iPhones with OLED and possible screen burn [MERGED]

[darksithpro]

I read this article from Engadget where Samsung's newest phone, the S8 actually moves the home button around slightly to prevent screen burn. Because they did this it still seems like screen burn is still a potential problem in 2017. Was just wondering what your thoughts are, since I bet the OLED screens Apple will be putting in their phones will likely be supplied by Samsung? Here's the article: https://www.engadget.com/2017/04/28/galaxy-s8-home-button-shifts/

"Modern screens like the OLED ones on Samsung's Galaxy S8 can also suffer from burn-in. Since the new flagship's Home button is virtual now, the company had to do something to prevent it from getting burned in to your display. The solution? Moving the Home button image around a little bit."

 

[willmtaylor]

You don't think Apple has considered this?

 

[44267547]

I think at this point, all OLED displays can or will likely suffer some type of burn in. I Obviously can't speak for the iPhone 8 or what Apple is going to be doing, but even LG's high end OLED TV can suffer burn in.

To help alleviate with burn in, OLED displays pixels tend to shift. And yes, Apple purchased 700 million OLED displays from Samsung from what I last read. At this point, I'm really not too worried about it. And if any reports of burn in would surface, it would come far later after the iPhone 8 will be released.

 

[darksithpro]

You don't think Apple has considered this?

They probably have, however since iOS is pretty stock and cannot be customized as much as Android, screen burn in could be a problem for iOS.
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if any reports of burn in would surface, it would come far later after the iPhone 8 will be released.

Future #BurnGate?

 

[44267547]

They probably have, however since iOS is pretty stock and cannot be customized as much as Android, screen bun could be a problem for iOS.
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Future #BurnGate?

Let's hope Not! But I'm sure something will surface or an issue will arise. But I trust Apple to stand behind their products, which is half the reason I am a huge supporter.

 

[darksithpro]

Let's hope Not! But I'm sure something will surface or an issue will arise. But I trust Apple to stand behind their products, which is half the reason I am a huge supporter.

Here's a legit question, how are they going to put a fingerprint scanner in the front and not suffer burn in?

 

[44267547]

Here's a legit question, how are they going to put a fingerprint scanner in the front and not suffer burn in?

Good question. That is, if they actually embed the home button into the display. But even so, haps Apple has a way of a workaround where It would not suffer a burn in with the home button embedded into the display. Or, unless the button is routed to the back of the iPhone, which would rectify that issue until Apple makes the transition of embedding the home button into the Display.

 

[darksithpro]

Maybe that's one of the issues they are having with putting it in the front? Relentless, you my be on to something here...

 

[willmtaylor]

Here's a legit question, how are they going to put a fingerprint scanner in the front and not suffer burn in?

Burn in occurs when the exact same image remains in the exact same place over long periods of time.

The phones' screens already light up automatically when lifted. I don't know why something similar couldn't happen with the fingerprint indicator.

I don't understand what the issue/question/problem here is.

 

[Shirasaki]

I guess those yellowish areas on my computer touch screen suffers a different type of "burn in".

 

[darksithpro]

Burn in occurs when the exact same image remains in the exact same place over long periods of time.

The phones' screens already light up automatically when lifted. I don't know why something similar couldn't happen with the fingerprint indicator.

I don't understand what the issue/question/problem here is.

Because if they place the fingerprint scanner in the lower front, it will not have any wiggle room for the pixels to move around to prevent burn in, thus burn in will occur over time, as well as the static layout of the icons in the default icon screen of the phone. Meaning your default screen when you unlock will eventually burn in when playing videos, games or other apps. Samsung made the home button moving around slightly, since the average lifespan of a phone is two years it's likely that since they made these features now, screen burn in will occur before the 2 years of use if the standard pixel layout remains the same when you are at the standard layout.

 

[willmtaylor]

Because if they place the fingerprint scanner in the lower front, it will not have any wiggle room for the pixels to move around to prevent burn in, thus burn in will occur over time, as well as the static layout of the icons in the default icon screen of the phone. Meaning your default screen when you unlock will eventually burn in when playing videos, games or other apps. Samsung made the home button moving around slightly, since the average lifespan of a phone is two years it's likely that since they made these features now, screen burn in will occur before the 2 years of use if the standard pixel layout remains the same when you are at the standard layout.

You either didn't read or understand what I wrote.

 

[darksithpro]

You either didn't read or understand what I wrote.

Actually I did. IMO Apple in one way, or another will suffer from Screen burn in over time.

 

[willmtaylor]

Actually I did. IMO Apple in one way, or another will suffer from Screen burn in over time.

