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Full-featured Leopard Beta at WWDC

I haven't paid too much attention to Leapard, but I hope you can apply security updates and quicktime update etc without rebooting. Not that a reboot is the end of the world, but it's a pain to close out everything for some of the minor updates.

As for top secret, I don't think they'd make that kind of statement unless it was something they thought was special. However, in saying that, it might not be that big of a deal and it's just a way to keep people talking about it.
 
Ha ze said:
does anyone else feel as though the "delay" wasn't a real delay?
As in they never intended to ship in June, because we will be seeing the new UI in June and developers will get 6months to change everything to it.
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6 months after June... :eek: I thought we were just talking till October...

karlfranz said:
Anybody else think that maybe Steve mentioned other "secret" features as a passing remark that they have now come to regret? Maybe the reason for the delay is because the rumor sites have created such huge expectations for what may have been an off-the-cuff comment that they were pressured to come up with some whiz-bang features to make sure they don't disappoint the public.
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He's disappointed mac fanatics before, what would be different this time ?
 
ShinLake said:
Apple's Insomnia Photo competition is coming to a close. Rating ends this weekend. It is coming down to the wire here. People, as in you, the person reading, I need your help. The top 25 photos which get the most ratings go on to be judged by a panel of photographers, and from that, one will be chosen to receive a MBP, several will be given an iPod and Aperture, and several more will get a copy of Aperture. I could really use a new mac, any intel mac, and a MBP is a great machine, I think most can agree on that.

So how do photos get to be in the top 25? By people rating them. And why is Apple doing this? Free advertising. All the contestants have to run around trying to get their photos rated (each 4-star vote gets you 16 points), and to do so you need an Apple ID. Anyway, it brings people to Apple's site. The final 25 has nothing to do with the quality of the image (as you will see) but just the amount of ratings the person can get.

This contest worked like this, Apple posted an "assignment" and people had 24 hours to come up with an original idea, shoot it, and submit it. The assignment was a photo that represented the word, "growth". I thought hard to come up with something original, and spent hours creating the illusion. If you look at all the other photos, I think you'll find mine should certainly be in the top 25. Anyway, if you think it's a 4 out of 4 star image, please rate it that way. If you think it's 3 out of 4, or even 1 out of 4, every rating helps.

To rate an image, you'll need an Apple ID (if you buy music from iTunes or have a .Mac account, that is your Apple ID). If you don't have one, you can get one quickly. The next step, is to log into the site. You'll have to type in your name and e-mail. Lastly, navigate back to the photo, and rate it. In the search field, you can type, "iChick" or just click on this link:

http://edcommunity.apple.com/insomnia/item.php?itemID=169

People are coming out of nowhere with tons of votes. I don't know if they are cheating or what, but someone currently in the top 25 literally took a bad snapshot of the word, "grow", in a dictionary. I really worked hard on mine, and I could really use a modern computer for school (my older iBook is on its last legs). I'm sorry the rating process is a little convoluted, but it shouldn't take more than 2 minutes if you don't already have an Apple ID, and less than a minute if you do. So, please, please, take a minute and help get me into the final 25. Every rating helps. Thank you dearly in advance.
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Wrong forum you chump *Slaps head*

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I think the earlier comment about apple having to do something special for users after the delay is a little naive – most people I know that use macs don't even know that that 10.5 is coming. We're in the minority, so I don't apple cares much what we think – if anything it is a positive as we get hyped up over it.
 
I'm goin!

I'm a life-long MS environment developer, but got turned on to macs about 3 years ago. This June marks my first developer event for Apple. I'll see my first Job's keynote! Overall, I'm pretty psyched. I like how Apple has posted sessions from last year's WWDC on iTunes. It makes it easier to get up to speed.

I don't think I'll switch from my existing platform for tools development, especially now that tools like Silverlight and Astoria start to emerge, but overall, I'm excited about developing for the mac!

See you on the 11th!

