From Steve Jobs' Biography: "I'm going to destroy Android"

[KnightWRX]

when the competitor OS vendor is blatantly ripping off ideas from iOS are you surprised that there is a blacklash?

I'm surprised people keep claiming this yet can't point out all these "blatant" features that are copied from iOS. 🙄

Android and iOS are different. Face it, any "copying" is a matter of subjective perception and probably is nothing more than something that's purely obvious (icons! No seriously! They have icons too!).

 

[adder7712]

I'm surprised people keep claiming this yet can't point out all these "blatant" features that are copied from iOS. 🙄

Android and iOS are different. Face it, any "copying" is a matter of subjective perception and probably is nothing more than something that's purely obvious (icons! No seriously! They have icons too!).

If it's a blatant copy, it will look EXACTLY like iOS. No don't bring up Touch-Wiz, the only thing remotely similar is the app drawer and yet it feels different.

 

[KnightWRX]

If it's a blatant copy, it will look EXACTLY like iOS. No don't bring up Touch-Wiz, the only thing remotely similar is the app drawer and yet it feels different.

The App Drawer. Icons! In a grid! Hello, all GUIs since the 80s called, they want their file explorer concept back. 🙄

If that's all people can come up with when they want to claim "blatant" copying, they have a very weak case.

However, a strong case can be made for iOS notifications. Now come on, if that isn't blatant, I don't know what people think the word means.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

If it's a blatant copy, it will look EXACTLY like iOS. No don't bring up Touch-Wiz, the only thing remotely similar is the app drawer and yet it feels different.

you can ask that question and here is the funny part they can not come up with an answer other than
It touch base OS-- plenty of touch based OS prior to the iPhone
Multi touch -- Again not really. Beside do not try to argue that multi touch was not coming.

Capativitive touch screen -- Nope again iPhone was not the first and multiple other phones that way already.

Simple truth to the matter is the phone OS was going touch screen based. Capacities screens were starting to hit the market. Technology has reach the point of being cost effective and robusted enough to do it.

 

[holycat]

Android changed a LOT from the iPhone. I don't even find them any more similar than Windows Phone 7 and iPhone are. Especially before iOS took Android's notification bar. iOS has the dock and a home screen of app shortcuts. Android has a dock, yes (a concept already on every desktop OS), but instead of a homescreen full of app shortcuts it has a customizable homescreen with app widgets and shortcuts and everything then a drawer all the apps go in. Android had desktop backgrounds before iPhone too, remember that (though not a terribly original concept, as the lack of backgrounds on the first iPhone was stupid).

Some concepts like "pinching" to zoom are just incredibly natural replications of the real world. The iPhone wasn't really that unique, if anything just very simplified and polished. Android did the same kinda thing, but in a very different way.

Now, Samsung, with their custom overlay - "TouchWiz" on Android, THAT is another story (on the phones and original Galaxy Tab, which is why I find the Galaxy Tab 10.1 lawsuits hilarious. The Tab 10.1 doesn't even resemble the iPad in software and the only similar looks are thin and black LOL)...

I don't quite follow your argument here. To me, your some of arguments contradicted itself.

When Android adapted the iOS's :
1) multi-toouch gesture - you referred as a "natural replication".
2) dock concept - you said it is an old concept that presence in every OS.

But when iOS took the alleged Android's:
1) notification bar
2) wall paper
Come on, the notification bar concept is very similar to the dashboard widget concept that presence in Mac OSX since 10 years ago!

Android approach - gives users immature experimental implementations
iOS approach - gives users only the perfect and fully functional implementations

 

[kdarling]

The Fandroids keep on overlooking one very important point: Google doesn't make any money on it.

Besides feeding their ad revenue stream, Google apps such as voice search, gmail, maps and navigation are not part of Android but must be licensed from Google.

2) Google actually gets more than 70% of its "mobile search" revenue from iOS devices.

True, Google is making tons of money from BOTH their own Android AND from iOS devices. Considering your figure plus the fact that they kick back over $100 million a year to Apple for searches, Google could possibly be making a billion dollars a year from Apple users right now. Nice position to be in.

Thats because, contrary to the deluded Fandroids opinions, most people who buy the wretched Samsungs and HTCs don't spend that much time browsing the internet.

By definition, Google doesn't get mobile search revenue from people browsing the internet. They get it from searches, which are actually much easier to do on Android devices due to a dedicated search button.

