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Where I live, rear wheel drive is absolutely awful in the winter. I still see the odd sports car with rear wheel drive fish tail wildly as they try to drive through snow, where as the smaller forward drive cars handle that weather without any problems.

I like all wheel drive for this reason though it can add $$ to the price of your vehicle.
 
I had a Lexus IS 220 D (2.2 Diesel) absolutely awful car, typical Japanese non design and awful reliability.... non europeans can not make a decent Diesel engine :)

I have a BMW E92 now and in winter it's awful as well, just can't move, of course it's illegal to drive on summer tyres in germany during winter months.

It's embarassing when you see old 1 litre corsa's or 1.2 renault clio's flying past you in the snow when your stuck :eek:
 
I had a Lexus IS 220 D (2.2 Diesel) absolutely awful car, typical Japanese non design and awful reliability.... non europeans can not make a decent Diesel engine :)

I have a BMW E92 now and in winter it's awful as well, just can't move, of course it's illegal to drive on summer tyres in germany during winter months.

It's embarassing when you see old 1 litre corsa's or 1.2 renault clio's flying past you in the snow when your stuck :eek:

I was the same two winters ago in Edinburgh. Couldn't get the 1er out. People were fine in their tin cans, but try getting the Bimmer to move without a community effort.. :(

Sold it this year, will look towards an AWD jeep of some kind.
 
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4WD ... at least in a truck it is my preference.

I have a honda ridgeline and its automatic 4 wheel drive is nice, though I prefer switching it on when I need it. I went from a Jeep Wrangler (which I loved), best handling vehicle I ever drove to a truck. I like the ridgeline but I miss my jeep
 
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I have a honda ridgeline and its automatic 4 wheel drive is nice, though I prefer switching it on when I need it. I went from a Jeep Wrangler (which I loved), best handling vehicle I ever drove to a truck. I like the ridgeline but I miss my jeep

Oh I can't agree there. I had a Jeep Wrangler, a 91, it rode a bit rough. I did have 36" on it and it had a slight lift (4"). It wasn't done the cheap way either. I did enjoy the turning on that though so maybe that is where we agree. I love how my ridgeline rides. I can turn on that VTS whatever if needed, but you're right, it does come on if I decide to be a doucher and ride over a small mound in a median or something. :D The ridgeline though rides smooth for me. I came from a Ford Ranger and that thing was not smooth at all.

TBH, I've considered looking at the newer Wranglers but I love what I drive now and I'm not in the market for a new car ... not even close. If I needed a 2nd car for something I think it would be a Wrangler though. Then I get the best of both worlds. :D This time I'd get an automatic though, I doubt I'd miss the manual because I doubt I'd take it off road much if at all.
 
I wouldn't consider those Japanese cars as "appliances" when compared to GM's and Ford's cars. American cars are probably just as road worthy as anything else out on the market, but I don't see anything that really makes them stand out.

The only American car I'd buy would be a saab 9-3,9-5 :p

Design and how they drive does, IMHO.

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Styling is subjective so you may of course disagree, but I find the American designs to be much better than the Japanese counterparts. GM and Ford at least put some effort into their designs. Toyota and Honda are bland or ugly.

Also they drive better, IMHO. The Camry is the worst car I have personally driven. The vehicle wobbles, rolls, doesn't communicate with you at all, etc. It's the most boring vehicle I have driven. While the Malibu and Fusion aren't handling stars either, but the ride is firmer, steering is more communicative, etc. The Accord drives nice, but styling and better engines push me to American vehicles.
 
Nice, never even heard of snow socks before :p

I know BMW were doing some promotion for snow tires at the time, but were around 300quid, those socks would have been the ticket..

Definitely worth having in your boot, they really did save me, the car is drivable upto around 30/35 mph in the snow, handling is so much better and they saved my behind!! deffo recommend them.
 
O I love how my ridgeline rides.
Oh its quite smooth and you're right about switching to VTS when needed. I miss driving a standard the most and while the wrangler was a bit rough on the roads, its was so much fun to drive (on and off the roads :D )
 
Oh its quite smooth and you're right about switching to VTS when needed. I miss driving a standard the most and while the wrangler was a bit rough on the roads, its was so much fun to drive (on and off the roads :D )

Not surprising since the Ridgeline is a minivan with a truck bed. :p
 
@quagmire

Out of those listed I'd say the Buick is the ugliest of them (well apart from the SUVs offcourse those just look like they are ... stupid :rolleyes: ).

I'm also not certain wether that Chevi isn't just a Daewoo in disguise like they try so hard to sell us here in europe (seriously when Opels aren't an option why should anybody buy their backward Korean cousins....).
 
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Not surprising since the Ridgeline is a minivan with a truck bed. :p
All kidding aside, it does. It uses the same unibody construction as the Pilot (and odyssey)

One reason I got the Ridgeline was the ride.
 
