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G5 announced Jan, Available Feb / Mar

Good enough for me

I have to admit that as long they at least announce the G5 I'll be happy. I think it is important for Apple to show that they are really working on making big and fast computers by devolping af new chip (Motorola).

Eventhough I don't actually have use of such a big computer I would like to see something new that might win over some wintel-users - they need to show that they are a serious competition to the PC (seen from the eyes of af stupid wintel-user).
 
Re: What Announcement??

Originally posted by kaneda
Where did you get that info about G4's 1.14ghz!! that is whacked! what the hell did Apple do last 6 months? masterbating!

By next year, Apple will fall further behind to PC. They better get their head out of their (_|_) and make some serious products here! We don't need ipod! We need a faster personal PC, and making Powerful laptop will not gain much of Personal PC market.

Next year, I think more and more people will convert to PC. If it is really true that their next desktop will be 1.14ghz and summer I guess dual 1.14ghz...I will definitely get a PC and that run WIN XP.

this is what I am going to get.
http://www.alienware.com
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I had a look and I am truly envious if you get that system with the Klipsch Pro Media 5.1 system. I have Klipsch Pro Media 2.1 attached to my G4 and they are truly fine. However There is one huge drawback on that system: Windows.
 
They'll do what they did with the G4

When they announced the newest G4, they shipped the 733MHz and 867Mhz models two weeks later. It took almost a month for the DP800, IIRC. Anyway that's probably what will happen here; they ship the 1.0 and 1.2 GHz two week after they announce them and the 1.4Ghz a month after.
 
Looking into the crystal ball...

DESKTOPS
Speed-bumps for existing Quicksilver G4's to 1.4Ghz single processor, 1Ghz dual processor and 867Mhz Single Processor. All machine come with Superdrive.

IMACS
Entry level iMac has same form factor as current iMacs, indigo color, 600Mhz G3, retailing at $799
Mid range iMac with new LCD based all-in-one metal and white plastic enclosure 800Mhz G3 $999
Top range iMac, same enclosure as mid range, 1Ghz G3, Optional Superdrive & hardware MPEG compression for iDVD

 
Did anyone ever ask Why?

After skimming more posts than I care to that <b>*demand*</b> G5's and 1 Ghz+ processors, I can only wonder whether or not any one asked themselves "Why do I need this power"?

I have always considered myself a power user and unlike Wintel machines of my past, the 400 Mhz G4 Ti with 256mb of RAM is completely satisfactory for my needs as an IT consultant. What are you guys doing that you are all up in arms that Apple isn't following down the rediculous road Intel is forging?

Get this news - by this time next year, you won't be able to buy a new Intel system that runs at less than 2 Ghz (you heard it hear first) so then what are you going to do? I ask why do we need all that power? Games? Buy a PS2/X Box/GameCube. Want to do some work, even the low end iMacs (with 128+ ram) boom through OS X.

I would much rather buy a well rounded system with fast firewire, ubiquitous USB, agile Airport, 1GB Eithernet, large clear screens, awesome battery life, plenty of RAM, and, oh yeah, a process that keeps pace with, not blows away, these components' capabilities.

But then maybe everyone who posts to this group works on render farms and needs that kind of power at a keystroke.
 
Mac's Rule

I've been working in A mac store. I have worked in a wintel store also I have used fast computers from both sides. Mac's ROCK. the 733Mhz powermac kills a 2Ghz pentium poor. I guess that you could show me a program that crawls on the mac and soars on the pc. I could show you the same I'm sure I program written poorly will not run quickly. and when a pc user writes a program for the mac I'd figure it'll often happen poorly. (hint: if a program runs more quickly on VPC than it does natively on the mac somone didn't do their programing very well) the G3's are another story they have potential and every one of the mentaly stable people that have had decent control of the language I speek: I have been able to make understand that the G4 is faster Mhz to Mhz than the G3. Right now the line breaks at 700Mhz G3 to 733Mhz G4 on the desktops the G3 can go faster but I think apple has tried to keep from confusing the public I'd not be suprised if we see some realy fast G3's (or I wish) and a little sped bump on the G4's. Don't write this in stone in fact write it only in pencil because we at the store are not told of the new products until apple anounces them to the public. But I don't think we'll see or hear a word about G5's. I do think that we'll see some cool things and that the Keynote will be one to remember but I don't expect the G5 it just doesn't make sense.

[Edited by Lera on 12-27-2001 at 03:08 AM]
 
Re: Unfortuantely...

Kethoticus-

np :)


Originally posted by dantec
I think Apple will stick a 800mhz G5 in their lowest powermac. Then the 1.2 and 1.5 models will ship a little later, (about 2 weeks) and the dual will come, the following month.
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Why would Apple release 800mhz, 1.2ghz & 1.5ghz? It would a consistent increase, not 400mhz and a 300mhz increase.

I think 1ghz, 1.2ghz and 1.4ghz G5s with all the trimmings:)
 
Re: Did anyone ever ask Why?

