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Further Details Regarding Leaked Pro Mac
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this sux!
I go have a nice weekend, come back and the infamous pics are gone before I can even scrutinize them!!
If anyone would be so kind I have email capable of handling larger image files at mischief6xr@mac.com.
Thanx!
Wow!! 2 copies is more than I need!!, thanks to the two of you!
I go have a nice weekend, come back and the infamous pics are gone before I can even scrutinize them!!
If anyone would be so kind I have email capable of handling larger image files at mischief6xr@mac.com.
Thanx!
Wow!! 2 copies is more than I need!!, thanks to the two of you!
Pictures...?
I'd like a copy of the pics too. I saw the one posted at MOSR, but not the others that started this whole brew-ha-ha. So, if someone could point to a mirror or email them to me, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks!
geoffw@myexcel.com
I'd like a copy of the pics too. I saw the one posted at MOSR, but not the others that started this whole brew-ha-ha. So, if someone could point to a mirror or email them to me, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks!
geoffw@myexcel.com
Re: Further Details Regarding Leaked Pro Mac
As I posted in the other thread: if you compare the current photo's to the eBay motherboard, these are almost similar. So if these pictures of the innards of the tower are real, I bet the mystery port will be there. And the port on the eBay board definitly looked like FireWire 2. Why would they take the difficulties of including video on a motherboard if there are also PCI slots on it? That doesn't make sense. Even the Xserve doesn't have video on board and that one will benefit from it very much.
G5
according to zdnet Moto just released a G5 chip...I don't know if it is the chip uses in the Apple Powermac..
http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1105-945430.html
according to zdnet Moto just released a G5 chip...I don't know if it is the chip uses in the Apple Powermac..
http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1105-945430.html
Re: Re: Further Details Regarding Leaked Pro Mac
What are you going on about? The 6500 does not have a vertically mounted hard drive. I cannot remember if the TAM had a vertical drive or not.. but I cannot think of a single Mac ever that had a vertically mounted drive. On the other hand, millions of PC's out there have vertically mounted drives... and every major drive manufacturer lists vertical as an accepted orientation anyway.
What are you going on about? The 6500 does not have a vertically mounted hard drive. I cannot remember if the TAM had a vertical drive or not.. but I cannot think of a single Mac ever that had a vertically mounted drive. On the other hand, millions of PC's out there have vertically mounted drives... and every major drive manufacturer lists vertical as an accepted orientation anyway.
Re: G5
missing things like caches and includes lots of communication things
Apple won't use the G5 name in the future since Moto already uses it for totaly different things.
nice chip to do your router with, but not suitable for desktop computing
missing things like caches and includes lots of communication things
Apple won't use the G5 name in the future since Moto already uses it for totaly different things.
do macs use chipsets like the PC ?
I'm assuming the Xserve uses some kind of chipset to use DDR with a plain old G4.
These new motorla chips look pretty good for use on a motherboard maybe.
The wierd thing is there's a few similarities with the G4 :
the G5...
32bit
32K + 32K L1 cache
256K L2 cache
1850 MIPS @ 800Mhz (2.31 IPC)
7 stage pipeline
and the G4...
32bit
32K + 32K L1 cache
256K L2 cache
2310 MIPS @ 1Ghz (2.31 IPC)
7 stage pipeline
Also, it tops out at 1Ghz
Doesn't look like a CPU in the desktop sense by any stretch of the imagination although if technologies filter down to the 75xx series we'll have faster G4s and apple could quite easily name a G4 with DDR and Rapid I/O as the G5 because it would share so many of the G5's features it would technically be a G5 in the desktop sense.
Also, notice the crossbar that's been mentioned as a future feature of the PowerPC family since before even G4 came out and the fact it's only 32bit ?
All I'm saying is, I don't care what they call the next powermac, if it's still got a 7 stage pipeline and they've added DDR support, it's 5th generation enough for me.
I'm assuming the Xserve uses some kind of chipset to use DDR with a plain old G4.
These new motorla chips look pretty good for use on a motherboard maybe.
The wierd thing is there's a few similarities with the G4 :
the G5...
32bit
32K + 32K L1 cache
256K L2 cache
1850 MIPS @ 800Mhz (2.31 IPC)
7 stage pipeline
and the G4...
32bit
32K + 32K L1 cache
256K L2 cache
2310 MIPS @ 1Ghz (2.31 IPC)
7 stage pipeline
Also, it tops out at 1Ghz
Doesn't look like a CPU in the desktop sense by any stretch of the imagination although if technologies filter down to the 75xx series we'll have faster G4s and apple could quite easily name a G4 with DDR and Rapid I/O as the G5 because it would share so many of the G5's features it would technically be a G5 in the desktop sense.
Also, notice the crossbar that's been mentioned as a future feature of the PowerPC family since before even G4 came out and the fact it's only 32bit ?