3) But wait! Apple just introduced Siri - which will let people find gas stations and Thai food restaurants without involving Google at all.... Wonder what that is going to do for Google's mobile search revenue stream?

Probably keeps it the same, as Apple still has to ask Google for the info to respond to a Siri search with.

However, you're onto something here. As I pointed out the other day, searches that come from Apple servers are probably sanitized of user info, thus robbing Google of any related user demographic information.

4) Google's "Android Partners" are getting whacked time and again with patent infringement suits.

Apple gets "whacked" about as often. They had to pay Nokia. They had to pay for Visual Voice Mail. Motorola, HTC, and Samsung are suing them.

Not just Apple either: HTC and Samsung are already paying Microsoft. At what point do these guys start looking elsewhere?

True, that might be an incentive for them to also build Windows phones. Btw, Apple is paying Microsoft as well, to license ActiveSync.

5) Then there's Google's (puzzling) Motorola acquisition. MMI seems unlikely to provide the sort of "patent shield" Google was hoping for.

Unknown as yet. The good news is that MMI still has over $3 billion in cash reserves, so they can glide along for years at their current rate even if they never made a profit.

My prediction is that four years from now we'll be talking about Android with the same level of pity and disdain we now reserve for RIM and Symbian.

Doubtful, but I bet there could be more open source OSs in wide play. Tizen, for instance, apparently was born out of Meego and Maemo.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

I don't quite follow your argument here. To me, your some of arguments contradicted itself.

When Android adapted the iOS's :
1) multi-toouch gesture - you referred as a "natural replication".
2) dock concept - you said it is an old concept that presence in every OS.

Sorry you can not really nail Android on the Gesture. You have pinch to zoom and the scrolling. Both of which had been around since multitouch was being used which was long before the iPhone. it was all in industry and was already in play.

Dock conecept, Sorry even Palm OS from way back when had something like that. Add to it Window CE had it as well. So again not special to iOS.

Grid layout. OMG check this old photo out

That is pre iPhone. You can go back even older if you would like.

 

[Winni]

Look at smartphones prior to the first iPhone in 2007. Then look at them after the first iPhone was released. Anyone doesn't see what I'm talking about is an idiot.

Yeah, and isn't it amazing that the Android project was started already in the year 2003 by a former Apple employee and that Google bought the company Android Inc already in the year 2005 -- that's two years before the first iPhone was introduced? According to several sources on the web, Android was even offered to Apple before the iPhone was announced, but officially Apple was not interested in the software. Evil tongues might now ask how many ideas Apple took from Android and put them into their own OS X-based operating system.

Based upon the fact that Android has been under development longer than iOS, calling Android a "stolen product" must come from a very distorted perception of reality. On the other hand, it's just the typical Apple propaganda that has been working so well for them since the 1980s...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(operating_system)

 

[AidenShaw]

refreshing that the bio isn't going to be a fairy tale

This story (and a couple of others here and elsewhere based on the release of the book to the media) is refreshing in that it appears that the biography will be honest - and not whitewashed into portraying Jobs as the god that many Apple fans seem to believe.

Apple is a public company, and it was never in Jobs' power to squander $40B on what was essentially a personal vendetta.

I hope that Tim decides to reverse course, before government agencies start to inquire into anti-competitive practices. (And stories like this from Jobs' bio will give the agencies places to look at....)

 

[holycat]

Sorry you can not really nail Android on the Gesture. You have pinch to zoom and the scrolling. Both of which had been around since multitouch was being used which was long before the iPhone. it was all in industry and was already in play.

Dock conecept, Sorry even Palm OS from way back when had something like that. Add to it Window CE had it as well. So again not special to iOS.

Grid layout. OMG check this old photo out
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That is pre iPhone. You can go back even older if you would like.

The original attempt of my previous reply was to knock down his logic Apple copy Android's idea but not Android copy iOS's idea. Both copy each other, I have no doubt of it.

If you wanna to argue the history of dock concept - come on, dock is present in Apple Newton which is way older than Palm OS and Window CE!!

FYI, this is way before Palm OS era.
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[JForestZ34]

Is this for real? What a hypocrite.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU

HAHA typical CEO stealing from others but calling foul when it gets stolen from him...

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 5_0 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/534.46 (KHTML, like Gecko) Mobile/9A334) The 4S is fantastic, and anyone with the slightest knowledge of iPhone refresh cycles would have expected a 4S.

