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Shocka!

And I'm gonna shock all of you - I'm on a 12" G4 1.33ghz iBook I bought new 6 months ago (knowing full well MacBooks were just around the corner), and I have zero envy of either the new MacBooks or the MacBook Pros! In fact, here's the shocker: I prefer my ibook to any of the new gear so far! And to the old G4 Powerbooks!

How can that be? First and foremost, I actually prefer the form factor. I like the small size of the 12" - it is truly portable. It is in fact slightly smaller than the MacBook, and slightly lighter. It is the ideal size for me personally. So, right off the bat, given that portability and aesthetics are extremely important to me, I find (yes, tastes differ) my 12" iBook to be nicer than any of the new gear. Yes, I find the proportions of the 12" iBook (not 14"), to be more aesthetically pleasing than the MacBook. And the 15" (and 17") MCB Pro is simply too big (for me). Plus, again shocka, I actually prefer the sturdy poly plastic of the iBook to any of the aluminum cases (including the G4 PBs). I like the looks and color of the white, better than the black MCB or alum MCB Pro. Yes, I understand that this may be only me, and only my peculiar taste, but since it is I who has to live with the laptop, to me my tastes are most important - and that means the 12" white iBook.

Now, onto function. Here, I must say - I like how my 12" iBook runs so cool compared to any of the new gear (or indeed the G4 PBs). That's important. The iSight camera I have zero need for. The mag power thing - meh, I've never had a problem, so to me that's a solution in search of a problem. I love the long battery life (compared to the G4 PBs or MCB Pro).

But the key thing is that my iBook does everything I want it to do. First, it is actually superior to the new gear cause all software works for it - no need for UB or Rosetta. Now, you may say that my needs are limited, and that's why the iBook is sufficient, but you'd be wrong: I just finished editing a 140 minute documentary on my iBook! And I didn't use iMovie, but the fully professional software suite of FCP 4.5 HD. I'm here to tell you, that yes, you can do professional editing on an iBook! Not once did I find myself wishing I had a PB or MCB Pro. Now, I didn't use Motion and it was from DV not HD, but I did use quite a few effects. Yes, I had to use additional gear, but I would have had to do that with a PB or MCB Pro as well: external monitor, exteranl HDD, external DVD burner for heavy duty output. My iBook worked like a champ. I am delighted with this laptop.

Other reasons wouldn't I prefer MCB or MCB Pro: they are revision A products, and so far have many more reported problems than my iBook (which for me personally has had zero).

Does the new gear have absolutely nothing on my iBook? Well, admittedly it has one thing: I'd prefer if the iBook had a slightly brighter screen, though 90% of the time it's adequate. But for example speed? Pfeh, I'm not impressed. Why, because it is not faster in tasks that matter to me. Look, I'm irritated when Safari on my iBook loads pages slowly - but that's not faster on the new gear! The bottleneck is Safari and the sites themselves. Do my apps launch slightly slower than on the new gear - yes, but the difference is not worth mentioning on a practical level... I never go "curse, I wish iCal launhed with 1 bounce instead of 3!!!". When I was doing rendering of my project in Compressor, it took 24 hours - and probably a PB or MCB Pro could cut it to say 12 - but somehow, it didn't really matter to me, both are darn long anyway - I mean, if the difference was something taking 3 hours on my iBook but only 10 minutes on new gear, OK, that would be something, but so far (music and editing software), I have not found that to be an issue. So, speed has so far not made a difference to me in how I look at the new gear.

Ultimately, would I go for the new stuff? One day I'll have no choice, as there will be new software that will not run on my iBook, and my poor lappy will be too old anyhow. But I surely will not buy the rev. A stuff out there right now. I'll wait until macintels mature quite a bit... and I need new gear. But I doubt I'll ever throw away my iBook - it'll coexist peacefully with whatever new stuff comes in.

Sorry for the length, I just wanted to let folks know that it isn't just G4 PB owners who may feel quite happy with their gear, but indeed even owners of lowly G4 iBooks. I wouldn't exchange my iBook for any other laptop out there PB or MCBs or whatever. Of course, the fact that I paid only $785 for my iBook, new, doesnt' hurt either :)
 
dextertangocci said:
The main issue was the battery life. Oh yes, and the heat.