@quagmire

Out of those listed I'd say the Buick is the ugliest of them (well apart from the SUVs offcourse those just look like they are ... stupid :rolleyes: ).

I'm also not certain wether that Chevi isn't just a Daewoo in disguise like they try so hard to sell us here in europe (seriously when Opels aren't an option why should anybody their backward Korean cousins....).

Like I said, designs are subjective. But, I find the American( and German) vehicles to be better designed than the Japanese generally.

The Malibu isn't a rebadged Daewoo especially since Daewoo is dead.

All kidding aside, it does. It uses the same unibody construction as the Pilot (and odyssey)

One reason I got the Ridgeline was the ride.

No doubt the Ridgeline is a smooth rider. I would expect it to be considering what underpins it. Though I am not a fan of it. Would rather get an Avalanche. If all you need is a truck bed to carry light objects, it will be fine. Just for trucks, I prefer the traditional BOF construction.
 
The Malibu isn't a rebadged Daewoo especially since Daewoo is dead.

More that Daewoo was renamed to General Motors Korea.

When Daewoo entered the european market in the 90s they offered two models clearly based on discontinued Opels (Kadett E and Ascona C). While that stayed true later on it was not that obvious anymore.

Well ok wiki says the Malibu is made in US but either based on the Vectra C (german wiki) or the Signum (english wiki) both models long discontinued :p
 
Well ok wiki says the Malibu is made in US but either based on the Vectra C (german wiki) or the Signum (english wiki) both models long discontinued :p

The Malibu is based on Epsilon II which the Opel Insignia/Buick Regal, Buick LaCrosse, upcoming Impala, and Cadillac XTS ride on.

The Opel Vectra C and Signum were based on Epsilon I( which was a mess of a platform).
 
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Oh its quite smooth and you're right about switching to VTS when needed. I miss driving a standard the most and while the wrangler was a bit rough on the roads, its was so much fun to drive (on and off the roads :D )

Then we definitely agree. :)
 
My 01 Boxster has been VERY reliable, my Crown Vics and Marauder have been very reliable as well. What do you know, German and American!

Um, because most japanese cars are under powered eco boxes that I want nothing to do with?
A WRX is hardly an underpowered econobox with 0-60 in 4.7s bone stock. In fact, a simple Stage 2 WRX (that would be a downpipe change + ECU reflash, maybe $500 combined) will wipe the floor with you modified Marauder on any track or autocross. This is even before suspension mods. Because 350hp + much less weight + awd + manual + irs = win. Hell, I'd pay to see that Titanic of Crown Vic at any autocross. It probably wouldn't even fit between cones to begin with.

Then there are other performance cars like Evo, Skyline, 370Z, etc. All of which I would hardly call boring econoboxes.

As for the Boxster, I drove a late 90s model before and wasn't impressed at all. It sounded nice but was VERY underpowered for the money and I hear earlier versions have major issues with (just google RMS leaks). When your Boxster has 200K of troublefree miles then we'll talk. I'd much rather buy and mod a Miata or S2K. I owned a Miata before and would not trade it for a Boxster under any circumstance. But then again I think German = crap so I might be biased.

They only make the best cars in the world. What better reason to 'not touch' them :rolleyes:
Correction. They used to make some of the best cars in the world. But about 15 years ago they decided that cheap is the way to go and from late 90s on the only way to own a German car is with full warranty and then dump it before that ends. Otherwise you might be in for very expensive repairs. Just ask anybody who has more than 100-120K miles on their German car made in last 10-15 years.
 
Not sure bout this september, but one thing is for sure the next 1series will be FWD.

Now all you Yanks can moan&whine about FWD as much as you want, atleast I can drive at a 100 miles (or a bit more) without having to worry bout them coppers :p In my puny Renault Clio :D

You're in Germany? For the rest of the world, that's synonymous with being able to drive high speed without worrying about the cops.

On the up side, we don't have as many Geisterfahrer.
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I have a Nissan Pathfinder with RWD as well as select 4WD. Used to have a sedan with FWD but it was a Pontiac Grand Am so it was a POS to begin with. If you're in an area with "normal" climate and don't get much, if any snow, a FWD is fine. However I prefer 4WD myself as it's a bit more fun to drive in whenever the weather gets nasty. Plus I like to off-road whenever possible so having the 4WD is a bonus :D
 
A WRX is hardly an underpowered econobox with 0-60 in 4.7s bone stock.

I love how you TOTALLY ignore the fact that I said " most " and not " all " japanese cars are boring eco boxes. And, 4.7 is pretty damn fast for a stock car ( Though the Titanic will beat that, assuming I had the slicks on it, which I typically don't ).

n fact, a simple Stage 2 WRX (that would be a downpipe change + ECU reflash, maybe $500 combined) will wipe the floor with you modified Marauder on any track or autocross.

Oh yeah, I totally bought a 2 ton couch to go autocrossing :rolleyes: And no, if I put the slicks on the rear, It'd wipe the WRX on the drag strip, but then again. I don't take it to the strip either.