Funny seemed like all the fanboys were certain a iphone 5 was going to be released

I can paraphrase to, "I don't care about the money - I want you gone. I don't want you as a competitor"

See how that works?

Personally I think both OSs learned from each other. You could argue that Android had iOS to learn from first - but Apple certainly borrowed/learned from other OSs as well. In this technology "war" - there are no innocents.

X2

So I am curious as to how the Android defenders on here feel about being cattle on the Google farm. Do you enjoy using a smartphone OS from a company that does not give a rat's arse about you or your privacy?

Apple did the same thing when their iOS was storing your map data for collection purposes....

i find this weird.

jobs himself said 10 years ago in a video, that the best ideas comes from borrowing other things from other products.

YouTube: video

It's fine for apple to take ideas from other companies for their use but when some other companies do it the fanboys are all over it...

Would he really have risked the whole company on some personal vendetta?

That is not a man of sound mind. After working so hard to get the comapny to where it is and then risk it all sound rather petty and childish.

As for the post earlier in this thread, I think one person has created 20 accounts to make himself look popular.

When you want to control everything, it makes perfect sense... Which is a big downfall....



James

 

[AcE XBOX]

Yeah, God knows if Apple took the same exact insides from the iPhone 4S, but put them in a new shell, Android would be all like "No!!!1! We're gonna stop copying now! Bummer dude!! Weaksauce forever!!!" 🙄

And Flash? Really? Does anyone really miss Flash on their iPhone or iPad? I don't. First, my battery lasts longer without it. Second, my device isn't chugging to load that crap. Third, it's a virus portal that I don't have to worry about. And fourth, Flash barely works on a lot of mobile devices anyway.

Yes. When my laptop broke and I was stuck with using my iPad to do all my browsing with. Biggest disappointment of all time. Half the sites I visited were absolutely useless because they required flash in one way or another. I tried using it for a couple of nights and it was absolutely inconvenient. After the second night I decided to walk into best buy first thing in the morning and pick up another laptop.

I work at a cell phone company and a lot of the time people stay away from the iphone or ipad because of the lack of flash support. If apple were to support flash I'd probably switch from android over.

With that being said, my touchpad owns my ipad when it comes to browsing. And now with Android support, my parents can have the ipad.

Before I get called a hater, remember that I do own an ipad 1, and I carry an iphone 4 and thunderbolt with me at all times.

 

[vitzr]

After reading this post I'm a bit concerned about Apple. I'm not sure there's anyone as vindictive (or is it passionate?) as Steve Gotti, oops, I mean John Jobs, darn it I slipped again... Uh Steve Jobs, yeah that's his name.

Just Kidding, I never did like flish, oops, flush, darn... I really meant flash.

How will Apple go on without the "passion" ?

You've got to admit humor is worth billions 🙂

 

[dkersten]

Totally agree. Flash would have brought over a lot of on-the-fence Android users.

No, not at all. Only about 5% of people with Android care about flash, or even know what flash is. Most people that buy Androids aren't techies. Most people buy them because they are cheap and/or because different models look different. But, flash is in NO way the reason for Android success/ iOS failure (for lack of a better word)

 

[KnightWRX]

No, not at all. Only about 5% of people with Android care about flash, or even know what flash is.

Really ?

https://market.android.com/details?...1bGwsMSwyLDEsImNvbS5hZG9iZS5mbGFzaHBsYXllciJd

Says right there there's 10,000,000-50,000,000 million installs. Are you saying there's 200,000,000 - 1,000,000,000 Android devices out there ?

EDIT: look at the rating on that thing, I thought Flash sucked on Android 😱

 

[toddybody]

"Im going to destroy Android".

I only say such dramatic things when Im at Pizza Hut...like, Im gonna destroy this Personal Pan Pepperoni Pizza. People just know to steer clear and watch out (it's pretty obvious that Im a bad ass)

 

[awesomator]

Even if Android did steal some of apples ideas I must say I think if Jobs was in googles shoes he would be doing the same thing the google guys are now.

 

[TheMacBookPro]

🙄

 

[andrewlgm]

I've never heard such stupidity. I doubt this quote is from steve jobs. The guy had brains and he knew whatever apple put out would be copied by others no matter what - In the same manner the first apple computer copied xerox's graphical interface and made it available for the masses, and in the same manner that Gates stole apple's interface and made windows universal. Apple copied creative's interface and file organization for the iPod - the solution? They had to pay creative cash.

