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G4

Well...

...IF apple can get DDR working well with the G4 (not like the XServe) then it will go a LONG way towards solving the G4's problems. Pretty much the only one left will be the poor DP floating point (and that's relative, it's actually pretty good).

<crosses fingers>
 
Smart move, Rene, as I was just about to adopt the most recent holiday song by the real king of newbie flamers:

[xmas type song]Roasting newbies on an open fire...[/xmas type song]

But, since I am off duty, try to get through your day at work. And tell me you work with an AC, or I am going to be sick! :eek: :cool:
 
Well, the Register may be mistaken, but they are pretty good. HMM... Apple could have lobbied for a modification to the chip, if it had some other advantage they really wanted, its possible. Maybe it has something to do with this full DDR throughput?:confused:
 
peck, peck, peck.

I cant believe the amount of bickering that goes on here.
you guys must be really young. I couldnt imagine adults
acting like the majority of the people on this forum.

Your predictions are hardly ever right, yet your behavior
towards apple and to each other are terribly predictable.

I cant believe this you guys are just silly.
 
Originally posted by King Cobra


Hey, Rene, you're a newbie. And you're telling me what you think in response to opinions. This is classic!

But, to be more accurate, this is a rumors site. And I thought I read somewhere that the G4 or some version of it can only go to 1.5GHz, maybe a bit faster. I am not too sure, but I thought I heard that somewhere. And I also thought I read that the G5 can only go to 4 or 5GHz.

Rene, if you plan to not respect thoughts and/or personal opinions, remember this statement Alpha posted earlier (something like this):

Opinions are like ashholes. Everyone has one, but you don't have to like somebody else's. :cool:
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your behavior,and behavior of *SOME* oldbies with large post count..and demi-gods..those dpvgsomething is totally immature and disgusting!
you treat -500 p.count users like they are lower beings,they have to apologize for every f*cking opinion which is in conflict with yours! thats primitive and offensive you know? position yourself in place of those 'victims' and you'll see it is not very nice..
i just hope i dont get flamed to death by some..
 
i agree

ive been at macrumors for a long ass time. I simply havent posted. Dont get on peoples cases for actually speaking up. If you dont agree with their opinions, too damn bad. If anything, flame those (me included) who read the posts but dont contribute to the conversation. And us "newbies", we should understand that these people have taken time out of their day to contribute to the conversation. Something we profit from, yet dont support. So everyone chill the f**k out. Damn, if I wanted to listen to bickering, id go hang out with ex-girlfriend!:p
 
Hey, Quad, I was saying that people (it doesn't matter who) shouldn't disrespect people's opinions. When Rene said "how can you estimate what its potential is?!" that basically means that my personal opinion is ridiculous. As far as I am concerned, 1.4GHz is not out of line.

Then I simply procedded to make him feel better by supporting him, telling him to try and get through the day. Then --get your glasses on-- I made a joke to try and make him feel better. Since I THINK most buisnesses have air conditioned offices, and, since it should be summer around the country, I went on to say that if he doesn't have AC I would be sick, since I can't stand to find out about people suffering from the heat.

So I am not making other apologize at all, but I am pointing out that honest opinions shouldn't be rejected like that. And if you still don't understand the joke, look up the word in the dictionary. It should be right between confused and misunderstanding.

Now don't take that as a newbie threat, as I at least NEVER try to threaten people, or make them apologize, on the forums, unless it's a JOKE. But I do make them realize their mistakes. Plus, I at least try to cheer them up if they are feeling low.

Don't turn me into a person with lots of experience behind the flames, as you would not want to find out what I can do... [evil laugh] :cool:
 
Re: peck, peck, peck.

Originally posted by beatle888
I cant believe the amount of bickering that goes on here.
you guys must be really young.
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You are correct that there is plenty of youth and immaturity here. I don't mind the youth, but the immaturity gets old. (So to speak.)

Except for poop jokes... those never get old. :)

Fab nick, by the way.
 
Originally posted by King Cobra
Hey, Quad, I was saying that people (it doesn't matter who) shouldn't disrespect people's opinions.
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It is your opinion that one should respect others' opinions. I don't respect your opinions. Do you respect my opinion not to respect your opinions? :)
 
Originally posted by alex_ant
It is your opinion that one should respect others' opinions. I don't respect your opinions. Do you respect my opinion not to respect your opinions? :)
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Easy, big guy. What I said is something that has been said over and over on the forums, so that doesn't make my statement an opinion, unless it has always been an opinion by EVERYONE who has said it before.