All I'm saying is, I don't care what they call the next powermac, if it's still got a 7 stage pipeline and they've added DDR support, it's 5th generation enough for me.
i missed out...
could someone email the pics to me or send me a Private Message puleeze..... i missed all the excitement this morining....
email: richardkelly6@yahoo.com
thanks
could someone email the pics to me or send me a Private Message puleeze..... i missed all the excitement this morining....
email: richardkelly6@yahoo.com
thanks
Re: Re: Re: Further Details Regarding Leaked Pro Mac
He was talking about optical drives.
Lots of Avid post houses with tons of drives in a closet somewhere have them mounted vertically. Never seen a problem. Even on drives that are 5, 6, 7 years old. I would assume newer drives are just fine. Most external firewire drives are designed to sit horizontally or vertically.
He was talking about optical drives.
Lots of Avid post houses with tons of drives in a closet somewhere have them mounted vertically. Never seen a problem. Even on drives that are 5, 6, 7 years old. I would assume newer drives are just fine. Most external firewire drives are designed to sit horizontally or vertically.
True Definition of G5
The G5 generation of Motorola processors use Motorola's seven layer 0.13-micron SOI manufacturing process. This is Motorola's most advanced manufacturing process, and is the most important of a half-dozen or so new features that Motorola is adding to its PowerPC processors with the fifth design generation. The G4s that are currently available are manufactured using Motorola's 0.18-micron copper process (HiP6 .18-micron copper).
http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0112/04.motorola.php
for more detialed information.
The G5 generation of Motorola processors use Motorola's seven layer 0.13-micron SOI manufacturing process. This is Motorola's most advanced manufacturing process, and is the most important of a half-dozen or so new features that Motorola is adding to its PowerPC processors with the fifth design generation. The G4s that are currently available are manufactured using Motorola's 0.18-micron copper process (HiP6 .18-micron copper).
http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0112/04.motorola.php
for more detialed information.
Ok, maybe three is a crowd, but could someone also email me the pics of the rumored new enclosure? barendt@boisestate.edu
I have seen the pdf file so I don't need that but I would love to see some of the rumored pics.
And as a side note, does anyone really think we will see a significant speed increases? I am talking about 1.8GHz or higher. Please don't tell me all about the GHz myth - I know and heard it all before. Apple does seem to be falling behind, what with 2.5GHz on the PC side and only 1 (rumors up to 1.4 on the current G4). I love my Mac but at 3GHz one has to wonder how successful the switch campaign would be. Now if this big heat sink is any clue maybe we could see 2GHz???
I have seen the pdf file so I don't need that but I would love to see some of the rumored pics.
And as a side note, does anyone really think we will see a significant speed increases? I am talking about 1.8GHz or higher. Please don't tell me all about the GHz myth - I know and heard it all before. Apple does seem to be falling behind, what with 2.5GHz on the PC side and only 1 (rumors up to 1.4 on the current G4). I love my Mac but at 3GHz one has to wonder how successful the switch campaign would be. Now if this big heat sink is any clue maybe we could see 2GHz???
This all seems faily reasonalbe except for the hole part about a 7 pound heat sink........
7 founds of aluminium that would take up the hole case. Lets put this into perspective. A Gallon of Water is a little over 7 pounds right around 8 pounds and i think aluminium is ligher than water????
Maybe this guy has never picked it up and is estamating or maybe he doesent know or something????
Thats sounds re-dink-u-luss
My 0.02 USD
-Pat
7 founds of aluminium that would take up the hole case. Lets put this into perspective. A Gallon of Water is a little over 7 pounds right around 8 pounds and i think aluminium is ligher than water????
Maybe this guy has never picked it up and is estamating or maybe he doesent know or something????
Thats sounds re-dink-u-luss
My 0.02 USD
-Pat
Fourth Person?
Yeah, could some one be so kind as to send me a picture or two of whatever hit the web while I was away on business this weekend!?
*insert Bambi eyes here*
PAH-leeze?
macgeek@hotmail.com
Yeah, could some one be so kind as to send me a picture or two of whatever hit the web while I was away on business this weekend!?
*insert Bambi eyes here*
PAH-leeze?
macgeek@hotmail.com
Just my $.02 here...
With all the things going on around here, I'm starting to actually doubt if Motorola is the real cause of the slump that Apple seems to be in right now. I could totally see a 2001 copyright as plausible right now... as from what I gather from intuition, the new PowerMacs we are expecting now should have been out at the time of the release of the Apollo's, which border on the year of 2001.
You guys probably didn't notice me at MWNY, but I was one of the guys in the DivX T-Shirts harassing the Apple guys; there were some actual engineers on the floor, few and far between. I spoke to Frank Casanova of QT for quite some time ;-). From what I gathered, a lot of Apple engineers I met (don't want to give out names) are really "Mac" people, not die hard computing freaks... a good amount of them, if not the majority, are oblivious to what is going on in the PC world. In fact, I was told by an Apple QuckTime engineer that "DivX didn't even work on a PC." (For those of you familiar with the AVI bug in QT).
What surprised me even more, during some presentations on the floor the Apple guy would say "The fastest Pentium4 available runs at 2.2 ghz..." MY ARSE.