THAT, I don't disagree with. Given the many static elements of iOS as it stands, this will most likely be an issue (barring unforeseen technological advances).

I was replying to your suggestion that the fingerprint scanner specifically would have burn in issues. However, that's a UI element that can easily appear ad hoc.

 

[darksithpro]

THAT, I don't disagree with. Given the many static elements of iOS as it stands, this will most likely be an issue (barring unforeseen technological advances).

I was replying to your suggestion that the fingerprint scanner specifically would have burn in issues. However, that's a UI element that can easily appear ad hoc.

Can we both agree while OLED is generally better than LCD, but it definitely has it's drawbacks and is not mature enough to be better than current LCD technology outright, do to Burn in issues?

 

[willmtaylor]

Can we both agree while OLED is generally better than LCD, but it definitely has it's drawbacks and is not mature enough to be better than current LCD technology outright, do to Burn in issues?

I think that's TBD and it largely depends on one's priorities.

Additionally, we cannot yet judge Apple's implementations.

We'll see.

 

[darksithpro]

I think that's TBD and it largely depends on one's priorities.

Additionally, we cannot yet judge Apple's implementations.

We'll see.

I thinks that's a fair assumption. Not trying to diss Apple, or OLED. Just trying to point out the plus and minuses to the new technology.

 

[I7guy]

Burn in and pink screen types of issues would, imo, be a bit of an issue for apple. LCD tech is mature and reliable at this point.

 

[Newtons Apple]

Here's a legit question, how are they going to put a fingerprint scanner in the front and not suffer burn in?

I, like others, trust that Apple will figure it out, knowing how anal some of their customers are.

If not they will exclude screen burnin from being under warranty.

I am betting they will figure it out just like Sammy.
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Burn in and pink screen types of issues would, imo, be a bit of an issue for apple. LCD tech is mature and reliable at this point.

Old twisted crystal LCDs are mature too but it is time to move on. I have seen the Samsung screen and they are awesome. No matter what Apple does it will not make every one happy.

 

[jfinn]

It's just one of the negatives with OLED. It will always have the chance of screen burn in.

 

[blackberrycubed]

There are already reports, within a week, of Home button burn in on the S8. Mind you S8 home button moves around to prevent burnin and yet it happened! Reddit has the stories with pictures.

 

[I7guy]

I, like others, trust that Apple will figure it out, knowing how anal some of their customers are.

If not they will exclude screen burnin from being under warranty.

I am betting they will figure it out just like Sammy.
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Old twisted crystal LCDs are mature too but it is time to move on. I have seen the Samsung screen and they are awesome. No matter what Apple does it will not make every one happy.

I'm thinking apple customers are a very picky bunch and burn-in, pink screen won't over well. If in fact the rumors are true.

 

[Newtons Apple]

I'm thinking apple customers are a very picky bunch and burn-in, pink screen won't over well. If in fact the rumors are true.

I do not believe that Apple is stupid.

Here we are dogging the 8 out and it has not even been introduced. Let's at least wait till October or November when it is introduced.

"Very picky bunch" is an understatement for sure.

 

[Conutz]

The Watch uses OLED, so Apple already has quite a lot of mileage with those displays. I think they've been clever to gain some experience with a smaller product line before rolling out on the biggest one. I therefore don't expect Apple to have too many hassles with the iPhone OLED displays.

 

[Atomic Walrus]

Can we both agree while OLED is generally better than LCD, but it definitely has it's drawbacks and is not mature enough to be better than current LCD technology outright, do to Burn in issues?

I won't even agree that OLED is "generally better." The PWM (flicker) dimming is already a no go for me on a primary device, but the burn in makes it an especially bad choice for anything that gets more static screen time than a watch (assuming you're not using an always on display). The screen uniformity isn't any better than LCD, you just like trade one type of variance (backlight) for another (subpixel current response).

I'm one of those people who's been holding on to a Kuro (old Pioneer plasma TV) for almost a decade. I'll tolerate the flicker effect here, when the content on screen is mostly fairly dark, but for me it's intolerable on a mostly white screen or when you're trying to read. The black levels and saturation of an emissive display are worth it on a TV, where you're primarily consuming video content, but aren't of much value on a phone.

I've had every Note since the 3 and, after a few minutes of being impressed by the zero blacks and the color range, I've never found them to be particularly good displays. For any reading or work I'd much rather deal with the issues of LCD.

The LG OLED TVs are very impressive, I will say that. No PWM and incredible color reproduction, contrast ratios, but they still suffer really bad burn in even compared to plasma. In this content-viewing context I would probably be okay with the trade off, but is everyone seriously spending a lot of time watching video on their phones?

The sooner we can get to micro-LED and past OLED the better.