Sure, having the government change the requirements is one way to do it. Not the best way. The best way is to vote with your $$$, that sends a clear message.
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Saying sideloading will exacerbate the malware issue is also an objective statement.
None of this is about an individuals requirements it is about Apple/Google ability to harm other businesses.
As if any particular group of users would make a difference considering Apple's value
If only that were true. Companies that lack the expertise to compete against apple crying wolf.
Really? Spotify complained and their service is outstripping Apples by miles despite Apples best efforts to damage their business.
I'd say Spotify is getting pretty good value for $99/year plus 15% on a few legacy subscriptions.
They are crying wolf and yet more subscribers but AM revenue is far greater. Which is better 1 million free subscribers or 10,000 paying subscribers?
That's silly. Creating a third-party development platform is more than just saying "here's what I use". But more importantly, forcing a company to open up third-party development on their own product is unprecedented.
Can you provide an example of the EU forcing a company to allow third-party development on a platform that doesn't allow it?
Apple has no obligation to allow access to private frameworks under the DMA. They can still require apps to be approved and signed.
Creating a platform has a bit more "barrier to entry" than "a web server and a payment processor." There are plenty of platforms that charge for access. It's a completely normal business practice.
What cases are you referring to? They didn't get permission. They've been charging game developers since consoles began 40 years ago.
And, again, does Microsoft magically lower their fees once the subisidies are recovered?
I keep hearing that but I still haven't seen the relevant part of the DMA that allows Apple to be a gatekeeper in other's stores.
They don't have to, but there's no mechanism in place to block an app from using private frameworks; so far only Apple's App Store approval process has been doing all the blocking
The gatekeeper shall not be prevented from taking, to the extent that they are strictly necessary and proportionate, measures to ensure that third-party software applications or software application stores do not endanger the integrity of the hardware or operating system provided by the gatekeeper, provided that such measures are duly justified by the gatekeeper.
Furthermore, the gatekeeper shall not be prevented from applying, to the extent that they are strictly necessary and proportionate, measures and settings other than default settings, enabling end users to effectively protect security in relation to third-party software applications or software application stores, provided that such measures and settings other than default settings are duly justified by the gatekeeper.
Digital Markets Act
*strictly necessary and duly justified*
I would love to see Apple trying to find a reason why they'd have to approve every app anyways
You supplied a reason yourself. To make sure they aren't using private APIs that could affect stability and security.
But sideloaded apps today (when paying the developer tax to Apple) don't have to be approved and can use private APIs, therefore I don't think that's a good justification.
Also, even if iOS apps could use private APIs, there are systems in place to guarantee stability.
I think we can all acknowledge the difference between developer access and consumer access.
Maybe, maybe not. Many APIs are private specifically because they are not ready for release.
Apple Music Revenue and Usage Statistics (2025)
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Spotify Revenue and Usage Statistics (2025)
Spotify is the world’s biggest music streaming platform by number of subscribers. Users of the service simply need to register to have access to one of the largest collections of music in history, plus podcasts and other audio content. It operates on a freemium model. Free Spotify access comes...
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Apple Music Revenue and Usage Statistics (2025)
iTunes and the iPod revolutionized the music industry in the early 2000s, as the hardware and software duo which popularized singles over albums and allowed users to store thousands of songs on a single device. That now seems quaint, but for over a decade it was the way most people listened to...
Spotify Revenue and Usage Statistics (2025)
Spotify is the world’s biggest music streaming platform by number of subscribers. Users of the service simply need to register to have access to one of the largest collections of music in history, plus podcasts and other audio content. It operates on a freemium model. Free Spotify access comes...
Yeah you didnt read those did you.
That says Spotifys revenue is circa double Apple Music.
Ya, you didn't notice where it talks about Spotify making a profit. And also didn't notice where it says apple pays the artists better.
Also "Apple does not break out revenue for Apple Music. This estimate is based on total global streaming revenue, Apple Music’s market share and comparisons to Spotify." So the revenue could be higher (or lower).
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Yeah, you've moved the goalposts. 👇
Also no mention of Apple Music being independently profitable.
Spotify has 195 million paying subscribers. It is almost certain that their revenue is higher than Apple Music.
The links you provided put AM at $5 billion and Spotify at around $10 billion. There isn't any question at all about which of those services is doing better.
Apple also don't pay artists more. Those numbers are based on Apples own entirely misleading claims.
Well I take my cue from those I debate.
No but there is mention of spotify making a profit.
Wrong 7.7 vs 9.6 for 2021; well within some margin of error for a guesstimate. And my link is more accurate than your link. (Go ahead prove which one is right or better). You're welcome to the last word on this. Have at it.
Yeah I took the numbers from the sources that you provided but given that it provides two completely different numbers for AMs 2021 revenue i'd say that's enough to call into question the accuracy of the source.
Both on the same page ..
It’s as objective as the opposite statement. No data exist that supports any such fear mongering. Courts care only about evidence not speculation.
Well it’s the only way when voting with your dollars are impossible. I can’t use steam on any phone so the best I can do is force apple to allow it so I can ask steam to perhaps do it in the future.
There’s zero difference as the developer is the only one who have access.
Apple would have to prove that. If apple is using the APIs then a developer should be able to use it as well.
And I’m confident you don’t know what an API even is. They aren’t copyright protected. And similar to a dictionary in their function.
And a developer can just make their own API when insufficient documentation exists.