Feel free to respond with advice for WWDC 1st timers.
 
siurpeeman said:
can't you tell what that is? somebody at apple apparently deleted leopard, and they're using time machine to bring it back! ;)
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This is confusing me - how did they have Time Machine still if they deleted Leopard, is there a Tiger version of Time Machine, if so where can I get a copy? :D
 
a456 said:
This is confusing me - how did they have Time Machine still if they deleted Leopard, is there a Tiger version of Time Machine, if so where can I get a copy? :D
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it's the feature-complete leopard they deleted. the beta that's been around is being used to bring it back. :confused: darn those technicalities! :mad:
 
pgwalsh said:
As for top secret, I don't think they'd make that kind of statement unless it was something they thought was special. However, in saying that, it might not be that big of a deal and it's just a way to keep people talking about it.
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Agreed. This wasn't just something that SJ said it was on a graphic behind him as well. I also agree with others though that they might now be regretting having mentioned these, and the necessity of producing them. For, even though the time slip is nowhere near Vista/Longhorn's and the stripping out of features is the same, comparisons are quick to be made.
 
siurpeeman said:
it's the feature-complete leopard they deleted. the beta that's been around is being used to bring it back. :confused: darn those technicalities! :mad:
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Lets hope they didn't mask the Top Secret features from Time Machine and Spotlight otherwise they will be lost.:(
 
pgwalsh said:
I haven't paid too much attention to Leapard, but I hope you can apply security updates and quicktime update etc without rebooting. Not that a reboot is the end of the world, but it's a pain to close out everything for some of the minor updates.
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I completely agree. The only time a UNIX or Linux box needs to be restarted is when the kernel is updated. Almost any other update does not require an update - all it takes if for Apple to stop being lazy. This one little flaw in their cherished UNIX OS worries me somewhat - if they're too lazy to sort that out, what else aren't they doing?

Fingers crossed they do away with needless restarting.
 
Forgive me for sounding like a philistine but I just can not get excited about an operating system, no matter if apple makes it. Its just like that Vista why all the fuss? when you just want to run dreamweaver or word. Sorry just don't get it. To me its just a new way of launching and storing software-

I love apple because of the stuff they make.

But I can appreciate why you are all getting excited and that's great.
 
Steve Jobs will announce the construction of iTropolis, which will be located in Cupertino. This glimmering white utopia will be run by a central supercomputer running OS X Leopard server. Anyone who is caught using non-apple products, or mention Zune, Windows, Microsoft, Bill Gates or any PC manufacturer will be deleted. I for one welcome our black turtleneck overlord.
 
My Prediction?

Time Machine will allow you to go forward in time, to get documents that you have not created yet!
 
louden said:
...but overall, I'm excited about developing for the mac!

See you on the 11th!

Feel free to respond with advice for WWDC 1st timers.
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Welcome! Advice: Plan extra money for food, unless they've improved the quality since last year. And be sure to attend "Stump The Experts."

And make sure you drop in to the Meetup Thread.
 
Would you be really pissed if he starts talking about Leopard Features and pulls out an iPhone to demonstrate them?

LOL

I've never developed on a Mac, but have been interested in it for the last year.

I was going to go out to WWDC just to check it out.

Is it worth my while?
 
miniConvert said:
I completely agree. The only time a UNIX or Linux box needs to be restarted is when the kernel is updated. Almost any other update does not require an update - all it takes if for Apple to stop being lazy. This one little flaw in their cherished UNIX OS worries me somewhat - if they're too lazy to sort that out, what else aren't they doing?

Fingers crossed they do away with needless restarting.
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Correct me if I am wrong, (and I sincerely mean that) but the updates that have required a restart have been kernel-level security updates, have they not, or at least files that would have been in use at the time of said update?

I'm not that up on UNIX-based systems, yet...
 
Maccus Aurelius said:
Please remember that "overwhelming majority" can be translated into arbitrary percentages.
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Considering Mac user support has been part of my job for a very long time.. I feel pretty confident when I say that the overwhelming amount of people I encounter who have mac questions/issues are completely clueless.
 
Being in tech support, I would imagine one is more likely to encounter the clueless rather than the technically proficient. Those people would probably never bother to see a tech support rep unless the issue was perceived to be too much of a hassle.

But it's hardly exclusive to mac users. Let's face it, the tech savvy users are very much in the minority of computer users in general.
 
Maccus Aurelius said:
Being in tech support, I would imagine one is more likely to encounter the clueless rather than the technically proficient. Those people would probably never bother to see a tech support rep unless the issue was perceived to be too much of a hassle.

But it's hardly exclusive to mac users. Let's face it, the tech savvy users are very much in the minority of computer users in general.
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Well, I work for a very large corporate entity, and I've supported hundred and hundreds of people over the years, significant amounts of these people hold PhDs and/or MDs. Also take into account the outside work questions that get asked by family, friends, strangers, etc. I'd say it is a sufficient cross section of Mac users.

And no, that is hardly exclusive to Mac users.

As far as I'm concerned, Apple forces a reboot simply to take the guess work out of a user's technical competence, a user's tinkering, and a dash of Apple laziness.
 
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