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No way. Apple (hopefully) learned their lesson with the Mac Pro 2013. There's no way whatever they design will not allow internal and external expansion, though I do agree, the casing will be somewhat smaller.
I don’t know how they would easily expand memory since that is an integral part of the System On a Chip design. But I’m not a chip designer. Even in the iMac line will you be limited to Apple only graphics? I would think lack of graphic card options would seriously limit the iMac Pro’s desirability.
 
Revolutionary Chip. Great products for average users but a massive disappoint for any power user who multitasks. A max limit of 16GB shared memory between system and Graphics on any of these systems including a “pro” laptop is embarrassing. I use up my 32GB and need to upgrade to accommodate my workflow and can imagine others with more complex workflows who have similar needs. The 16” MacBook Pro is due for an upgrade, is behind its peers, has a 720p camera for video conferencing and is already missing some of the new Apple technologies. How can a pro user feel comfortable spending over $6000 on 16” MacBook Pro today?
well my hope is apple knows nobody is gonna buy one of these to make their paycheck on. And they are holding back those offerings until we all get our feet wet,
 
I just hope all major software moves quickly to native M1. I want to jump the gun and get the wife a Mac Mini for school work, but worry about software compatibility.
 
A mini-Mac Pro that looks just like the current one would be something I'd love - not that I'd be able to afford it haha.

I would still miss the ability to upgrade the hardware with PCIe hardware. Still don't know how a Pro can be a Pro without the upgradability... will capture cards work? Will GPUs work for rendering? Still need to be able to use specialized hardware for production work.

But yeah, a mini Mac Pro would look amazing on my desk if it's still the new cheese grater style...
 
I just hope all major software moves quickly to native M1. I want to jump the gun and get the wife a Mac Mini for school work, but worry about software compatibility.
With the speed bump, rosetta 2 should allow things to work just about as well as they do on the last low-end intel models.
 
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I feel sorry for parallels and VMWARE.

They just lost all kinds of future business losing the ability to run windows on ARM chips instead of intel

Hackintosh on Intel and AMD is the future!

Yes, except that in just a few years Apple will stop building their OS for Intel at all. They will simply 'obsolete' otherwise perfectly good hardware as they have repeatedly done. I'm thinking that once the MacOS is written and compiled only for ARM there won't be any real future in Hackintosh on Intel and AMD. Hopefully that's quite a few years off, but it's almost certain to eventually happen.

Still, I'm certainly interested in seeing both the synthetic benchmarks and real-world performance of the ARM and Intel Macs side-by-side to see how much performance is really there. If there really are significant performance advantages AND if developers can easily take advantage of the features that provide that performance, then that's good news.
 
The 14" MacBook Pro is what I’m waiting for. I expect it will have features that the other Apple ARM devices have, like built in cellular support and Face ID. My few-year-old 13" MacBook Pro will hold me until them.
 
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Either the 2021 iPad Pro 12.9 or 14” MacBook Pro will replace my 2017 13” MacBook Pro. I’ll keep my old 2018 12.9 iPad Pro for games and casual use.

My only concern with going with the iPad route is the limitations of iPadOS. Maybe the all Apple silicon lineup will close the gap on what Apple does with software between iPadOS and macOS.
 
The 16" Macbook Pro has not really had a proper update since Nov 2019 other than the 5600m gpu made available during the summer.

Apple should release one last 16" Intel Macbook Pro with 10th generation intel cpus instead of the current 9th generation cpus, and wifi 6 instead of wifi 5.

Apple could release the last 16" intel Macbook pro with the following but it probably will not happen: amd 6000 series graphics, 1080p webcam, and ddr5 ram.
 
The 16" Macbook Pro has not really had a proper update since Nov 2019 other than the 5600m gpu made available during the summer.

Apple should release one last 16" Intel Macbook Pro with 10th generation intel cpus instead of the current 9th generation cpus, and wifi 6 instead of wifi 5.

Apple could release the last 16" intel Macbook pro with the following but it probably will not happen: amd 6000 series graphics, 1080p webcam, and ddr5 ram.
and wifi 6. But I doubt we'll see it, especially since the 10th gen chips aren't out until about when the AS machines are expected.
 
