Fully Functional iPhone 7 Lightning EarPods Shown Off in New Video

[melendezest]

Why would I skip a phone on the basis of something that doesn't affect me?

Because if Apple keeps making these stupid decisions it may eventually affect you.
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I'm going to buy three now and raffle two off for charity

Really, encouraging a boycott over a headphone jack?

Yes. YES!

The iPhone is Apple's most significant, and popular product. If crap like this goes unchecked, they'll start taking things away you WILL miss on other products too.

Next up, all portables will lose it.

Hell, why would they stop there: Lose all ports, save one. Oh wait, Apple is already headed that way.

The lack of an audio jack on a phone is simply unacceptable. You have to be the most hardcore of Apple fans or the snobbiest of people to put up with that BS.

 

[The Game 161]

Because if Apple keeps making these stupid decisions it may eventually affect you.
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Yes. YES!

The iPhone is Apple's most significant, and popular product. If crap like this goes unchecked, they'll start taking things away you WILL miss on other products too.

Next up, all portables will lose it.

Hell, why would they stop there: Lose all ports, save one. Oh wait, Apple is already headed that way.

The lack of an audio jack on a phone is simply unacceptable. You have to be the most hardcore of Apple fans or the snobbiest of people to put up with that BS.

would only annoy people if the headphone jack was a big deal. most of my music is doing via earbuds so suddenly doing that wireless isn't a big issue. I realise for many it is but with my bluetooth on all the time anyway I don't see it as a major issue.

 

[400]

the splitter would only be there when you are charging and listening to music at the same time. i really don't understand your logic.

Splitters can be messy, thing is not out yet so it may be nice, it may be a dogs dinner or it may be none of the above.

Personally I would like a good clean and functional design. I want one lead per function or one blue tooth device (I prefer wired). If I had the choice that is.

We will know soon enough.

 

[smacrumon]

Not sure why this is interesting to you, the two are not mutually exclusive ideas.

Lightning will never be a standard, but then neither will USB-C. The standard is wireless. If you understood what I wrote, you'll see that my theory is that by the time USB-C achieves any kind of substantial market saturation, that wireless audio as well as data and charging will have advanced to a point, that at least for mobile devices, that USB-C and Lightning will both be unnecessary. Apple's goal is likely to have port-less products within a decade.

Add to that USB-C may never take off as an audio standard of any kind except on mobile devices, and even if it does, there's likely to be yet another standard in a decade to replace it too.

So if Apple converts entirely to wireless on mobile devices in 3-5 more years, why should I replace all of my Lightning accessories and equipment now, when I'm going to need an adapter to use USB-C anyway (for years to come), only to eliminate cables completely by the time USB-C makes any real impact on the market as a whole? Apple is saving me money here.

As long as I have to use an adapter anyway, what difference does it make if its Lightning or USB-C, especially when the end of wires for mobile devices is near?
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Ah yes, the "flat" headphone jack to allow a slimmer profile on an iPhone, but still have universal compatibility with standard ports. You realize of course that it creates the exact same problem as Lightning headphones -- you still need an adapter to use your old headphones on the new iPhones, which seems to be one of the biggest complaints anybody has with this. That's real innovation there! /s

And what else could it be besides a conspiracy if engineers could easily adapt all the the features of USB-C and Lightning to the universal standards USB-A and 3.5mm TRS so that customers wouldn't have to give them up? Oh right, they're just not smart enough? Or they're too lazy? What was your implication again?

As mentioned earlier, there's lots that can be done with 3.5". The aim is to produce a change to incorporate Lightning functions that doesn't require an adaptor, and that's completely possible. Adapters are the lazy route. Don't know why you keep projecting conspiracy on this discussion, it's very odd, and I'm not saying that at all. There are however countless cases where great ideas never see the light of day and many poor decisions that do see the light of day-- ugly antenna lines, protruding cameras are two examples.
Sit back and relax. The final product will be here soon at which time you can defend Apple without any critical or impartial analysis.

 

[Loco Emperor]

I can see Loco's hovel now - a 9 outlet powerstirp with 9 chargers plugged in at all times(all using electricity while NOT plugged in), each one married to a device every night before going to bed.

Sorry, that's a situation I try to minimize, not embrace.