Originally posted by amichalo
After skimming more posts than I care to that <b>*demand*</b> G5's and 1 Ghz+ processors, I can only wonder whether or not any one asked themselves "Why do I need this power"?

I have always considered myself a power user and unlike Wintel machines of my past, the 400 Mhz G4 Ti with 256mb of RAM is completely satisfactory for my needs as an IT consultant. What are you guys doing that you are all up in arms that Apple isn't following down the rediculous road Intel is forging?

Get this news - by this time next year, you won't be able to buy a new Intel system that runs at less than 2 Ghz (you heard it hear first) so then what are you going to do? I ask why do we need all that power? Games? Buy a PS2/X Box/GameCube. Want to do some work, even the low end iMacs (with 128+ ram) boom through OS X.

I would much rather buy a well rounded system with fast firewire, ubiquitous USB, agile Airport, 1GB Eithernet, large clear screens, awesome battery life, plenty of RAM, and, oh yeah, a process that keeps pace with, not blows away, these components' capabilities.

But then maybe everyone who posts to this group works on render farms and needs that kind of power at a keystroke.
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I find this to be one of the better thought out posts on this board for weeks.

At some point a computer is purchased to perform tasks, not give bragging rights and blow your hair back.

I would add raid to this list. Frankly raid can be added by firewire to any computer these days.

It wouldn't hurt that Apple gain render farm and server farm market share, but this is less likely soon.

Rocketman
 
gamers gamers gamers

i too, used to be an IT consultant for someone with an IT business and now i have my own IT business and the computing needs are never too wild as an IT consultant

....but don't forget those gamers, the best machine is always not good enough and from what i have been hearing lately, there seem to be more and more of those envelope pushing mac gamers around...i thought the pc world completely kicked mac out of the gaming realm, but mac has come back with a vengeance and as the oldtimers remember, macs use to be synonymous with the concept of kick ass computer gaming

...but the bragging rights crowd probably outnumber the gamers two to one on this forum

i remember someone on this forum getting rid of their 500 mhz g4 because it became too old for them only to replace that with a qucksilver g4...to me that sounds less like need and more like bragging rights

where my wife works, many of the computer users, of all types for all reasons, use g4s, and when the new shipments came in from the company that rents machines to her company, they wondered not what kind of computer they were getting, but if these g4s would be the quicksilver models as opposed to those outdated pre-quicksilver models

...so for any of you who think a pre-quicksilver g4 is too old for them, just give it to some g3 using person (ibook 300) like me or sell it to them super cheap and i am sure you will make them happy

as bad as the bragging rights people are in the mac world, it's not nearly as bad as the envelope pushers of the pc world who have passed 1 ghz early last year and can't wait to approach 2.5 ghz reaaly soon en route to 3 ghz

...some of these types buy or build a machine more than once a year and that would bankrupt the average mac user since we don't have the option to build relatively inexpensive and fast macs...yet (those there are those super geeks who can do that...see woz.org to see and hear from some of them...it's really amazing to say the least!)

[Edited by jefhatfield on 12-27-2001 at 10:56 AM]
 
Where did you get that info about G4's 1.14ghz!! that is whacked! what the hell did Apple do last 6 months? masterbating!

By next year, Apple will fall further behind to PC. They better get their head out of their (_|_) and make some serious products here! We don't need ipod! We need a faster personal PC, and making Powerful laptop will not gain much of Personal PC market.

Next year, I think more and more people will convert to PC. If it is really true that their next desktop will be 1.14ghz and summer I guess dual 1.14ghz...I will definitely get a PC and that run WIN XP.

this is what I am going to get.
http://www.alienware.com
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You do realize that you can build their best system on your own for $600 less than what they charge? i am currently building one for a friend who also considered alienware. Oh, and it is color coordinated for all parts too.
 
GigaWire

U seem more in favor of PeeCee promoting than for discussing Mac rumors. For $600 u can build what kind of computer? Not a Mac! PeeCee's can cost cheap like that to build and there is a reason why.

Apple may be much slower at getting the Mhz #'s up there like their peecee counterparts, but I think most people here can agree that quality of what u get from Apple far exceeds the performance of what u get in a Wintel box. More expensive sure, but if u compare the #'s, a 800 mhz Pentium gets left in the dust of a 733 G4.

just my 2¢...
 
Why do people buy BMW's?

I just can't figure out why people buy BMW's. I mean, for the same money you can get a top of the line Asian car that will last you twice as long and cost you half as much to repair. Further, the same money will buy you an American made car with more horsepower and a louder engine.

But perhaps owners of the self proclaimed 'Ultimate Driving Machine' put more value on their engine being mated to the right suspension, to a silky shifter and the ergonomics of their cockpit. Maybe they like being in a smaller, perhaps more exclusive community of owners.

Gateway/Dell/Alien/etc sell PC's with big engines and flashy fireballs painted on the hoods. But Apple sells the Ultimate Computing Machine and hasn't waisted their customers money by selling 1Ghz systems mated to 64mb of Ram and a 15" monitor just so they can sell a PC for $999 or $499 or $199.

