the whole "dropped the ball" issue is invalid.

 

[thatwendigo]

wait.....does it means that MPC7448 discreet is a single core one?
could MPC8641D be inserted in Powerbook?
so what will we get finally? A single core Powerbook G4 with longer battery life or a dual core Powerbook G4?

The MPC7448 is a discrete, sincle-core processor that is basically an ehanced G4 with a higher clock and bus speed. It would probably take a bit of modification to put into a PowerBook, but far less than truly taking advantage of the MPC8641D would.

In the first case, you have to change the system controller and possible a bit of the board layout. For the latter, you're making extreme alterations that require a totally new tape-out for the design and the adoption of new components to take up the capabilities of the core. Some of these include interfaces and controllers that are no longer needed on the board, new ones that need to be substituted, pathways laid down for the peripheral systems, memory sockets that are compatible with DDR2, and so on.

 

[MikeBike]

Other considerations!

So much for the claim of being "sensible" with your budget!

Hey, nice to think of the possibility of a P4 laptop in bio,
but you forget this guy would probably run Windows.
I think the combination of the Altivec processor + OS X is the driving force here. Far better security out of the box, especially in a research environment.

 

[AidenShaw]

Hey, nice to think of the possibility of a P4 laptop in bio...

I'm sure that there *are* far more P4 (and PM and P4M) laptops in bio than Power Books.... Not a "possibility", but a strong "probability"....


Besides, after several posts about "sensible" purchasing - the guy sticks out his tongue 9 times and says "I'm in love with the PB - I'll buy it whatever CPU it has...".

 

[true777]

Apple Rep confirmed PBs will get dual core proc

An Apple rep who came to Stanford University for a special event confirmed to me personally that the dual core processor is the one that will go into the next rev. of the Powerbooks (as a stopgap until the G5), citing continuing difficulties getting the G5 in the Powerbooks as the reason.

He seemed fairly excited about this move, but sounded like even the dual core revision might be some ways off (saying "eventually we will use..." when talking about the dual core chip).

This was about a week ago.

 

[AidenShaw]

one less Apple rep

An Apple rep who came to Stanford University for a special event confirmed to me personally ... about a week ago.

You probably cost the guy his job by mentioning this - The Lord God Jobs doesn't like leaks, and it'll be pretty easy to figure out who went to PA last week...

 

[sinacol]

A dual core G4 would beat up a single core G5. I can't see a reason why people are so fond of the idea that they can only work an hour like the latest dell desktop replacement....

 

[Maxx Power]

A dual core G4 would beat up a single core G5. I can't see a reason why people are so fond of the idea that they can only work an hour like the latest dell desktop replacement....

I'm pretty sure those Dell desktop replacements can be also used as space heaters when needed.

 

[AidenShaw]

what's wrong with choice?

A dual core G4 would beat up a single core G5. I can't see a reason why people are so fond of the idea that they can only work an hour like the latest dell desktop replacement....

...but Dell also has 2.9 lb Pentium M systems with much longer life batteries. Some people want power, and don't care about mobility - others are much more interested in lightweight, long-life systems.

There's no reason that Apple couldn't make a big, powerful G5 laptop in addition to the thin G4 PBs.

Make fun of the "desktop replacement" systems, but it's a big market! For many people, they are exactly the right choice.

 

[sinacol]

...but Dell also has 2.9 lb Pentium M systems with much longer life batteries. Some people want power, and don't care about mobility - others are much more interested in lightweight, long-life systems.

There's no reason that Apple couldn't make a big, powerful G5 laptop in addition to the thin G4 PBs.

Make fun of the "desktop replacement" systems, but it's a big market! For many people, they are exactly the right choice.

Freescale claims their dual core G4 only sucks 15 Watts. The reason I made fun about desktob replacements is why sould you build a desktop replacement the harms your health while carried around, if you could buid a system that has all the power you need whithout the fat enclosure....

People look at numbers like 3,2 Ghz Prescott....uhhh for checking email?
The same is true for the G5. Everybody wants to say they have the ultimate killer maschine - the processor isn't actualy faster, it waits faster like 99% idle 90 % of the time.

 

[guylafleur]

Finally, no more politics, just ibook speculation

Any of you folks want to tackle this small, but pleasant conundrum of mine?

I`m starting my grad thesis at the end of October, which is just about the time the new ibooks should be coming out. I`m no big power user, or creativity maven, but I`ve used my friend`s Mac, just fooling around, and grew to like it so much I decided the laptop I need is going to be a Mac.
I`ll be traveling around, only enough to justify my purchase while doing the thesis, and thought for the 12" ibook, it would be just purrrfect excuse.

Now the conundrum: The low power, high speed G4 outlined on this rumor would be sweeeet, but I`d have to wait at least 6 months, maybe a year for it. Do I dare wait????

I have a Dell P4 1.7 desktop, and it works ok, only had to re-format the hard-drive 3 times in the past 2 years because of viruses and bad drivers...Just installed XP SP2 to find it causing some nice freeze-ups, but I can get by. Saving my thesis to disket and the now multi-megabyte freemail Myway and Yahoo is my plan of attack in case things go wrong...and you just know they will.