More like at worse my phone charges up and my computer charges up. Nobody said every device had to charge all at the same time. That's you just being melodramatic to try and have a point lmao
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Wireless has been here for a very long time, and most choose not to use it, the average user who is not tech savvy has no time to deal with BT connection shenenigans and charge headphones in my opinion

I love this bs logic people have about the average user.

I actually work in sales selling the various products we all know and love. People nowadays are going hands free and buying accessories to allow them to do so. This isn't 2002 and the average consumer is not as stupid as you all would like them to be to have a point. The type of consumers I deal with on a normal basis are the parents of the spoiled teen. The average Joe who works a middle class job. The grandparent who comes in for troubleshooting accessories and to upgrade their devices. These people are wanting to better themselves and grow with technology and aren't as tech ignorant as you like to try and make them. Setting up a Bluetooth isn't difficult on an iPhone by any means. Set up works just fine and many average consimers have long since been used to how they work with no issue whatsoever.

It will take adjustment for people used to the headphone jack but I also think it's a bit premature to deem this Doa.

 

[MH01]

I love this bs logic people have about the average user.

I actually work in sales selling the various products we all know and love. People nowadays are going hands free and buying accessories to allow them to do so. This isn't 2002 and the average consumer is not as stupid as you all would like them to be to have a point. The type of consumers I deal with on a normal basis are the parents of the spoiled teen. The average Joe who works a middle class job. The grandparent who comes in for troubleshooting accessories and to upgrade their devices. These people are wanting to better themselves and grow with technology and aren't as tech ignorant as you like to try and make them. Setting up a Bluetooth isn't difficult on an iPhone by any means. Set up works just fine and many average consimers have long since been used to how they work with no issue whatsoever.

It will take adjustment for people used to the headphone jack but I also think it's a bit premature to deem this Doa.

Nice: claim Bs logic and present ones own BS logic ....smooth

Sorry stopped reading after the first sentence .

 

[Loco Emperor]

Nice: claim Bs logic and present ones own BS logic ....smooth

Sorry stopped reading after the first sentence .

No mate I used personal experience with average consumers aka my job to counter your speculation about average consumers which you obviously know nothing about.

Lol but hey it's obvious you have no argument so feel free to dismiss the debate at hand. Ciao.

 

[MH01]

No mate I used personal experience with average consumers aka my job to counter your speculation about average consumers which you obviously no nothing about.

Lol but hey it's obvious you have no argument so feel free to dismiss the debate at hand. Ciao.

you have no idea what I do

You are making a lot of assumptions ....

Anyway have a great weekend . Sell more accessories to those average users .

 

[Loco Emperor]

you have no idea what I do

You are making a lot of assumptions ....

Anyway have a great weekend . Sell more accessories to those average users .

Nor do I particularly care. And same to you.

 

[I7guy]

Fair enough and good for you, if you are satisfied with it. But for those who prefer to go wired route, the existing jack is the most universal and flexible option.

You said you came prepared. That is the key. Now you have to prepare yourself going for a trip if you want to something as simple as to plug in headphones into the phone or the entertainment system of an airplane.

Imagine if Apple would introduce their own wireless protocol which would only work on their iOS devices if it didn't offer a significant improvement in sound quality, etc. That would be equally upsetting for those who prefer wireless.

From what is being said, there is an adapter that will likely be available. That jack is going the way of the laser disc, vhs, Betamax, 8track, cassettes and cd. People made the transition. I still can play CDs, cassettes and have a vhs player at home. No doubt that jack will be around for years to come and will be supported, just not In The way you think.

 

[Precision Gem]

My self, and most people I see using headphones with iPhones use the white ear buds that come with the phone. So as long as a new iphone 7 comes with earbuds that work with the phone, I wouldn't have any issue, nor would millions and millions of other users.

 

[Michael Goff]

Because if Apple keeps making these stupid decisions it may eventually affect you.
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Yes. YES!

The iPhone is Apple's most significant, and popular product. If crap like this goes unchecked, they'll start taking things away you WILL miss on other products too.

Next up, all portables will lose it.

Hell, why would they stop there: Lose all ports, save one. Oh wait, Apple is already headed that way.

