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Funny isn't it (no respect for G4 Powerbooks)
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There are many of us that disagree with you. My TiPB continues to run strong, no screen issues, paint has never chipped, no kernal panics, and I have one of the very first shipped. This TiPB also has been borrowed by our youngest son for a couple of years of computer science work at college - so it has really been put through its paces and keeps chugging along.
GREAT little machine - cool, quiet, reliable.
GREAT little machine - cool, quiet, reliable.
I understand the reasoning behind thinking the old is bad.. But i still have great respect for the 12" PB evne though i got rid of mine for a MacBook. I plan on purchasing a 1 ghz soon just to have cause i love the size and design. It can do almost any minimal task my MB does maybe a little slower but it doesnt matter. The 12 Pb rules all now if the come out with a 13" MBP then i might reconsider.
erikamsterdam said:I am sorry for the G4 owners, but the Intel machines are *so* much faster that yes, suddenly the G4 is very outdated. It has been outdated for years anyway, there was just nothing else available if you wanted to by a Mac portable.
The only thing you G4 owners can enjoy is lots more software. Still missing quite a bit for Intel, like Flip4Mac or Audacity. Rosetta is not the most stable thing on the planet
The G4 may not be the fastest processor out there. But my PB 12" 1ghz still does nicely for me. If I need speed I go to my iMac G5 (when it is working, see my woe thread). For two years the PB 12" was powerful enough for me to do page layouts in InDesign CS.
I'm loving my 15" PB that I bought earlier this year (several months after the MBP's were released).
dextertangocci said:I had that exact iBook, but I WAY prefer my new MB to the iBook
Same. I had an ibook g4 12" 1.33 Ghz with 1.5 GB RAM from August '05 until May '06, and it was a very nice computer. But it's simply not in the same league as my macbook.
- the macbook is faster. Oh god, so much faster.
- the MB screen is brighter. Oh god, so much brighter.
- the MB has higher resolution. I can actually view 2 docs side by side. This is HUGE for me.
- MB keyboard is just worlds better. No comparison.
- isight, front row, and magsafe are all cute and useful. not amazing, but cute and useful.
- build quality is SO much better. my ibooks (I have owned 3) always felt creaky and cheap, like the low end laptops they were. the macbook feels rock solid like a powerbook or mbp.
They've both had their share of issues (3 repairs on the ibook, 1 so far on the macbook - And no, I'm not happy with apple's QC right now), so that's a wash.
I don't look down on G4 ibooks or powerbooks; they were and continue to be great computers. But if anyone out there has actually used an apple intel laptop and a G4 laptop for an extended period and can still say they prefer a G4, I'd be amazed.
Been using my 1GHz TiBook for 3 years now...still running strong.
I was a little peeved when I got it just before the release of the 15" Aluminums, but whatev.
Had some screen issues when I first got it, but Apple fixed it without a problem. The right hinge broke, but I fixed that myself...$50 instead of a few hundred.
Getting a 13.3" MacBook next month and giving the TiBook to my parents (who have been converted to Mac).
I was a little peeved when I got it just before the release of the 15" Aluminums, but whatev.
Had some screen issues when I first got it, but Apple fixed it without a problem. The right hinge broke, but I fixed that myself...$50 instead of a few hundred.
Getting a 13.3" MacBook next month and giving the TiBook to my parents (who have been converted to Mac).
I have respect for the G4s (not the tv channel though) but my 14" ibook G4 1.33GHz is WAY underpowered for my needs. It does photoshop fine and I'm not complaining about that but it's encoding that it is extremely underpowered. My parents brand new intel iMac encodes a 100MB file in 4 minutes and my iBook takes over 25 minutes. My iBook is fine but it just doesn't meet my needs anymore. The 60GB hard drive was great when I bought it but it gets filled up regularly now. The encodes take a lot longer than I would like because I also wanted 7 170MB files encoded for my iPod and it took 45 minutes per file, so I ended up leaving it on all night to finish. When I got my iBook back in 2005 it was a prodigious upgrade, but times have changed and my needs have gotten a lot greater. I'm going to be taking 2 photoshop classes next year and my iBook is going to be exponentially faster then those P3 700MHz, 256MB RAM that they choke us with but I've always felt like I've wanted to be on the bleeding edge of technology and this iBook isn't there anymore. This topic is like saying no respect for the G3s, when the G4 came out. Computers are always going to be getting faster until the world ends. It's always been out with the old and in with the new.