Steve Jobs gave a detailed explanation of why they didn't put a G5 into the PB's at the last Macworld Keynote

Uh-huh. So tell me why IBM says that the typical usage of a 970FX G5 processor clocked at 1.6GHz is 16 watts with a 30 watt maximum. That's on par with the current Core Duos. And yes these processors were released over a year ago. I think it was more of a case of lets make IBM look bad before we ditch them.
 
I love my PowerBook. I use it as a desktop now (hooked up to my Dell 20.1" monitor) and it performs very well. It's not the fastest machine for video editing, but I think it handles the tasks I throw at it very well.
 
I have a 1.33 GHz PB that has lasted me 2.5 years...it is, however, starting to show its age. I will probably get a rev b MacPro when they come out, and use my PB as a portable only.
 
I for one am happy to be rid of my 15' 1.25GHz AlBook.
Why?
It drained battery like crazy in sleep mode (yes, it waked up instantly, but 5% of the battery charge would be gone when I just drive from home to work!).
The battery life was short - I always ended up lugging an extra battery.
It was quite slow - even when doing mundane tasks in MS Office, or compiling Java programs.
But my main gripe with the AlBook was the pain of the hard drive upgrade process. It was almost ***** impossible to accomplish without scratching and bending the machine! For those of you who have never tried to do it, not only you needed a full set of hex and 0/000 screwdrivers - you also needed to pry 3-4 stupid latches through the DVD drive slit. Good luck doing that. It was really, really hard. I really hate the AlBook for this "feature".
As a matter of fact, I would not have bought the AlBook if I was given a choice - but my TiBook's video chip has failed, Apple could not fix it in two attempts, so they just gave me a new AlBook (whith which I was stuck for nearly 3 years).
I really love the MacBook Pro - they fixed most of the major gripes I had with it, hard drive is much easier to get to, and I can even play games on it!
 
BlizzardBomb said:
Uh-huh. So tell me why IBM says that the typical usage of a 970FX G5 processor clocked at 1.6GHz is 16 watts with a 30 watt maximum. That's on par with the current Core Duos. And yes these processors were released over a year ago. I think it was more of a case of lets make IBM look bad before we ditch them.

And yet the MacBooks and MBPs at MINIMUM use a 1.83 Dual Core - you're referring to a slower single core processor.
 
Knowing full well that my TiBook is only 667mhz, I'm pretty happy with it. I just like how thin and light it is :)
 
BlizzardBomb said:
Uh-huh. So tell me why IBM says that the typical usage of a 970FX G5 processor clocked at 1.6GHz is 16 watts with a 30 watt maximum. That's on par with the current Core Duos. And yes these processors were released over a year ago. I think it was more of a case of lets make IBM look bad before we ditch them.
A 1.6GHz G5 doesn't perform any better than the 1.67GHz G4 that was in the last PowerBooks. Faster bus, but slower AltiVec performance. Yes, it can access more memory, but few people need more than 4GB in a notebook, anyway.
 
iGary said:
What I love is how the same people that were poo-pooing Intel with every fiber of their being last year all of the sudden think Intel is the best thing since sliced bread.

You still can't run Adobe or Macromedia for crap on an Intel chip. ;)

I love both my PPC machines.

Maybe because their old processors were poo-poo, and the new ones are the best thing since sliced bread? :)

And yes, I'm still glad I have a PPC Powermac for now. Until Adobe gets their act together, at which point I will be extremely jealous of conroe and woodcrest.
 
I love my powerbook g4. I really really do. My first mac was my 17" PB, and it performed like a champ for two years, i only recently traded it because i wanted a slightly smaller laptop. I am absolutely thrilled with my current powerbook. I am only considering trading for a macbook simply because i could use a small form factor. I most likely won't go through with it unless i got some great offer for my PB.

thing is.. I use photoshop. a lot. pretty much every day. and my desktop G5 screams with photoshop. it begs for more practically. so i figured the macbook would work well for me, as i can be patient until CS3 is released.

anyways. I still firmly believe in the capabilities of PPC. and i wont be getting rid of this G5 for a long time ;)
 
Powerbookdriver said:
Isn't it funny how so many individuals are now treating the G4 Powerbooks like second rate pieces of crap. All I hear is MBP this and MBP that, give the G4 Powerbook's their just respect. They were and continue to be good machines that perform their tasks well. The Macbook Pro is a wonderful machine, however, some still perfer the Powerbooks. Maybe I have an emotional attachment to mine and maybe not. One thing I hate is some in here sound like PC owners bragging about their latest buy. I thought being a Mac owner was more a life style rather than an ego trip?