The lack of an audio jack on a phone is simply unacceptable. You have to be the most hardcore of Apple fans or the snobbiest of people to put up with that BS.

And then I won't buy it? What you said is not a good reason. I use BT, I need a new phone by the end of the year. I'm not moving to Android because I like iOS.

 

[The Game 161]

My self, and most people I see using headphones with iPhones use the white ear buds that come with the phone. So as long as a new iphone 7 comes with earbuds that work with the phone, I wouldn't have any issue, nor would millions and millions of other users.

according to most on here they dislike earbuds but for me thats all i use when i listen to music.

 

[jadot]

Bad idea to remove the ubiquitous 3.5mm audio jack that works on laptops, desktops, automobiles, music players, mobile phones, even the in-seat audio connections on airlines.

Millions of people have spent good money on high quality headphones and earbuds that use the 3.5mm standard to be left out in the cold.

There have been almost a half dozen articles posted over the past few weeks that talk about the rumor of Apple removing the 3.5mm jack. If you look at those articles, the numbers of posts are astounding, more than most other articles, and the vast majority of reader responses are from people angry about the potential removal of the 3.5mm jack.

Millions of people still think digging up fossil fuels and inefficiently burning them in their car is a good idea. Millions of people bought CDs and Blank Disks to burn their music onto. Millions of people bought cassette players and stuffed them in their cars. Millions of people bought maps and then google went and mapped the whole planet digitally, and put it in your pocket.

Does that mean that old cars won't work, or that a printed map can't be useful? Does not having a headphone jack mean that your headphones are redundant? Do you really miss the 'Superdrive' that you chose to go without in your new iMac/Laptop? Do you think you will be able to get an adapter that will enable you to use your headphones with this one device that you don't have to buy if you don't want to?

And if you do, will you suffer because you would like to sit next to your phone while it charges overnight while wanting to plug in your headphones into the same port, so you can continue listening to music via your headphones for 24 hours a day?

It is INSANE that people are decrying the end of everything because of the tech. I'm not particularly fussed about whether the phone can ride a pony or not, and the iPhone 7 looks like a natural evolution (like most phones and computers today) to me.

This small thing is a small bridge into the modernisation of how tech will work for all of us in the future. Wireless everything is coming your way - that's it. You better get used to it. To help bridge the gap apple will make an adapter available to those who are upset about it, but one day fairly soon you will have to join in with the technology if things like phones are that important to you.

 

[Mac 128]

Splitters can be messy, thing is not out yet so it may be nice, it may be a dogs dinner or it may be none of the above.

Personally I would like a good clean and functional design. I want one lead per function or one blue tooth device (I prefer wired). If I had the choice that is.

We will know soon enough.

How do two people who want to listen to music together share one iPhone?

They do it with a splitter. Does the splitter live in the iPhone all the time? Not likely. Are they messy? Yes. Anybody who wants to share with a friend has to carry around a splitter to be ready to do it, or prepare to carry it on a trip. And the wires from the headphones can become tangled depending on where the phone is placed and who is holding it.

But that's wires for you. Charging and listening to music at the same time right now is hardly a mess-free experience. The user is the tethered to the phone which is tethered to the wall, and may not even be able to sit completely back in a chair depending on the proximity to the charging outlet. Running two wires into the iPhone can result in tangles as the phone is accessed during the charging. A splitter is not necessarily any more problematic than that, other than another thing to carry.

On the other hand, a simple pass-through connector on the power cable will allow a headphone jack to piggyback onto it. No extras to carry at all. And that same pass through connector on the headphones allows a friend to piggyback and listen at the same time with you, no extras to carry at all. Now in both cases, you'll still have the same mess of wires to deal with, but I guess the plus is that there's no splitters?

 

[MacGizmo]

Bad idea to remove the ubiquitous 3.5mm audio jack that works on laptops, desktops, automobiles, music players, mobile phones, even the in-seat audio connections on airlines.

We've heard that before... about serial ports, floppy drives, cd drives, DVD burners, Blu-Ray discs, single-button mice... the list goes on and on about things Apple did that were a bad idea that eventually caused them to make cr@ploads of money.

Millions of people have spent good money on high quality headphones and earbuds that use the 3.5mm standard to be left out in the cold.

