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French Court Levies Fine Against Apple for Abusive App Store Practices
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Of course they aren't a monopoly. But the App Store is a monopoly within the platform and plenty of governments around the world have started to recognize that.
This one, yes. But we're seeing many cases all around the world addressing everything from payments to third party app stores. As they say, the writing is on the wall.
No, the reasons aren’t obvious unless you’re an apple activist. Your example is lemons to pineapples.
No, you want apple regulated so that its’ proprietary intellectual property is opened up. And yes aspects of businesses should be regulated. If you don’t like apple policies then get an android that has the functionality you want.
Activist? What are you blathering on about? I'm a 40 year customer. Between my personal spending and corporate spending for which I was responsible, I've given them A LOT of money. That's what I am. A customer.
And yes, it is obvious unless you're a hardcore fanboy who thinks Apple never does wrong. Like I said before, I believe general purpose computing platforms like iOS should be open in terms of what apps users may install and how users may use their devices. I think it's similar to communications. We decided that it's important to society, that it's in society's best interest, that communications be open, that everyone be given fair access. I think a general purpose platform like iOS should be treated in much the same way. That doesn't stop Apple from curating their store as they see fit. But they need to allow other stores or the ability to install software directly.
"vote with your dollars" works for things like what phone you buy. Buy android if you want multiple app stores to choose from. Students can hardly "vote with their dollars" when it comes to software that's required to take exams, or do you expect them to drop out just out of principle?
Oh gosh, hysterical much? I haven't argued for any of that. The only thing I've argued for is them not being a gatekeeper trying to nanny and control their customers. Nothing about iOS makes it impossible to install apps from outside the App Store. Their proprietary intellectual property is neither opened up nor compromised. What is compromised is their status as gatekeeper and censor. It isn't about "buy an Android" either. It's about what's right. Platforms should be open. It is dangerous on many levels to allow a single gatekeeper to control a platform that over a billion people use.
No. I expect them to use the app and download it from whatever app store has it. Just like they do on Windows and Mac today. And the sky hasn't fallen.
As I've said in other posts, I think when it comes to general purpose computing platforms, we're beyond vote with your dollars. Billions of people reply on these platforms. No one company should be allowed to play gatekeeper. It's in the public's best interest, just like it's in the public's best interest that there is fair and unrestricted access to communications and utilities.
Go make your own hardware, software and implement your own infrastructure but don’t expect people to give you are a free ride
The opposite of what you are spouting on about.
I'm a customer also. Not 40 years, but I gave Apple some pretty good corporate accounts in my time. I'm a customer also, but I am not singing the praises of governments who are regulating Apple, imo, in the wrong way.
Being a customer and shareholder I'm entitled to my opinion, just like you are.
I disagree. There is enough out there to find your perfect device. Don't like windows, linux exists. Don't like IOS, android exists.
That's the thing ask people if government is doing the right thing and you will get varied answers.
I disagree.
Less than some who are worried that Apple can remove apps at will.
I'm arguing, in spite of the legislation, they are entitled to be a gatekeeper. And we will see how they gatekeep gong forward. It is about get an android, you want Apple to build you an ecosystem to your specifications. It doesn't work that way.
Actually, in the EU, every purchase of a phone comes with a copy of the operating system that the user can use as they wish.
People have voted with their wallets and picked the closed platform in droves. Maybe people WANT the choice of a closed platform. Why should government dictate that a closed platform can't exist? In Europe (where the law is now forcing apple), iOS has 15% of the smartphone market. 15%. That's not a monopoly position. Being closed is a market differentiator for them.
The same sort of thing can be said about most products that have large market share. Consumers and/or retailers and vendors "voted with their wallets." That doesn’t mean they should be allowed to potentially abuse their monopoly power (e.g., Google/Android and Apple/iOS have nearly 100% share of mobile OS market). By restricting competitive app stores and sideloading, some believe Apple is abusing its monopoly power in mobile OS.
It has never been about monopoly.
In EU being a monopoly isn’t illegal. Only abusing your position is of interest.
Not a single court in EU cares if you’re a monopoly.
They already have done this thousands of times. They constantly helps authoritarian governments to suppress their people
They don’t need to, we are asking them to stop giving a damn what we do with our devices. We are asking them to stop babysitting us. Stop wasting resources preventing us from installating unverified content going against their moral panicking grannies
The good outweighs the bad as unchecked sideloading can have disastrous lawful consequences. Pick your poison.
We are requesting that those who want a device that suits your purposes, buy android. If a device doesn't meet your requirements don't buy it.
Oh, by all means, point me to the disastrous consequences that occurred due to sideloading being possible on any device that doesn't run iOS since the 80's.
Sideloading with a side of FUD? Where do I sign?
Just have to see what scammers are trying to do now. It's now hard to envision how it could go down. Apple having complete control of the app store is the best policy.
You can sign anywhere you like. I'll sign where Apple control is good.
You said:
What they shouldn't have is control over the entire platform.
In fact, they should have control over their one app store.
What they shouldn't have is control over the entire platform.
Yes, they should. Thank you for clarifying. The app store, platform and ecosystem is not a public utility like the water company; which by their very nature there are no competitors. Governments are looking to make the platform into a public utility.
Why are you inflating the terms "app store", "platform" and "ecosystem"? They all mean very different things:
1. The Apple App Store is the app where you can find and download other apps. (This is different from "app store", uncapitalized, which in concept is the same thing but is not run or managed by Apple)
2. The platform is iOS (and iPadOS, I guess)
3. The ecosystem is all of Apple's devices, which come together to create a cohesive user experience.
Apple has the right to manage (1) and (3) however they see fit. However, due to their market position, they're being stopped from interfering with public usage of (2), which is what this is all about.
I'd argue cell phones are a public utility; try living without one and see how well you manage. Many banks and workplaces now require some sort of mobile device.
You seem to think these regulation are aimed at making Apple a state-owned company, but that's not the case. The intent is to open up the platform (2) to third-party apps and reduce Apple's power over the platform (2). As you can see, the App Store (1) and the ecosystem (3) aren't impacted.
In fact, I'd say these regulations actually encourage competition, both among developers and with Apple.
Again, that is not the case.
Apple has the right to manage #3 as. They are in a minority market position. At any rate, we can disagree on what laws we find good and bad that the government enacts and we don't have to agree.
The iphone isn't a public utility. Cell phones have been around since 1960s. It's my opinion, we can live without a smartphone, I however, can't live without a decent portable computer, hot spot etc. A smartphone provides convenience.
Yes, that is my opinion.
It's not legislation I support and as I said above, we are entitled to our opinions of the legislation we support, or not.
No, it encourages the decline of the ios ecosystem.
Anyway, we just don't agree.