And that's the solution to everything. Android is going nowhere. And as long as apple continues the innovation, I'm a buyer. The moment google surpasses them with a better product, I'll be a google costumer.

 

[Harrybarracuda]

Doubtful, but I bet there could be more open source OSs in wide play. Tizen, for instance, apparently was born out of Meego and Maemo.

I can't see how yet another iteration of a failed OS is likely to be a hit. But on the throwing darts blindfolded principle, if they keep coming up with new OS's, one of them might catch on.

Moblin - Fail.
Meego - Fail.
Maemo - Fail.
Limo - Fail.
Tizen?

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By the way, how does anyone know the author of this book isn't just "widening the brim of the hat"?

It's not as if Jobs is around to correct him, is it?

 

[marksman]

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Android is in a (deserved) world of hurt.

The Fandroids keep on overlooking one very important point: Google doesn't make any money on it. And pretty soon its going to end up costing Google a great deal of money just to keep going. Consider the following:

1) Google is very likely to end up having to pay Oracle a settlement in the billions of dollars for infringing on Java copyrights and patents. Thats for past infringment - its also going to have to pay a $3-10 per handset fee for new activations.

2) Google actually gets more than 70% of its "mobile search" revenue from iOS devices. Thats because, contrary to the deluded Fandroids opinions, most people who buy the wretched Samsungs and HTCs don't spend that much time browsing the internet. (They certainly don't spend much money on Applications.)

3) But wait! Apple just introduced Siri - which will let people find gas stations and Thai food restaurants without involving Google at all.... Wonder what that is going to do for Google's mobile search revenue stream?

4) Google's "Android Partners" are getting whacked time and again with patent infringement suits. Not just Apple either: HTC and Samsung are already paying Microsoft. At what point do these guys start looking elsewhere?

5) Then there's Google's (puzzling) Motorola acquisition. MMI seems unlikely to provide the sort of "patent shield" Google was hoping for. Instead it seems mainly to be sowing suspicion and discord amongs Google's "Android Partners" - and who can blame them.

My prediction is that four years from now we'll be talking about Android with the same level of pity and disdain we now reserve for RIM and Symbian.

Google will eol android in 36-48 months. They will have a new mobile os, likely based on chrome and it will be moved on their own hardware. The only active android development at that point will be from amazon.

I wonder what the android gang will do when it ceases to ever be upgraded and manufacturers move to windows mobile

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My prediction is that four years from now we'll be talking about Android with the same level of pity and disdain we now reserve for RIM and Symbian.

Sounds more like desire than prediction. And somehow I don't think you could be more wrong.

Google will drop android. Microsoft makes more off it then they do. Not being able to integrate hardware and software guarantees an inferior product. Google will shift gears so they can try and compete with apple.

 

[ChazUK]

Google will drop android.

Google will eol android in 36-48 months....

Isn't posting the same thing over again against the rules? Do we really need the same content in two subsequent posts?

What you are posting is pure speculation at this time with absolutely no foundation for reality. I would guess that the user data made available to Google via Android is invaluable.

Would Google really want to live in a world where Apple and Microsoft control all of that data?

Perhaps you are like Dorothy? Just click your heels three times and repeat, “Google will end Android.”, “Google will end Android.”, “Google will end Android.”....

 

[Harrybarracuda]

Google will drop android. Microsoft makes more off it then they do. Not being able to integrate hardware and software guarantees an inferior product. Google will shift gears so they can try and compete with apple.

I don't see why. It's a superb vehicle to channel what they seek most as a seller of advertising: consumer information.

Microsoft make more money out of Android than they do out of WP7.

Being able to offer a variety of hardware and software options guarantees a wider variety of vendor choices and thus more consumers.

And as for Google being able to compete with Apple, do you live in a cave or something?

 

[Harrybarracuda]

Interesting rumours abound today that Jobs was trying to get the iPhone 5 out as his last big thing. Apparently the 4S would have been released in June, but Siri wasn't ready. Neither was Foxconn ready to hit the manufacturing volumes for the holiday season.

But the problem being mooted now is that the iPhone 5 will be ready for launch in June next year, with the 4S then being repositioned as the iPhone 5 "lite".

Bit of a bugger for those that sign up for 12 or 24 month 4S contracts.

 

[lllll]

I think Android is pretty happy that Steve is gone. 😀