Save the drama for your momma. It's not like Apple is taking food off their table. All 150 people who find this a tragic problem can buy a $30 adapter just like the rest of us.

There have been almost a half dozen articles posted over the past few weeks that talk about the rumor of Apple removing the 3.5mm jack. If you look at those articles, the numbers of posts are astounding, more than most other articles, and the vast majority of reader responses are from people angry about the potential removal of the 3.5mm jack.

It's the same 50 people posting the same 50 idiotic complaints. Fight the man. Fight the system. Blah-blah-blah...

We are not talking about simply upgrading from floppy disks to CDs, from CDs to USB sticks, etc. I know people love to compare removing the 3.5mm jack to eliminating the floppy or CD drives. We are talking about the total elimination of one of the most reliable and useful audio standards that virtually all manufactures embrace.

Yes, actually we are. It's exactly the same. It couldn't be more samerer.

Apple will take this proven and reliable open standard and give us their proprietary standard, and I'm confident no other equipment manufacture will ever embrace Lightning (No I'm not talking about headset manufactures, I'm talking about other desktop, laptop, tablet, phone, automobile, and aircraft manufactures).

You're probably mostly correct. Because Apple and everyone else are moving to wireless. Do you really think Apple wants to put any sort of hardware connection in their device when they already have WiFi and BlueTooth built-in?

I think Apple's cult like mantra of making their phones thinner and thinner will go too far with the elimination of the 3.5mm jack.

I predict you'll be ordering the 3.5mm-jackless iPhone the moment it becomes available.

 

[Rettun1]

Because if Apple keeps making these stupid decisions it may eventually affect you.
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Yes. YES!

The iPhone is Apple's most significant, and popular product. If crap like this goes unchecked, they'll start taking things away you WILL miss on other products too.

Next up, all portables will lose it.

Hell, why would they stop there: Lose all ports, save one. Oh wait, Apple is already headed that way.

The lack of an audio jack on a phone is simply unacceptable. You have to be the most hardcore of Apple fans or the snobbiest of people to put up with that BS.

I don't think this will go "unchecked". There's already massive vitriol from lots of people and the product hasn't even been released yet. That, coupled with what will likely be low sales of iPhone compared to previous years and Apple will feel the hurt. I don't think it'll change their minds tho. We'll see whether they were right or wrong in two or so years. I think the bigger mistake here is making people invest in lightning accessories, which will make the switch to usb c even harder to swallow, assuming they do make the switch to usb c on phones and iPads. It'd be silly if they didn't.... But that'll either happen with next years hardware refresh or in 4 years with the next one.... Damn

I can get your mad with the decision, but that doesn't mean everybody feels the way you do (but many do). I'll be upgrading to this new iPhone cuz my 5s has been freaking out on me almost everyday and the battery life has degraded over time. I can live with no headphone jack, personally, cuz I'm gonna keep my 5s plugged into my stereo at home via 3.5mm as a dedicated audio device. And I've got Bluetooth headphones that I'll use for my phone and iPad during the day and at class.

So if I'm not the most hardcore fanboy, and I'm not a snob, what am I?? Tell me!!!

 

[thisisnotmyname]

Yes. YES!

The iPhone is Apple's most significant, and popular product. If crap like this goes unchecked, they'll start taking things away you WILL miss on other products too.

Next up, all portables will lose it.

Hell, why would they stop there: Lose all ports, save one. Oh wait, Apple is already headed that way.

The lack of an audio jack on a phone is simply unacceptable. You have to be the most hardcore of Apple fans or the snobbiest of people to put up with that BS.

Well I wish you well in your quest to tilt at windmills. I'll enjoy my new phone.

 

[kazmac]

If and when I get a new iPhone these EarPods are useless to me. Apple's EarPods never fit in my ears, so they'll remain unused. I am weening myself off headphones anyway. Sometimes I miss that during my commute, but earplugs have helped in shutting some annoying banter out. I won't pay for wireless headphones so I'll just roll without any headphones.

 

[The Game 161]

curious

what kind of headphones do people here use that makes the removeable of the headphone jack an issue?

 

[thisisnotmyname]

I'll just leave this here...