Bragging about the G4 Powerbook might have made sense years ago, when the G4 could actually be considered modern. For many years, the G4 PB HAS been second rate*.





*When you take into account it's exorbitant price at the time.
 
The G4 architecture is in no way a POS. Freescale is a POS for ignoring it. I also hate the comments, " The G5 is so outdated now. It is a POS." The G5 is still a very capable CPU. It will be kickass for years to come. Unlike the G4..... Freescale screwed it up. The G4 does have a shorter lifespan with the Intel switch then the G5 does.
 
I say we divide this sight!

I say we divide this sight right down the middle like a really bad sitcom. The PPC Mac users get the right side, and the Intel Mac users get the left side. Those of you that have both have to pick a side for now and stick with it, at least until Apple doesn't support PPC anymore. PPC users get the forum sections, and the Intel users get the rumors pages. We will have to have shared custody of the guides, PPC users get them on Friday afternoon, weekends and holidays, and Intel users get them all other days.

This will be the only way the PPC Mac users and Intel Mac user will be able to get along for now.

I for one will be firmly behind the PPC Macs until death, or I have enough money to buy a new Mac. At which point I will have no choice except to degrade and make all those Plain Belly Sneetches feel inferior for not being just like me.
 
quagmire said:
The G4 architecture is in no way a POS. Freescale is a POS for ignoring it. I also hate the comments, " The G5 is so outdated now. It is a POS." The G5 is still a very capable CPU. It will be kickass for years to come. Unlike the G4..... Freescale screwed it up. The G4 does have a shorter lifespan with the Intel switch then the G5 does.


You are absolutely right quagmire, the PowerPC G5 is still a great chip that will provide plenty of performance for most users for years to come. :)
 
OldCorpse said:
And I'm gonna shock all of you - I'm on a 12" G4 1.33ghz iBook I bought new 6 months ago (knowing full well MacBooks were just around the corner), and I have zero envy of either the new MacBooks or the MacBook Pros! In fact, here's the shocker: I prefer my ibook to any of the new gear so far! And to the old G4 Powerbooks!

How can that be? First and foremost, I actually prefer the form factor. I like the small size of the 12" - it is truly portable. It is in fact slightly smaller than the MacBook, and slightly lighter. It is the ideal size for me personally. So, right off the bat, given that portability and aesthetics are extremely important to me, I find (yes, tastes differ) my 12" iBook to be nicer than any of the new gear. Yes, I find the proportions of the 12" iBook (not 14"), to be more aesthetically pleasing than the MacBook. And the 15" (and 17") MCB Pro is simply too big (for me). Plus, again shocka, I actually prefer the sturdy poly plastic of the iBook to any of the aluminum cases (including the G4 PBs). I like the looks and color of the white, better than the black MCB or alum MCB Pro. Yes, I understand that this may be only me, and only my peculiar taste, but since it is I who has to live with the laptop, to me my tastes are most important - and that means the 12" white iBook.

Now, onto function. Here, I must say - I like how my 12" iBook runs so cool compared to any of the new gear (or indeed the G4 PBs). That's important. The iSight camera I have zero need for. The mag power thing - meh, I've never had a problem, so to me that's a solution in search of a problem. I love the long battery life (compared to the G4 PBs or MCB Pro).

But the key thing is that my iBook does everything I want it to do. First, it is actually superior to the new gear cause all software works for it - no need for UB or Rosetta. Now, you may say that my needs are limited, and that's why the iBook is sufficient, but you'd be wrong: I just finished editing a 140 minute documentary on my iBook! And I didn't use iMovie, but the fully professional software suite of FCP 4.5 HD. I'm here to tell you, that yes, you can do professional editing on an iBook! Not once did I find myself wishing I had a PB or MCB Pro. Now, I didn't use Motion and it was from DV not HD, but I did use quite a few effects. Yes, I had to use additional gear, but I would have had to do that with a PB or MCB Pro as well: external monitor, exteranl HDD, external DVD burner for heavy duty output. My iBook worked like a champ. I am delighted with this laptop.

Other reasons wouldn't I prefer MCB or MCB Pro: they are revision A products, and so far have many more reported problems than my iBook (which for me personally has had zero).