And I don't have to respect your opinion to disrespect mine, but I try to respect it as well, as long as it stays in line. (Yes, that was an opinion.)

Here is another one: alex, I think you should try to use more smilies. :) :D
 
Re: translation

Now, to get this thread back on topic... ::dodges flaming poop::

Originally posted by delta.hex


It is written in such a bad french that it can be ambiguous... What it means is:

According to APPLE, they are among the few (only?) ones to manufacture an ASIC that can truly take full advantage of the DDR (the original version actually says DDR) modules for a maximized bandwith.
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Does this mean that Apple is among the few who can make DDR work at its best on the Mac only, or is that among PC makers too? That's be interesting, yet just like Apple is. They are late in the game, but when they get there, they're better than almost everyone else...
 
???

Okay, I think I unintentionally confused the **** out of both of us.

I think what everyone is getting at is that yes, opinions are opinions, but the way it works here is this:

Person A: "Here's what I think, blah blah blah, and I think I'm right because blah blah blah."

Person B: "No, you're wrong about blah blah blah, I think blah blah blah, because blah blah blah."

Person A: "Perhaps, but..."

And so on. That's not a written rule, it's basic social behavior. These are discussion forums. Not tow-the-party-line forums. (Arguably.) People have opinions and ideas and conspiracy theories and they want to get them out there for people to poke and pick at and dissect. They argue them and others argue against them. That's the whole point of a discussion forum. Post count doesn't matter - the most intelligent posts I've ever read at Macrumors were made by someone with less than 50 posts. What is a newbie? Someone who may well be wiser than any of us, with more in-depth knowledge and a better understanding of the issues. Who knows why they're new here? Perhaps they were too busy working on Motorola CMOS development to join earlier? I'm just saying that it's stupid to pick on newbies just because they're new. If they're idiots, that's another story, but I've noticed that for every idiot newbie here, there is at least one idiot with 500+ posts (including myself, on occasion :)).

Alex
 
I am very well aware of the fact that post count doesn't determine **** about intelligence. And I agree that you can't judge a person with 4000+ posts among someone with 2000, 500, or 10, or any other way around. So maybe "newbie" was inconsiderate, but it seems to be a joke that roams the boards.

The one opinion that I do need to say though: I don't think anyone, who flat out babbles about their peecee, will EVER leave the real "newbie" world, unless they convert.

But, with all that aside, I would like to get back on topic.

As for the overall functionality, I thought that DDR-RAM was DDR-RAM, and different speeds of these chips could perform faster operations. I know that some peecees have memory that is represented by 400MHz, but is really a four-way of 100MHz, but I don't see how certain types of memory are affected by ASIC.

And even when Apple seems to be behind in the game, we can count on the converts coming to the site. :cool:
 
Swear as you like

Hola, King Cobra,

haga como quieras. Mi da igual.:p

Rene, hartelijk welkom. Leuk om je te ontmoeten...
Newbie of niet, dat geeft niets :)
Weet je, er zijn altijd mensen die moeten zich gedragen als een lulhannes...

De ballen !

:D
 
ok folks, lets cut the bickering and get back to subject at hand, the new G4s. If Apple would release the 7460 chip then they are silly since it doesnt support a L3 cache. The 7470 sounds more likely to me. Actually this whole rumor seems a little flaky to me. I never like these translated rumors from France or wherever. The 7570 supports .13 micron proccessing which can only help out the G4 but then again so does the 7500. If Apple plans to release the G5 in January then they will have to release the 7500 this July. If you see the 7470 or even the 7460 then don't expect the G5 until next summer ( wow that would really suck). I see no reason why the 7500 series won't be released this July. Apple can use the 7470s and 7460s in the iMacs and Powerbooks.

But we shall see in 3 weeks.
 
Originally posted by King Cobra
...statement Alpha posted earlier (something like this):

Opinions are like ashholes. Everyone has one, but you don't have to like somebody else's.
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dude, we already know that what comes out of alphas mouth is pretty much the same as what comes out of his 'ashhole' (sic). Are you in the same category?
 
Long Island...