We all have choices to make, but if lowest price isn't your bottom line, then the choices get a bit more interesting, and it is those people who Apple is targeting.

So I still can't figure out WHY we need these hulking beasts of processing power.
 
American Cars

This isn't a mac related comment....

But, American cars suck.


A Porsche, Aston martin, Tvr, Ferrari, Maeserati and etc. could burn a mustang, or a dodge viper no problem.


But one thing those American cars have nice seats I'll give them that.
 
re: cars

analogies bring the often cloudy world of apple into clearer view for those on the inside of apple like us who use them and those on the outside (first time users and pc users)

sometimes it makes no sense to tell a first time computer user that the mac at 733 mhz with an altivec g4 processor is better than that 1 ghz pc with an amd duron or athlon because it beat it in adobe photoshop tests in an unsharp mask time

analogies give new users as well as seasoned techies a viewpoint and the "bmw" analogy is the best i have heard yet

i would also like to compare macs to volvos because macs are tough and they last long and both products have a fiercely loyal following
 
re: American Cars

This is the exact way I describe to friends and non-believers how a Mac is better vs. a PeeCee....at least when I explain to them why Macs are used for what I do...

They always shake their heads like they understand and say "ooohhh......ok"
 
iMac = VW Beetle (odd but kinda cool)

PowerBook G4 = Audi TT (stylish, sporty but not the fastest)

[Edited by Foocha on 12-27-2001 at 01:20 PM]
 
So why does the Mhz Myth still exist?

If so many of you agree that it isn't Mhz that makes the machine, then I have two questions:

(1) Why does the computing public still relate Mhz with performace?

(2) Why are *Mac* users demanding 1+ Ghz machines?
 
Re: gamers gamers gamers

Originally posted by jefhatfield
....but don't forget those gamers, the best machine is always not good enough and from what i have been hearing lately, there seem to be more and more of those envelope pushing mac gamers around...i thought the pc world completely kicked mac out of the gaming realm, but mac has come back with a vengeance and as the oldtimers remember, macs use to be synonymous with the concept of kick ass computer gaming

...but the bragging rights crowd probably outnumber the gamers two to one on this forum.
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This is an interesting observation. I never really thought of the Mac platform as a gaming machine. I think that was one of the reasons I was not interested in them when I was much younger (when there was the Apple II line, etc). Would you tell us more about the days when Apple was more dominant in gaming? Today, one can hardly find Apple software in a retail store, and I have observed only the best or the best games come to Macs and only much later (Myst, Sims, Civ, etc).

Wonder why Mac users don't demand games. Do you think it is a function of a lack of suppy or a lack of demand?
 
comparing cars to computers

This is the saddest thing I ever saw on this site.
You ever driven a audi TT son?
IT sucks. you driven a beetle? IT sucks.
keep thi siet rumor related. ha
 
re: amichalo

<< After skimming more posts than I care to that <b>*demand*</b> G5's and 1 Ghz+ processors, I can only wonder whether or not any one asked themselves "Why do I need this power"? >>

I use G4's for DV editing and high-end audio multitracking (along with various print design tasks I'm requested to do from time to time). All of these applications (Final Cut Pro, Logic Audio, Digital Performer, Peak, Photoshop, Lightwave, etc..) are extremely processor intensive, when used to this extent.

So, for myself, the attention to progressive processing is well appreciated, as it saves me from staring through task bars for such extended periods and ultimately makes all of my tasks easier to plow through; technology is, as of yet, catching up to the demands of digital media.

Now, yes.. I realise I'm in a relative minority of users (as many people use their iMacs for word processing and checking email). But, keep in mind that this relative minority makes up a good percentage of Apple's professional majority. That is, digital art's been Apple's cornerstone all all along. And, in many ways, this is what has distinguished it from PC's of the like. If they chose to alienate that audience and, instead, focus on the "average consumer", then they'd no longer fill that niche and be head to head with companies like MS, IBM, and Sony.















 
Re: comparing cars to computers

Originally posted by iwantanewmac
This is the saddest thing I ever saw on this site.
You ever driven a audi TT son?
IT sucks. you driven a beetle? IT sucks.
keep thi siet rumor related. ha
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Keeping this site "rumor related", there is a rumor that the Audi TT has won too many awards to list. A little birdy told me about these five. Does anyone know of more?

*Car and Driver "10 Best" Award
*AAA "Top Car" Award
*Consumer Digest "Best Buy"
*Automobile Magazine "Design of the Year", 2000
*Auto Interiors Magazine "Car Interior of the Year", 2000
 
Hi "iwantanewmac"

Thanks for the dose of attitude. Very bracing.

In fact, you got right to the heart of my point - Macs look very attractive (in a different sort of way) but they're not the best in terms of performance, just like the Beetle & the TT.
 
Maybe they're not the best, but compare to Pc based on Windows... Mac beat them... but if we take a look to Sun computer or big things like that. I agree
 
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