Front Camera Lens on Future iPhones Could Be Hidden With Special 'Pure Black' Coating

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    iPhone camera lens supplier Largan Precision is developing a special black coating for front-facing smartphone camera lenses, according to Jeff Pu, an analyst at Chinese investment firm GF Securities.


    Pu's research note, shared by Taiwanese publications Economic Daily News and MoneyDJ, claims that one or two smartphone makers could adopt the technology as early as 2020. Given that Largan already has a relationship with Apple, it is speculated that the special coating could be applied to future iPhones.

    A translated version of the Economic Daily News report says the special coating would allow the front camera lens to "completely disappear." A translation of the MoneyDJ report says the coating will be "pure black," eliminating the "small spots" like those visible in the notch on the iPhone X and newer.

    The front camera lens already blends into the notch pretty well on iPhones, but it is visible from certain angles and lighting conditions. The special coating would presumably make the lens completely invisible to the eye.

    Apple design chief Jony Ive has long dreamed of an iPhone that resembles a single sheet of glass, and hiding the front camera lens would be yet another step towards that goal, even if it sounds like an insignificant change. This is the first time we've heard this rumor, however, so treat it with some skepticism.

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  2. MaxSto macrumors member


    Sep 26, 2015
    Mönchengladbach, Germany
    We don´t want invisible cameras. We want better cameras.
  3. Basic75 macrumors 6502

    May 17, 2011
    As long as there's a notch, is it really a problem that the camera is "visible from certain angles and lighting conditions"? I don't think so.
  4. Baymowe335 macrumors 601

    Oct 6, 2017
    It's clear we are headed toward total edge to edge screens without compromise.
  5. Wiesenlooser macrumors 6502a

    Jul 9, 2010
    Pretty misleading headline. Thought they were trying to get rid of the notch, but in reality it is just making the camera less sparkly.
  6. Baymowe335 macrumors 601

    Oct 6, 2017
    We'll get both.
  7. ouimetnick macrumors 68020


    Aug 28, 2008
    Beverly, Massachusetts
    If he wants it to be a sheet of glass, you are going to have to hide the protruding rear camera.
  8. iapplelove macrumors 601


    Nov 22, 2011
    East Coast USA
    Why not both?
  9. MacFan23 macrumors 6502

    Feb 17, 2010
    "Front Camera Lens on Future iPhones Could Be Invisible With Special 'Pure Black' Coating", did the headline change since this comment was posted?
  10. Hazmat401 macrumors regular


    Dec 29, 2017
    Delaware County, Pa
  11. Janschi macrumors member

    Jul 31, 2013
    Nice so you don’t know where the lens is to look into it. ****** idea imo
  12. highvoltage12v macrumors 6502


    Mar 27, 2014
    What we all want is the camera to be hiding behind a subset of pixels that turn off when the camera is in use. AKA an all display phone with the front facing camera hiding.
  13. MrGuder macrumors 68030

    Nov 30, 2012
    They must do something quick because the camera bumps are becoming mountains of late. I use to think my 6s camera stuck out but it’s flush compared to iPhones of late.
  14. bmot macrumors regular

    Feb 25, 2016
    The article is misleading quoting Jony Ive talking about a notchless screen. Having a black coating means the camera wont be visible on a black background, but it doesn't imply in any way a under the screen camera placement.
  15. jaredlipsitz macrumors regular

    Aug 27, 2010
    Well you'll know that it' the top of your phone...near the middle.
  16. cocky jeremy macrumors 601

    cocky jeremy

    Jul 12, 2008
    Columbus, OH
    I'd be willing to bet you don't even have an iPhone with a notch, huh?
  17. thebeans macrumors 6502

    Feb 9, 2009
    Can never happen. There has to be a bezel or notch for cameras / sensors. No way around it.
  18. martyjmclean macrumors 6502


    Jan 24, 2018
    Sydney, NSW, Australia
    Because you won't be able to see yourself on the screen? Didn't think about that one at all, did you?
  19. Baymowe335 macrumors 601

    Oct 6, 2017
    Yeah, usually not a good idea to proclaim something in tech isn't possible. We always move forward.
  20. kemal macrumors 65816


    Dec 21, 2001
    We are to believe there is a coating that will have the same impedance to light in air on one side and the same impedance as (fluorite) glass on the other? That sounds great! Also a catalyst for cold fusion.
  21. thebeans macrumors 6502

    Feb 9, 2009
    I don’t understand comments like this. Would you really rather have a black bezel all the way across the top? The cameras and sensors have to reside somewhere.
  22. SteveJUAE macrumors 68030


    Aug 14, 2015
    Land of Smiles
    This chocolate frying pan of an idea should at least add $50 to the cost of your phone :rolleyes:
  23. thebeans macrumors 6502

    Feb 9, 2009
    Yea, but, you know.... physics is a bitch. Lol. I don’t think it will ever be possible to have all the necessary lenses and sensors reside below a screen such that you can see the image on the screen and yet it has all this stuff below it. Not in the reasonably near future anyway. Maybe in many tens of years. Then again, maybe not even then.
  24. jona2125, Sep 28, 2018
    Last edited: Sep 28, 2018

    jona2125 macrumors 6502a

    Jul 12, 2010
    They've had transparent OLED displays for a few years now (2015 I think it was first demo'd) and recently are pretty damn compelling for mainstream function and I can't imagine with Apples influence and drive that they aren't pushing this to conform to the mobile market very soon

    Edit: Samsung showed off a laptop with a 40% transparent display back in 2010 so the tech has been in the development for some time now.
  25. vertical smile macrumors 68040

    vertical smile

    Sep 23, 2014
    I'd much rather have no camera bump on the back than a hidden front camera.

    Not sure what this is supposed to mean. They stated they didn't like the notch, so it wouldn't be surprising if they didn't own an iPhone with a notch.

    Are you saying if they had a phone with a notch they would like the notch?

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