When the MacBooks came out, I did some research to sell my pb and get a MB. That lasted about 2 days, until I had the chance to try a MB... Bleh!
Me Looooovez mii powerbookie!!
Me Looooovez mii powerbookie!!
You know its funny... given how unreliable everyone says Xbench is, I've always found it pretty good on all of my machines that run OS X and up. When comparing Xbench scores to Xbench scores, it seems pretty reliable in that respect.
My friend got a 2ghz MacBook Pro two days ago, and he came over yesterday so I could teach him how to use it and stuff. For fun we ran Xbench tests on it as well as my 1ghz PowerBook G4 to laugh at how badly the MacBook murdered the G4... which it did. In fact every processor related test was about 3 - 5 times faster, just like Steve Jobs said! All but one.
One test stood out as a humbling reminder of just how Powerful the G4 was, and that was the vecLib test. This 1ghz G4 slighted out the 2ghz dual core MacBook Pro in what I assume is a test that makes heavy use of AltiVec. That was extremely impressive. We ran the test several times to make sure it wasn't an error, even restarting each machine. Similar results every time.
Reminds me of what an exciting thing the G4 was way back when it first came out. It really did seem much faster than Intels in all those showy Photoshop and FCP tests they would show us (which also made heavy use of AltiVec).
My friend got a 2ghz MacBook Pro two days ago, and he came over yesterday so I could teach him how to use it and stuff. For fun we ran Xbench tests on it as well as my 1ghz PowerBook G4 to laugh at how badly the MacBook murdered the G4... which it did. In fact every processor related test was about 3 - 5 times faster, just like Steve Jobs said! All but one.
One test stood out as a humbling reminder of just how Powerful the G4 was, and that was the vecLib test. This 1ghz G4 slighted out the 2ghz dual core MacBook Pro in what I assume is a test that makes heavy use of AltiVec. That was extremely impressive. We ran the test several times to make sure it wasn't an error, even restarting each machine. Similar results every time.
Reminds me of what an exciting thing the G4 was way back when it first came out. It really did seem much faster than Intels in all those showy Photoshop and FCP tests they would show us (which also made heavy use of AltiVec).
i had a moment of weakness before, and considered trading my powerbook for a macbook. but considering the current QC issues ( although i generally have good luck with my stuff ) It is enough to get me to wait for rev b. and CS3.
i love this current powerbook that i have now. it has no issues what so ever. it doesn't heat up to astronomical temperatures, it doesnt make funny animal noises, it doesn't whine ( or complain ) it just works, and works really really well. I honestly now see no point in trading again, I am so pleased with this powerbook. I cant wait to get my extra ram ( and i better hurry up on the applecare too! ) I'm gonna keep this baby for a long time. It is a Rev. E afterall Unfortunately, Final revs are ALWAYS the best haha, they just come too late
i love this current powerbook that i have now. it has no issues what so ever. it doesn't heat up to astronomical temperatures, it doesnt make funny animal noises, it doesn't whine ( or complain ) it just works, and works really really well. I honestly now see no point in trading again, I am so pleased with this powerbook. I cant wait to get my extra ram ( and i better hurry up on the applecare too! ) I'm gonna keep this baby for a long time. It is a Rev. E afterall
Unfortunately, Final revs are ALWAYS the best haha, they just come too late
AGoglanian said:i had a moment of weakness before, and considered trading my powerbook for a macbook. but considering the current QC issues ( although i generally have good luck with my stuff ) It is enough to get me to wait for rev b. and CS3.
i love this current powerbook that i have now. it has no issues what so ever. it doesn't heat up to astronomical temperatures, it doesnt make funny animal noises, it doesn't whine ( or complain ) it just works, and works really really well. I honestly now see no point in trading again, I am so pleased with this powerbook. I cant wait to get my extra ram ( and i better hurry up on the applecare too! ) I'm gonna keep this baby for a long time. It is a Rev. E afterall
The whole UB issue is one reason that as much as i would love to get a new iMac because of my multiple repairs on my iMac G5. Darn Adobe. Though I would love to have a Dual Core.
AGoglanian said:i had a moment of weakness before, and considered trading my powerbook for a macbook... It is a Rev. E afterall
lol, I had a moment of weakness when I considered trading my macbook for a powerbook! Ah, how foolish I was to even consider it...