Wait or buy? Bueller? Bueller? Anyone?

 

[G4-power]

...memory sockets that are compatible with DDR2, and so on.

One thing considering DDR2. Apple is probably not supporting DDR2 in the PB's before PowerMac's. Any idea how big changes must they do to the PowerMac architecture to get DDR2 in it?

PowerBooks were updated last April, so it's soon 6 months after that. The ideal update time in my opinion is 3-6 months, not a year what we've seen on the G5.
As for the PowerMac, I'm looking forward to the possiblity of 3 GHz in December-January. They should decrease the update intervals to 4-6 months, if they do that, I'm happy. Maybe a line-up of Dual 2, Dual 2.5 and Dual 3 GHz? Just my 2 cents, and this isn't a PowerMac thread anyway.

BTW, thatwendigo, your sig, isn't that from the "Think different" Apple commercial or whatever...let's see...found it. I like the part "Those who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do."

 

[Rocketman]

Any of you folks want to tackle this small, but pleasant conundrum of mine?

I`m starting my grad thesis at the end of October, which is just about the time the new ibooks should be coming out. I`m no big power user, or creativity maven, but I`ve used my friend`s Mac, just fooling around, and grew to like it so much I decided the laptop I need is going to be a Mac.
I`ll be traveling around, only enough to justify my purchase while doing the thesis, and thought for the 12" ibook, it would be just purrrfect excuse.

Now the conundrum: The low power, high speed G4 outlined on this rumor would be sweeeet, but I`d have to wait at least 6 months, maybe a year for it. Do I dare wait????

I have a Dell P4 1.7 desktop, and it works ok, only had to re-format the hard-drive 3 times in the past 2 years because of viruses and bad drivers...Just installed XP SP2 to find it causing some nice freeze-ups, but I can get by. Saving my thesis to disket and the now multi-megabyte freemail Myway and Yahoo is my plan of attack in case things go wrong...and you just know they will.

Wait or buy? Bueller? Bueller? Anyone?

I use a G4-15" and my kid uses a G4-12". My advise is opt for the larger screen if you do document work, especially with multiple open windows (research).

You will also find that while you think you will be using it "only for your thesis", that usage of a Mac is somewhat addictive. You will widen your goals as you use it and see it is "better" than your PC in almost every task.

Every new release is "insanely great" and installs buyers remorse in existing users. That is a major problem for the Apple marketing department, but for a user, Apple has "common sense" pricing and product positioning so the best rule of thumb is literally, buy now, and get the best one you can afford.

In that way Apple marketing is in the top of the computer industry far and away.

Rocketman

 

[thatwendigo]

One thing considering DDR2. Apple is probably not supporting DDR2 in the PB's before PowerMac's. Any idea how big changes must they do to the PowerMac architecture to get DDR2 in it?

The current 970 system design uses the U3 system controller as a northbridge, which mediates connection between the RAM and the processor. They'd need the newer, higher-pin sockets for DDR2 (which would block traditional 182-pin DDR memory), the wider data paths between the sockets and the chip, and a system controller that could access and use the new banks. It's not a huge engineering feat, but it's more than just changing the place you plug your ram sticks in.

As for the PowerMac, I'm looking forward to the possiblity of 3 GHz in December-January. They should decrease the update intervals to 4-6 months, if they do that, I'm happy. Maybe a line-up of Dual 2, Dual 2.5 and Dual 3 GHz? Just my 2 cents, and this isn't a PowerMac thread anyway.

I'm not sure we'll see the 3.0ghz chips before we see the 970MP, actually. There's a huge push amongst all the chipmakers to be the first to market with a a dual-core design, and IBM's already on the bandwagon. A dual-core 2.0-2.5ghz machine could very well perform better than a dual-processor 3.0ghz machine would.

It all comes down to the implementation.

BTW, thatwendigo, your sig, isn't that from the "Think different" Apple commercial or whatever...let's see...found it. I like the part "Those who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do."

Yes, it is.

 

[MikeBike]

You probably cost the guy his job by mentioning this - The Lord God Jobs doesn't like leaks, and it'll be pretty easy to figure out who went to PA last week...

I'm not sure Steve will fire the guy for this tidbit of info.
After all, we all know who supplies the chips Apple uses.
We've all seen the internals of the new IMac.
We all know Intel / Amd are now moving in the dual core direction.

Will Apple be left behind?
Under Steve it's hard to believe Apple would be left behind.
Of course, IBM could still surprise us and the source of this info.
A 65nm Dual Core G5 isn't impossible either?
A year is a long time from now.

 

[diehldun]

Oh, well if we're having a quote fight:

"Any man who is under thirty and not liberal has no heart. Any man that is over thirty and not conservative has no brain."
-ascribed to Winston Churchill

What does this have to do with the topic at hand? Does it even mean anything? Do I actually believe it?

Who knows? It sounds good and it makes me look intelligent, just like your quote does!