Does the new gear have absolutely nothing on my iBook? Well, admittedly it has one thing: I'd prefer if the iBook had a slightly brighter screen, though 90% of the time it's adequate. But for example speed? Pfeh, I'm not impressed. Why, because it is not faster in tasks that matter to me. Look, I'm irritated when Safari on my iBook loads pages slowly - but that's not faster on the new gear! The bottleneck is Safari and the sites themselves. Do my apps launch slightly slower than on the new gear - yes, but the difference is not worth mentioning on a practical level... I never go "curse, I wish iCal launhed with 1 bounce instead of 3!!!". When I was doing rendering of my project in Compressor, it took 24 hours - and probably a PB or MCB Pro could cut it to say 12 - but somehow, it didn't really matter to me, both are darn long anyway - I mean, if the difference was something taking 3 hours on my iBook but only 10 minutes on new gear, OK, that would be something, but so far (music and editing software), I have not found that to be an issue. So, speed has so far not made a difference to me in how I look at the new gear.

Ultimately, would I go for the new stuff? One day I'll have no choice, as there will be new software that will not run on my iBook, and my poor lappy will be too old anyhow. But I surely will not buy the rev. A stuff out there right now. I'll wait until macintels mature quite a bit... and I need new gear. But I doubt I'll ever throw away my iBook - it'll coexist peacefully with whatever new stuff comes in.

Sorry for the length, I just wanted to let folks know that it isn't just G4 PB owners who may feel quite happy with their gear, but indeed even owners of lowly G4 iBooks. I wouldn't exchange my iBook for any other laptop out there PB or MCBs or whatever. Of course, the fact that I paid only $785 for my iBook, new, doesnt' hurt either :)

Instead of saying what I was going to say, I will just borrow your post. Well said, and I agree 100%!
 
chasingapple said:
Instead of saying what I was going to say, I will just borrow your post. Well said, and I agree 100%!

True, OldCorpse does bring up some good point about why he/she loves his/her iBook G4 (especially the battery life that the iBook G4 gets). But being a former owner of one of those machines I can say that they are indeed great computers, but I find myself enjoying my MacBook Pro more than I enjoyed using my 12" 1.33GHz iBook G4. :eek: :)
 
Powerbookdriver said:
Isn't it funny how so many individuals are now treating the G4 Powerbooks like second rate pieces of crap. All I hear is MBP this and MBP that, give the G4 Powerbook's their just respect. They were and continue to be good machines that perform their tasks well. The Macbook Pro is a wonderful machine, however, some still perfer the Powerbooks. Maybe I have an emotional attachment to mine and maybe not. One thing I hate is some in here sound like PC owners bragging about their latest buy. I thought being a Mac owner was more a life style rather than an ego trip?
Agree.

Completely like my PB15 with a G4. Works well for me.

I figure that it will last at least a couple of more years. Then it will be time to get a MB or MBP.

Happy until then.
 
erikamsterdam said:
I am sorry for the G4 owners, but the Intel machines are *so* much faster that yes, suddenly the G4 is very outdated.
No reason to feel sorry for us PB G4 owners. They are still great machines and will be for a while.

BTW, I have yet to type faster than my "outdated" PB15 can run. ;)
 
I have a MacBook and I do like it, but the 12" G4 PowerBooks were (and still are) great machines, at a very good form factor and eminently usable. The biggest gripe I had about them was the limit of 1.25GB for RAM.

Although they are faster, the new hardware IMHO does not meet the claims of 4-5x faster as you see in all the advertising. Sure, you can pick your benchmark and some apps will be lightning fast compared to the old architecture, but for real world applications the G4 holds up pretty well against the so-called "modern" processors coming from Intel.

Motorola (and now Freescale) never got the respect it was due. Even though they only sold a fraction of the chip volume of Intel and AMD, and subsequently had far less cash to invest in R&D, they still managed to compete fairly well for many years.

I still wonder how differently the semiconductor world would look today if IBM had gone ahead and put a Motorola processor in their first PC instead of an Intel.
 
sushi said:
Agree.

Completely like my PB15 with a G4. Works well for me.

I figure that it will last at least a couple of more years. Then it will be time to get a MB or MBP.

Happy until then.

Good point, as long as you are happy with your current machine and it handles all of your tasks that you do well enough, then there is no need to buy a new machine. :)
 
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