Oh, and your (15") powerbook is a rev. D. There were only 4 generations of the 15" Al powerbook:
1.0/1.25
1.33/1.5
1.5/1.67
1.67 (hi res)
And not to be argumentative, but the rev. D 15" PB was quite problematic. It had the dreaded "horizontal line" issue (prompting a 56 page thread) as well as an issue with having more than a gig of RAM. QC issues occur on all models, which is why I think the "don't buy rev. A" mentality is silly.
oh seriously? i thought the first 1.67ghz update was the rev. D. my mistake.
i was also unaware of those problems with the hi-rez PB, and yes i know that QC is always a factor, but in a general sense, the last rev, USUALLY has all the kinks worked out, or at least most of them.
i suppose i was just blessed with a good one ( what is the RAM issue you were talking about? I have 1.5Gb now, and i plan to up it to 2GB soon, is there going to be a problem? )
and no i dont think your being argumentative or anything, you were correcting me, and i appreciate that. sometimes i make assumptions haha, so thank you for correcting me
my mistake.i was also unaware of those problems with the hi-rez PB, and yes i know that QC is always a factor, but in a general sense, the last rev, USUALLY has all the kinks worked out, or at least most of them.
i suppose i was just blessed with a good one
( what is the RAM issue you were talking about? I have 1.5Gb now, and i plan to up it to 2GB soon, is there going to be a problem? )and no i dont think your being argumentative or anything, you were correcting me, and i appreciate that. sometimes i make assumptions haha, so thank you for correcting me
As apparently I will be buying one (if the guy who should be selling his powerbook lets me know) what is the difference between G5 and G4? I know there's quite a performance gap between G5 and Intel CoreDuo with appropriate software, and even sometimes with Rosetta. So does that make the G4 a complete dog? I'm not going to be doing anything demanding on it but I just think I would prefer the form factor of the 12" PB as opposed to the current Macbook which I'm using as my actual portable. As long as I get something like a Centrino 1.1 performance in real terms I'll be pretty happy. Is that the case, or is the G4 even slower?
no way, my g4 powerbook is still very quick with photoshop, obviously not as fast as my g5 desktop. but it is very easy to use with high performance apps.
seriously... yes it is older, and has been updated. but so what.
does that suddenly make this laptop im using a worthless POS? i think not. it still runs quick, it still runs photoshop very well, and does everything i need it to do for my work.
therefore, it is still a viable computer for me. not all of us can afford to update at every revision, or sometimes even every other revision. so what exactly gives you the right to criticize someone because they are using a G4?
should i have to feel like a lesser person because im using a powerbook? or suddenly my G5 tower is no longer usable because the G5 is getting phased out?
you realize that makes no sense don't you? well. at least i hope you realize that.
does that suddenly make this laptop im using a worthless POS? i think not. it still runs quick, it still runs photoshop very well, and does everything i need it to do for my work.
therefore, it is still a viable computer for me. not all of us can afford to update at every revision, or sometimes even every other revision. so what exactly gives you the right to criticize someone because they are using a G4?
should i have to feel like a lesser person because im using a powerbook? or suddenly my G5 tower is no longer usable because the G5 is getting phased out?
you realize that makes no sense don't you? well. at least i hope you realize that.
QCassidy352 said:
That's not correct. You're right in that there were only four revisions of the fifteen inch aluminum powerbook... but there were five revisions of the aluminum powerbook family. Recall that the 12" and 17" versions were released a revision ahead of the 15" aluminum version. The titanium 1ghz powerbook was sold simultaneously with with the aluminum 12s and 17s. The original 12" and 17" constitute the rev. A's of the aluminum powerbook family. I might be getting a little ahead of my self here, but I'm almost certain that the last gen 15" powerbooks were generally refereed to as rev. Es even though they were only the fourth generation of that exact model. This is the revision that had the banding issues.
Back on topic, I recently traded my Macbook for a 1.67 ghz Rev D (not hi-res to clarify). Personally I'm glad that the powerbooks are now seen as pieces of crap. Their resale value took a nice hit with the release of the Macbook, and I was able to get more computer for the dollar then I would have had they held there true value and respect. I'm loving the powerbook. G4's aren't the best, but they're still quite respectable, and certainly get the job done better with certain tasks (photoshop most importantly). The only thing I'm missing is the tap right click. That was great!