9 Pieces of Obsolete Tech That Just Won't Die - Popular Mechanics
https://apple.news/AE1wOd8jXQ4exPMhvRHveKw

 

[Mac 128]

I don't think this will go "unchecked". There's already massive vitriol from lots of people and the product hasn't even been released yet. That, coupled with what will likely be low sales of iPhone compared to previous years and Apple will feel the hurt. I don't think it'll change their minds tho. We'll see whether they were right or wrong in two or so years. I think the bigger mistake here is making people invest in lightning accessories, which will make the switch to usb c even harder to swallow, assuming they do make the switch to usb c on phones and iPads. It'd be silly if they didn't.... But that'll either happen with next years hardware refresh or in 4 years with the next one.... Damn

I can get your mad with the decision, but that doesn't mean everybody feels the way you do (but many do). I'll be upgrading to this new iPhone cuz my 5s has been freaking out on me almost everyday and the battery life has degraded over time. I can live with no headphone jack, personally, cuz I'm gonna keep my 5s plugged into my stereo at home via 3.5mm as a dedicated audio device. And I've got Bluetooth headphones that I'll use for my phone and iPad during the day and at class.

So if I'm not the most hardcore fanboy, and I'm not a snob, what am I?? Tell me!!!

Interesting point I hadn't considered ... iCloud makes it quite easy to keep using old iOS devices anywhere there's wifi, since it can remain plugged into a home stereo system with all the same music and playlists on your current phone. In fact it adds the advantage of being able to keep your current phone nearby to take calls, text, or otherwise interact with it. Of course you have to get up and go to the old device to change the playlist, rather than make changes from the phone in your hand, unless of course you drag a cord across your living room floor to have the phone by your side. And I guess for the people who are currently using their phones with the headphone jack in this way do exactly that, or live with the limitation.

Of course that last image of the headphone extension cord is exactly why pushing customers toward wireless will ultimately offer a better experience in many situations.

If and when I get a new iPhone these EarPods are useless to me. Apple's EarPods never fit in my ears, so they'll remain unused. I am weening myself off headphones anyway. Sometimes I miss that during my commute, but earplugs have helped in shutting some annoying banter out. I won't pay for wireless headphones so I'll just roll without any headphones.

Yikes. As far as I'm aware it's against the law in most US states to wear headphones over both ears while driving, and I'd assume earplugs are even worse.

 

[I7guy]

I'll just leave this here...

9 Pieces of Obsolete Tech That Just Won't Die - Popular Mechanics
https://apple.news/AE1wOd8jXQ4exPMhvRHveKw

That's interesting, but there is a parallel to this that is not mentioned in the article; the advent of the digital broadcasting era. The day when analog over the air was shut off on June 12, 2009. It necessitated new TV hardware and 7 years later, does anyone really care? I had a portable battery powered tv, that I had to throw out, June 13, 2009 was totally useless. While there were some exceptions and caveats over the course of time, major networks started over the digital broadcasting ending the analog output.

The headphone jack won't be useless, it will be connected to the phone with an adapter. (I'm assuming this, as I'm assuming the leaks are true)

 

[kazmac]

Yikes. As far as I'm aware it's against the law in most US states to wear headphones over both ears while driving, and I'd assume earplugs are even worse.

Who said I was driving?

 

[Mac 128]

That's interesting, but there is a parallel to this that is not mentioned in the article; the advent of the digital broadcasting era. The day when analog over the air was shut off on June 12, 2009. It necessitated new TV hardware and 7 years later, does anyone really care? I had a portable battery powered tv, that I had to throw out, June 13, 2009 was totally useless.

The headphone jack won't be useless, it will be connected to the phone with an adapter. (I'm assuming this, as I'm assuming the leaks are true)

I have pointed out the digital transition before, and it's the best parallel out there. Of course the augment is that the technology is so much better and the video is so much better, but again that's subjective to some degree, just like audio quality.

Many people were perfectly satisfied with their old TVs. My Mom got her first flat screen, and routinely I go over there and find her watching horrible quality SD broadcasts (when digital are available), artificially stretched across the display because she doesn't like the black bars, and she seems perfectly content. Frankly her old CRT TV had a better picture by comparison.

And there's also a compatibility issue between nation regions, just like with your power analogy.