This is even before suspension mods. Because 350hp + much less weight + awd + manual + irs = win. Hell, I'd pay to see that Titanic of Crown Vic at any autocross. It probably wouldn't even fit between cones to begin with.

Of course, I didn't buy a couch to go autocrossing in :rolleyes:

I built my fun car, to be fun on the street. Its loud, its fast, and well. Thats all I want it to be. And it looks great. Sure it can't handle. But eh..

I wanted to be able to pull up to someone at a red light, or go on the highwaw, and just make em eat tail lights.

And, from a roll on the highway, that 350 Horsepower WRX, or even off the line if I have slicks on, is no match in a straight line for my 674hp Tower of V8 supercharged power. Have fun eating some taillights. ;)


Speaking of which, those boxter engines sound like ass. I'll take a V8 rumble.

Then there are other performance cars like Evo, Skyline, 370Z, etc. All of which I would hardly call boring econoboxes.

And again, you ignore the fact that I said some, not all.

As for the Boxster, I drove a late 90s model before and wasn't impressed at all. It sounded nice but was VERY underpowered for the money and I hear earlier versions have major issues with (just google RMS leaks).

Neither am I, I bought it a couple years ago off someone I know because he REALLY needed the money ( divorce, bankruptcy, at the same time. Joy ), even I'm not to impressed by it, can't hold a handle to the 02 S2K I used to have. I'll most likely sell it at some point. Its a fun little car, and I'll admit it only has 21,000 miles on it. And it only goes out on nice days, because I like dropping the top, but I've never had an issue with it.

I'd much rather buy and mod a Miata or S2K. I owned a Miata before and would not trade it for a Boxster under any circumstance. But then again I think German = crap so I might be biased.

I had an S2K, didn't mod it. It was a nice little fun car though. I couldn't stand the weed wacker sound it made. I much perfer the boxster, its more comfy, much better low end torque, and was more fun to chuck around in the corners.

My next " fun car? " I'll most likely keep the 2010 Fully Loaded Vic as my daily driver for a few years, keeping the Marauder Forever, sell the Porsche ( I never drive it ).

And go for a very gently used ( less than 3 years old, under 15,000 miles ), Z06 Corvette, 0-60 in under 4 seconds, 190mph, very very good around the bends, I test drove one once last year, loved every bit of it. 7 Liters of fun :D

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Which ones, specifically?

I've driven a Dodge Neon SRT4

A Dodge Caliber SRT4

A Chevy Cobalt SS

Honda Civic SI

And a VW GTi.

Boring.

The SRT4 Neon was the only one I had any fun in.
 
RWD For Me, Please

I prefer rear drive, if comparing between that and front drive. My garage has a Corvette ZR1 and a big GMC 2500HD pickup in it. Prior to those, it was one of N Corvettes, and one of N pickups. Generally, I always have a pickup available for times when I need to carry something, tow something, or when the roads get bad.

The truck stays in RWD unless the slop is bad enough to warrant shifting into 4WD.

I vehemently disagree with folks that say RWD can't be used in the snow and muck. It is, in the end, all about the tires (assuming ground clearance). I spent four years traveling through the Adirondack Mountains and around Potsdam, NY, in the dead of winter, while attending school. To say we got some snow up there would be a severe understatement.

I drove an American RWD sedan through all of that.

My best friend drives his '07 Corvette all year long. When the weather turns wintery, he swaps his performance tires out for a set of Pirelli Soto-Zero snow tires. He's had no trouble at all, again, assuming ground clearance (that part can't be emphasized enough...) Another buddy of mine lives up near Detroit, MI, and drives his older '92 Corvette all year long as well. Again, when the weather turns white and wintery, he swaps tires. And yes, they get a wee bit of snow up there, too.

As for the RWD vs AWD argument: I see the interesting advantages of AWD when it comes to handling. However, for the time being anyway, AWD adds extra mass and cuts into overall efficiency of a vehicle. Further, I'm glad that the folks at GM haven't buckled under the pressure to make the Corvette an AWD vehicle (and I hope they never do...). It's just too much FUN to drive the way it is.

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Every time I see someone driving a Corvette I cringe at the thought that they could have had a Lotus Elise or Mercedes-Benz SLK but decided against it. :(
 
Every time I see someone driving a Corvette I cringe at the thought that they could have had a Lotus Elise or Mercedes-Benz SLK but decided against it. :(

I would choose a 'Vette over those. The Elise is fun to drive, but it is a pain to get in and out of, it's not much of a street car, and it's pretty stripped of features. It's a street legal go-cart pretty much.

As for the SLK, only the AMG has any hope of keeping up with the 'Vette in the straights and corners. Plus at least in the US, the 'Vette will be a lot cheaper. Now if you take the 2013's estimated $75,000 price tag, you can get the Z06 which then the SLK AMG will have no hope of keeping up with it.
 
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