Uh... Why don't you come down off the high horse and start talking to people instead of at them, sparky?

You might find out that we have some shared beliefs about mistakes in the past and how many people don't seem interested in them. See, I'm not at all in favor of rampant consumerism and the culture that's encouraging us to move into what amounts to a new form of feudalism. You'd have found that out if you'd asked me instead of trying to browbeat me into accepting some point that you're really not getting to all that effectively or quickly.

What I'm not for is Marxism or other forms of "father knows best" destruction of personal rights, because either of the extremes is entirely repugnant and stifling of people in a different way. Complete freedom is anarchy, complete suckling at the teat of government is slavery - neither is ideal.




Uh, no.

You, sir, are a complete and utter hypocrite because "acknowledging" that your computer parts are part of some evil scheme to control us all and destroy the planet out of negligence, but buying them anyway, isn't at all useful. You can't harrangue someone for being ignorant and doing the very thing that you're doing, too, if you want to escape being labeled that way.

Stop buying computer parts that are made in sweatshops in countries with bad labor laws and personal freedoms. Stop buying your food from the congolomerates. Stop using oil-based products. Never buy diamonds.

Come on. Let's see you do something real, if you're going to try to nail me on this path. It may be small, but I already do something on this front... I buy produce from small, local farmers and co-cops whenever I can. I support companies with good labor practices when I have the option, and I pretty much avoid Wal-Mart. I drive a car with better than average mileage, don't just roam around unnecessarily, and otherwise try to help conserve the failing petroleum reserves. I give money and time to causes I believe in, whenever the opportunity and my circumstances allow. I support organic and free-range food with my purchases.

I don't just "accept" the truth, I try to do my little part to help out.



wit - n -

1. The natural ability to perceive and understand; intelligence.
2.
1. Keenness and quickness of perception or discernment; ingenuity. Often used in the plural: living by one's wits.
2. wits Sound mental faculties; sanity: scared out of my wits.
3.
1. The ability to perceive and express in an ingeniously humorous manner the relationship between seemingly incongruous or disparate things.
2. One noted for this ability, especially one skilled in repartee.
3. A person of exceptional intelligence.​

Hmmm. Wit seems to be entirely about intelligence and humor, with no mention of anything about information processing. How strange that my usage is correct...



There's something supremely ironic about using a computer to post on a messageboard that's running on another computer, just so someone using a third computer (and others) can read what you have to say about how computers are unnecessary. I just thought I'd point that out.



My computers just work. It's as simple as that.

Over the last twenty years, I've been owner or "administrator" of some twenty five Apple and Apple Macintosh computers. In that timeframe, I've had to put a machine in the shop three times for hardware failures and never for a software issue. There were some problems in the earlier version of the system - especially the clones' third party drivers - but they've largely been ironed out with OS X.

Since the new system was put out, I've had four kernel panics on seven machines I look after. That's it.

Yes, for me, macs just work.



The quote is "He who sacrifices essential liberty for a little security will have neither and deserve neither." It was Benjamin Franklin and he was talking about the willingness of people to compromise their basic rights in exchange for feeling safe, which I think can be applied to many Americans in the aftermath of September eleventh.

The horrible, stinking irony of this is that you're throwing it at me, when I'm one of the loudest, most voiciferous critics of the Patriot Act, Iraq war, DCMA, and other controversial and - in my opinion - stifling attempts to squelch the freedoms we're supposedly fighting for. You really, really dropped the ball on this one.

"These are ugly days, ugly times, ugly words.
From lies and disinformation, ignorance is born.
Can you smell the hatred being bred from fear?
And don't you understand that when you give your rights away,
There is no freedom left to die for?
Where has my country gone?"
-Justin Sane, "Where Has My Country Gone?"

WHAT THE HELL DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH APPLE???

 

[thatwendigo]

I'm not sure Steve will fire the guy for this tidbit of info.
After all, we all know who supplies the chips Apple uses.

Then you don't pay much attention to the iron control Steve likes to maintain over Apple's release schedule and marketing. Having someone far below him spill the beans is completely against what he wants to have happen, if the past is any indication, and there's at least anecdotal evidence that Jobs has fired people for doing just that.

Of course, IBM could still surprise us and the source of this info.
A 65nm Dual Core G5 isn't impossible either?

Given that IBM had such horrible issues at 90nm and lost their target point to them, I find it unlikely - at best - that we'll see another process shrink in the near future. In case you didn't bother to do much reading around the time that the G5 was hovering at 2.0ghz, IBM and other companies were saying how there were unexpected leakage and crosstalk issues with the smaller parts. These were so bad that they're all worried about the next move because it's likely to be exponentially worse than this most recent one, due to the ever-shrinking logic gates and their more tightly packed locations.

Freescale is going ahead with their research on it at the Crolles2 plant, and you can bet that AMD, Intel, and IBM are on the same trail. That doesn't mean that it'll happen, though, just like the Intel P-8 core turned into a head monster.

WHAT THE HELL DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH APPLE???

WHY ARE YOU ASKING ME, WHEN MAXX POWER STARTED IT?