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Someone will produce it in the very near future for sure with the intent to at least get it out there. Though Apple and most likely Samsung will be the two companies that will make it re-standardize product development with their very strict history of ensuring they've gotten it optimized as best as they can to uphold consumer expectations they've already established for themselves.

Because of the rest of my comment. It works if there’s another option, but at this point with phones it’s either ugly notch, ugly bezel, or ugly forehead and chin. You have to pick what you like best
 
That’s what technology is, progression. Regardless, it still would be a hardware change as well if a ‘triple lens’ camera does Debut. You have to take in account that Apple rations their features. Some are under the notion that hardware should be drastically changed every year, and that’s not how Smart phones upgrades operate, and certainly in most cases, not with Apple.

The first iPhone combined what had been 2 or 3 separate items into one single device. A phone, an internet browser and (sort of) an iPod. I say sort of with the music player because other phones could store and play music and there were services like Napster to download music but Apple could store a lot more songs and iTunes was a legal place to buy and download music, whereas other services either didn’t have much selection or they were risky because music companies were actively trying to shut them down.

No one had successfully designed a phone like this-although a few companies like IBM’s Simon beat the iPhone by more than a decade- but their screen was small and their cost both in terms of the device itself and the cost of the fax and email services it required was very high.
 
As long as there's a notch, is it really a problem that the camera is "visible from certain angles and lighting conditions"? I don't think so.

It's an aesthetic consideration, and I wouldn't expect anything else from Jony Ive.

That said, it will go a long way to making a FaceTime camera on an Apple Watch aesthetically acceptable.
 
As if this is people's number one concern... Seriously Apple, I can name at least 5 major things you guys need to do with the iPhone that are more important than hiding the front facing camera.
Not that this is an overly compelling feature... but what does it hurt if they introduce this? It's not like this would be a flagship feature that they would brag about. Out of curiosity what are 5+ major things that you would consider more important to add?
 
We are to believe there is a coating that will have the same impedance to light in air on one side and the same impedance as (fluorite) glass on the other? That sounds great! Also a catalyst for cold fusion.

You're using your coating wrong. Just use our revolutionary coating removal filters!
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Out of curiosity what are 5+ major things that you would consider more important to add?
iLoops for my iPhone XIII Supreme!
 
If they do try to hide it, it will just look like they wasted a bunch of space in the top for no reason. The camera being visible makes it look at least somewhat justified. Plus I think the camera lens gives the front a bit of character, where the design is ultra-sterile otherwise.
 
Can't wait for the day when Apple gets rid of the notch and cleanly hides all the front peripherals within the display. #courage
 
Can't wait for the day when Apple gets rid of the notch and cleanly hides all the front peripherals within the display. #courage
I’m sure Ive would love to have all eight sensors/transducers in the notch area require zero bezel.

Not sure how the courage meme plays into that though; I don’t think there would be widespread customer whining for removing what’s left of the top bezel.
 
One of these days we'll have a notchless iphone—the notch is clearly designing forfeiting to engineering. In a few years time they'll be able to fit all of those notch components within the width of the bezel alone. Or at least I hope
 
Curious to see how will this work without affecting the performance of the camera. I imagine this would be like adding an ND filter to it, necessitating an increase in shutter speed or ISO to compensate.
 
In real life, you enjoy eye contact because it instinctively makes the conversation more intense.

A camera in the middle of the device behind the display would be the solution. Then, during Facetime conversations, one would look directly into the other person's eyes instead of staring at the upper edge of the iPhone. With the big Zeitgeist-iPhones one avoids the direct visual contact by a changed viewing angle of approx. 12 degrees.

Unfortunately, a technical solution is hardly to be expected in the next few years.
 
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I'd be willing to bet you don't even have an iPhone with a notch, huh?

My shiny new space gray 256 GB XS max is home waiting for me

Coming from every + edition iPhone, last years Galaxy Note 8.... I want ALL my screen real estate
 

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Hey, Largan Precision! Do you want to do a rip down on Apple by 'reinvent' something everybody gets at the roadside?!
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"iPhone camera lens supplier Largan Precision is developing" You should try reading the article. Just because a company that supplies Apple is developing a new technology, doesn't mean Apple is behind it.
Thank you for reading the article for me.

Not that this is an overly compelling feature... but what does it hurt if they introduce this? It's not like this would be a flagship feature that they would brag about. Out of curiosity what are 5+ major things that you would consider more important to add?
It doesn't hurt anything. But it's an absolutely insignificant "improvement" to the iPhones. Some worthwhile significant upgrades to Apple's iPhones would be: a battery that lasts more than just a couple days, material that's durable yet indestructible (Apple's glass is terrible), reducing the weight of their phones without compromising the strength (Apple's new iPhones are heavy, the heaviest iPhones to date), smaller sized phones (goodbye SE), and cheaper prices (they keep getting more expensive).
 
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Thank you for reading the article for me, it's nice to see you being put to use.


It doesn't hurt anything. But it's an absolutely insignificant "improvement" to the iPhones. Some worthwhile significant upgrades to Apple's iPhones would be: a battery that lasts more than just a couple days, material that's durable yet indestructible (Apple's glass is terrible), reducing the weight of their phones without compromising the strength (Apple's new iPhones are heavy, the heaviest iPhones to date), smaller sized phones (goodbye SE), and cheaper prices (they keep getting more expensive).
Battery technology is what it is. It's essentially the same across the industry.
An indestructible material... Really?
I guess a somewhat lighter phone would be nice, but really is the weight harming the usability?
A smaller sized phone would be nice for the vocal minority that is interested in it.
Yeah a cheaper phone would be nice, but thats not really a technological feature.

Your thoughts are great, but you need to be realistic too.
 
Why not both?
Well, then you have to buy two iPhones. The standard version will have invisible camera, the max version with have better camera! And people say Apple doesn't give you choices!
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And it also have a beauty mode built-in that makes your skin so smooth including your pets.
Does that mean cat and dog will look hairless?
 
Your message got me thinking. Could be something Apple uses on the AR glasses down the road (maybe to prevent other users from seeing what you are seeing?)

Good thought, thanks! Right, I hadn't even thought about the problem yet. And this cannot really be done with conventional coatings known from optics. Physics gets in the way.
 
Thank you for reading the article for me.


It doesn't hurt anything. But it's an absolutely insignificant "improvement" to the iPhones. Some worthwhile significant upgrades to Apple's iPhones would be: a battery that lasts more than just a couple days, material that's durable yet indestructible (Apple's glass is terrible), reducing the weight of their phones without compromising the strength (Apple's new iPhones are heavy, the heaviest iPhones to date), smaller sized phones (goodbye SE), and cheaper prices (they keep getting more expensive).
Camera lens suppliers don’t make batteries or gorilla glass.
 
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