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...and the uninformed come out in force...

Things are different here in western Europe. We pay much higher taxes, everything costs a lot more (search for the price of anything and compare it to what we pay) and we end up with a lot less disposable income when compared to a similar job in the US.

As a result of this, we expect a fair trade-off in working conditions.

So yes, some of these things might sound crazy to you guys, but you need to compare it in context.

that's right

this is an easy one... let em go! striking is just another way of temporarily quitting... if its anything like it is here, apple will have no problem hiring a group of people to replace these folks and they'll move right along. such a no-brainer here for apple.

yeah, like everyone can be hired and immediately start working? don't they need any training? of course they do.

13th month of salary? No wonder Europe is broke!

well, it doesn't look like you are doing too good either.
 
Friday's French Headline

"Dozens of Apple Employees Striking in Vacant Lot"

I'm thinking they will use IOS 6 Maps to "find" the strike location :D
 
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Funny thing is, it's mostly down to American banking.

Sure, American banking caused European banks to go out and buy up billions of dollars of worthless securities, as well as billions of dollars of Greek and Spanish bonds. There were real estate bubbles all across Europe (Ireland, Spain), and banking bubbles that would have burst anyway (Iceland) even if the US financial crisis never happened.
 
And still the french and other europeans, are on average slimmer than people from the USA. So we must do something right.
 
taking it in context

...and the uninformed come out in force...

Things are different here in western Europe. We pay much higher taxes, everything costs a lot more (search for the price of anything and compare it to what we pay) and we end up with a lot less disposable income when compared to a similar job in the US.
I've lived in Brazil, where I first learned about a 13-month salary, so no, it's not just a European thing. However, while asking for more from your employer, you might also ask why everything costs more. Any chance things like a 13-month salary and vouchers might have anything to do with it? If you continually increase costs to those who set prices, you eventually just increase prices for those who pay the costs.
 
Seriously France?

French people just love to strike. In France, a 'full-time' work week is 35 hours and companies are required to give workers 2.5 days of paid vacation each month. That's 5 WEEKS OF PAID LEAVE EVERY YEAR.

But I guess they need those water fountains. :rolleyes:
 
Most countries in the EU have it part of their labor laws that companies must guarantee 13 paychecks per year (paid monthly), with many companies often offering 14th or 15th salary as well.

When I visit Europe people always look at me puzzled when I tell them in the US most people get 24 paychecks per year (twice per month). Usually, an explanation then ensues trying to teach them basic math. Your annual take home minus lunch benefits minus healthcare minus taxes is still the same, no matter how many paychecks you receive in one year. Ironically, most people don't get it.

I'm saving this news item for future reference every time someone from outside the US complains about the prices on Apple (and any other goods) being higher.

Free to recipient ≠ free of cost.
 
...and the uninformed come out in force...

Things are different here in western Europe. We pay much higher taxes, everything costs a lot more (search for the price of anything and compare it to what we pay) and we end up with a lot less disposable income when compared to a similar job in the US.

As a result of this, we expect a fair trade-off in working conditions.

So yes, some of these things might sound crazy to you guys, but you need to compare it in context.

Seems like an infinite loop to me........

Pay higher % in taxes, ask for more pay and benefits to make up for it, pay more taxes on those, ask for more pay to cover those, pay more taxes on that..... You get the drift.
 
...and the uninformed come out in force...

Things are different here in western Europe. We pay much higher taxes, everything costs a lot more (search for the price of anything and compare it to what we pay) and we end up with a lot less disposable income when compared to a similar job in the US.

As a result of this, we expect a fair trade-off in working conditions.

So yes, some of these things might sound crazy to you guys, but you need to compare it in context.

Ok, then why take the job at Apple in the first place? It's not like they took the extra 13th month away. This IS the problem. Apple should agree, and say, yep, all NEW employees will get this benefit. :) The rest of you can go home or keep quiet. They accepted a job at a certain pay and benefits. Probably didn't sign a contract, but an agreement just the same. Now they want to change the rules. Great. I'm sure there's a ton of teens that are happy to take their place. It's not brain surgery to teach someone how to sell a certain product.

Lets act like grown ups here. "Hi boss I'd like a raise." "No." "Then I strike." "Then you're fired, goodbye."

Ridiculous. Go work somewhere else if it's so bad. End of story.
 
hahahahahaha, typical French, they have always and will always strike over anything, or do things like blockades at major ports till they get what they want.

Not surprising it's economy is going down the toilet really..
 
Water fountains is probably the only legitimate complaint here. The meal vouchers one is kind of extreme too. Since when does your job not only give you a lunch break but also pay for your food? A lot of Europeans like to complain about America, but at least we only require pay for when we work and we provide our own lunch and dinner.

EDIT* The 13th month thing makes more sense to me upon further explanation and isn't entirely unreasonable.
 
Protesting "working conditions?" No drinking fountain? No meal vouchers? No free month's pay? Really? They work in an Apple Store, not a sweatshop. Wow. Just wow. :rolleyes:

Yeah,Wow!
France is a great country!
I lived there and it was a wonderful experience.
 
"help me! help me! I cant take care of myself!"

Maybe they should lower taxes and reduce government benefits instead of demanding more from companies which in turn jacks up prices of products and services to customers. Then customers go elsewhere and stores close and people get fired. Over taxation is bad. Just look at the 3 largest states in the US. CA, NY and IL. Heavily taxed, heavily unionized and on the bring of bankruptcy.

People have a hard time with this concept. It goes against the "help me! help me! I cant take care of myself!" attitude that is taking over the world. :( For me, less government, less benefits, less free stuff, and more money in my pocket that i can make money with, save and spend on what i want. I will take responsibility for my own life and do it better than the government ever would. If you are one of the helpless losers, you want the opposite. Less money and responsibility in your own incompetent hands, and more in the governments because you cant trust yourself, so you would rather trust the government to think for you.
 
Dear Americans ridiculing the 13th month of pay,

Do you get a bonus at the end of the year? Yes? Well that's your 13th month of pay.

Love and kisses,

Socialist Europe.
 
The sad thing is, since not all the Apple employees are part of this striking union, the ones who do work tomorrow will have to work harder. And will probably resent their coworkers who don't show up.
 
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