With all the things going on around here, I'm starting to actually doubt if Motorola is the real cause of the slump that Apple seems to be in right now. I could totally see a 2001 copyright as plausible right now... as from what I gather from intuition, the new PowerMacs we are expecting now should have been out at the time of the release of the Apollo's, which border on the year of 2001.
You guys probably didn't notice me at MWNY, but I was one of the guys in the DivX T-Shirts harassing the Apple guys; there were some actual engineers on the floor, few and far between. I spoke to Frank Casanova of QT for quite some time ;-). From what I gathered, a lot of Apple engineers I met (don't want to give out names) are really "Mac" people, not die hard computing freaks... a good amount of them, if not the majority, are oblivious to what is going on in the PC world. In fact, I was told by an Apple QuckTime engineer that "DivX didn't even work on a PC." (For those of you familiar with the AVI bug in QT).
What surprised me even more, during some presentations on the floor the Apple guy would say "The fastest Pentium4 available runs at 2.2 ghz..." MY ARSE.
Humble Request
Could one of you kind souls take kindly to this poor sap who had to work the weekend because our lousy NT server at work crashed on Friday and please, please send a copy of the photos of the new machine to mailto:web@slavey.com
TIA...
Could one of you kind souls take kindly to this poor sap who had to work the weekend because our lousy NT server
at work crashed on Friday and please, please send a copy of the photos of the new machine to mailto:web@slavey.comTIA...
Re: Re: Further Details Regarding Leaked Pro Mac
the ipod (=harddrive) stands basically vertical right? and the ipod has been selling for quite some time now, without any known problems.
so i guess, it is safe to these vertical harddrives would work fine, too.
vertically placed harddrives would save space too, right anyone?
if that is so, we could (if apple allows it to) stack more harddrives in the g4 enclosure.
the ipod (=harddrive) stands basically vertical right? and the ipod has been selling for quite some time now, without any known problems.
so i guess, it is safe to these vertical harddrives would work fine, too.
vertically placed harddrives would save space too, right anyone?
if that is so, we could (if apple allows it to) stack more harddrives in the g4 enclosure.
Originally posted by drastik
Bunge is right, the only time you should jump down someones throat is if they are being offensive, or trying to start a war.
groovebuster was just messing around. If you read the original post that made this guy "never post again" he wasn't really being mean. He was more trying to press the guy for info. He (like most of us) seemed a little skeptical. Plus the smily face. People have said really rude things to me, and if I have proof to back up what I say, I post it. If they're just being jerks, I usually just ignore them. The original poster found the comment offensive (which I don't think it was IMO) and said something to the effect of "you're mean, I'm never posting here again", which for some reason really irked me (in case you couldn't tell by my previous posts).
Not that I'm defending groove (well, okay, maybe I am), but if you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
Flame away.
.... Oooops I posted this already yesterday an now it shows up again.... weird!
Sorry, I don't know what happened, just deleted it!
groovebuster
Sorry, I don't know what happened, just deleted it!
groovebuster
~lordrpi
I find that to be a very interesting story!
I really think that something is happenig or NOT happening inside Apple.
One example is the Divx problem, why in the world is it so hard to get this codex to work on a current os? I am sure there must be a way, but I sure havent figured it out yet.
I mean what happened to Macs beingthe easiest computers to work with.
Does not being able to do something make it easier to give up?
You have any others stories to back up the "engineers in the clouds" possibilties.?
I find that to be a very interesting story!
I really think that something is happenig or NOT happening inside Apple.
One example is the Divx problem, why in the world is it so hard to get this codex to work on a current os? I am sure there must be a way, but I sure havent figured it out yet.
I mean what happened to Macs beingthe easiest computers to work with.
Does not being able to do something make it easier to give up?
You have any others stories to back up the "engineers in the clouds" possibilties.?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Further Details Regarding Leaked Pro Mac
Cheers, thanks for putting me right on that
I should have realised it was just the optical drives Steve was talking about.
Come to think of it, doesn't the new XServe RAID have vertically oriented hard drives.
Cheers, thanks for putting me right on that
I should have realised it was just the optical drives Steve was talking about.
Come to think of it, doesn't the new XServe RAID have vertically oriented hard drives.
It has to do with license fees, copyrights, patents and support. DivX is no officlal format, it is a "hack" of some codecs mixed together by some Open Source freaks, even violating the patent pending mp4 standard, since it is using some parts for the video-compression.
Do you think that the Windows Media Player can play DixXs by standard? Last time I checked it couldn't.
Apple only implements technology that is based on official patents or standards, what is all OK in my opinon. QT is open for Plug-Ins, so it is up to the OpenSource community to deliver a working DivX Plug-In or Player for MacOS X...
It is the same reason why you will never see a DVD-Player that can play DivX-movies, although the technology is there and there were already some prototypes.
The moment Apple would implement DivX in Qt, they would be in deep sh*t with the media industry. And that's the last thing they want with their digital hub strategy.
groovebuster