Revolutionary Chip. Great products for average users but a massive disappoint for any power user who multitasks. A max limit of 16GB shared memory between system and Graphics on any of these systems including a “pro” laptop is embarrassing. I use up my 32GB and need to upgrade to accommodate my workflow and can imagine others with more complex workflows who have similar needs. The 16” MacBook Pro is due for an upgrade, is behind its peers, has a 720p camera for video conferencing and is already missing some of the new Apple technologies. How can a pro user feel comfortable spending over $6000 on 16” MacBook Pro today?
I get run out of memory errors at 64gb. They are gonna need 128gb pro models. I shudder to think the cost apple will charge me for that tho.
 
The 16" Macbook Pro has not really had a proper update since Nov 2019 other than the 5600m gpu made available during the summer.

Apple should release one last 16" Intel Macbook Pro with 10th generation intel cpus instead of the current 9th generation cpus, and wifi 6 instead of wifi 5.

Apple could release the last 16" intel Macbook pro with the following but it probably will not happen: amd 6000 series graphics, 1080p webcam, and ddr5 ram.

Why bother with 10th generation when Tiger Lake H processors aren’t too far off? Apple could release an updated 16” in Q1 next year followed by Apple Silicon in Q3. The Intel version could then continue alongside the AS version until the Intel model is discontinued, a la the 13” MacBooks currently.

Plus AMD’s 6000 series GPUs aren’t out yet anyway so there not really any rush.
 
has anyone found out how long osx will support intel cpus? Will that be the point we can no longer translate older software? Anything that isnt updated will be gone? I have some great tiny things that are sublime and would be a great loss.
 
Does each M1 has 16GB RAM and is 8GB upgraded to 16GB via an software switch!?
My guess is no, that they are binning. I.e. M1s that fail testing because of memory errors in one part of their DRAM have the bad half turned off. It's a common semiconductor technique, which they might also appear to be using for the 7 core GPU versions for the entry level MacBook Air.
 
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According to Apple, the software runs faster on the M1 in Rosetta2 emulation than on the native Intel machines...
That is not quite what was said. I think there may have been a little purposeful obfuscation going on there. I only watched it once, so someone else correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure what was said was basically more like this (paraphrase); "Our integrated ARM GPU is so much better than the integrated GPUs from Intel that even though a title (he showed a game, so I'll talk about games too) is running in Rosetta2 it can (not will) actually have better performance." Here's what will probably happen; some games that are GPU bound (limited by the GPU) may run better. Most or all games that are CPU bound (limited by the CPU) will run worse. Most or all games that are balanced (push both GPU and CPU at about equal levels) will run worse.
 
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I get run out of memory errors at 64gb. They are gonna need 128gb pro models. I shudder to think the cost apple will charge me for that tho.

I can’t imagine them making 128 an option on a MacBook with the way they showed memory packaging with the M1. Although like you suggested that would be tempting and therefore painful to the pocket.
 
has anyone found out how long osx will support intel cpus? Will that be the point we can no longer translate older software? Anything that isnt updated will be gone? I have some great tiny things that are sublime and would be a great loss.

If the ARM transition is consistent with the PowerPC to Intel transition (and so far it's been dead on, including new CPUs in existing form factors), the last major update to MacOS that will support Intel will be next years. After that Intel Macs will receive at least three years of OS updates for their last OS release.

But it's my impression that Apple has been extending their security updates for older hardware the last few years, which is why I say "at least three years". Wouldn't be surprised if Intel hardware gets closer to 10 years than 4 years of security updates.
 
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You need more then 8 cores. I would think a compelling mac pro product would have 24-32 cores


Once again, I am not a chip designer, but isn’t a big advantage that the CPU, the GPU, the memory and the Neural Engine all on the same chip is that they can use a shared optimized bus allowing faster access to each other? If memory is part of the chip then how do you add more memory after purchasing? I can see them having multiple SOC’s with increasing memory (a 32 GB, a 64, 128, 256 etc) but can you upgrade?

I’m not against ordering a SOC based on how much memory you want but it means you are tied to Apple for memory.
 
hmm what to do what to do. I’m finally about to retire the best laptop every made, 2012 MBP classic.
I wanted a new iMac but now not sure if I should wait till June of just pull the trigger now????

Decisions decisions
 
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