Originally posted by TyleRomeo
ok folks, lets cut the bickering and get back to subject at hand, the new G4s. If Apple would release the 7460 chip then they are silly since it doesnt support a L3 cache. The 7470 sounds more likely to me. Actually this whole rumor seems a little flaky to me. I never like these translated rumors from France or wherever. The 7570 supports .13 micron proccessing which can only help out the G4 but then again so does the 7500. If Apple plans to release the G5 in January then they will have to release the 7500 this July. If you see the 7470 or even the 7460 then don't expect the G5 until next summer ( wow that would really suck). I see no reason why the 7500 series won't be released this July. Apple can use the 7470s and 7460s in the iMacs and Powerbooks.

But we shall see in 3 weeks.
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not really responding to your post. just saw a fellow long islander. have you heard any news about the Roosevelt Field store? I work near the SOHO store and it's hard to tell what progress is happening inside. i hope one of them will be open for MWNY.
 
well i feel better.....

after reading the last couple posts i feel better coming to
this site. Things are looking up.:D

I dont know, these rumors, how many are accually true?
we were a bit off base last time weren't we?
But after the last expo, we where happy hear on the forums.
I think you guys will like what you see.

You know will get DDR, I would not be supprised at
1.4mhz. New enclosures will probably be saved for the
G#. FireWire2, USB2, Jaguar,,,,,,,I bet I bet. Better graphics
cards....maybe maybe running QX. Faster drives, Faster Buses.
And for a little surgar on top how about some of that EyeCandy
they seem to like to pass out for free......an iApp....perhaps.

I mean, it could be possible and that would make us happy, or
atleast a little.:D :D :D
 
Correct translation

Selon Apple, il sont un parmis les seuls à fabriquer un ASIC vraiment capable de d'exploiter au maximum les modules de DDR pour un débit maximisé.

= Apple claims they are among the only ones able to manufacture an 'ASIC' that takes fully advantage of DDR for a maximum bandwitdh...

in fact the original translation ('apple says that they are among the only ones to be capable to produce an asic that can really fully exploit ddr bandwidth ') is not bad at all...

it's my first post here so don't blame me if I'm wrong ;)
 
About GDR

this is indeed a babelfish mistake...
I think it tries to translate DDR as Deutsche Demokratische Republik thus
GDR=German Democratic Republic (former East Germany) :)


Another good example of why I use babelfish when I'm bored :D :D
 
Originally posted by King Cobra
Hey, Quad, I was saying that people (it doesn't matter who) shouldn't disrespect people's opinions. When Rene said "how can you estimate what its potential is?!" that basically means that my personal opinion is ridiculous. As far as I am concerned, 1.4GHz is not out of line.
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you see,that is ridiculous,then you should say 'i think they'll made cpu for xxx ghz max' but its ok...that really doesnt matter,what matters is how,shall i say evil you said to him that he should respect your opinion,but he was simply wondering how can you estimate 'potential of some cpu'..
ahh..whatever,you seem like a nice guy
oh man..*mq gives king cobra bear hug*:p ;) :cool: :D
 
Another french rumor: 1 G5 @ MWNY

ANother french site (www.macplus.org/macplus) has posted a rumor telling that there will be a G5 at MWNY. we are going to say hello to Fast and Faster G4 and an ultimate G5 @ 1.6GHz (the only CPU that can be produce in high number).
As usual, this rumor has been posted by an anonymous source...
 
see this is the best part

the ...... what if we get this .....or even better that.
This is definately the best part.

See rumors are rumors, maybe we will see the first
G5. Remember when the first run of the G4 came out?
didn't it run on a G3 board? I KNOW I KNOW i could be
wrong but there was something about the first G4's that
made them inferior to what Apple planned on producing
in there next revision. SO maybe we'll get a first run G5
with all the DDR and bus improvements that we all want
with a new case and Jaguar, making the system with it's
state of the art graphics card tuned specifically for the mac
and QX. How much memory and how many processors can
go on a high end graphics chip? You know they did ask the
movie industry what it would take to make them happy.
And what can make that industry happy, well I think I'd
be able to crack a smile my self.:D :D :D
Apple wants to make a splash in the comming weeks.
Think about all the advertising there doing.
WE ARE GOING TO BE SO HAPPY.:D :D :D
 
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