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G5 at MW Tokyo

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I want Apple to redesign the new towers. :O) I want to know what can they think of next! The tower designed is about 3 years old too...SO is the G5 is really a sphere...:O) Or will the new G5 design will look like my toilet. :O)
 
TOwers

Do you guys really think apple can afford to loose customers for the towers by waiting until march to update it?? I dont believe they can! So when are there oportunities to give the towers speed bumps??
 
Umm people THINK!! Apple's next move will be to replace the existing tower chips with duals. All TOWERS WILL BE DUAL PROCESSPORS. THAT WILL DIFFERENTIATE the imac witht he pro computer. THE G5 will be announced at MWNY, not just a month after the new imac is announced(at MWTokyo). Firstly I think Jonathan Ive seriously needsa a friggen holiday and secondly I think the imac needs to be digested by the public. YOU STUPID FREAKS DONT KNOW WHAT KIND OF AN AWESOME REVOLUTIONARY PRODUCT APPLE HAS UNVEILED YESTERDAY.
 
TO KELA:

Well, call yourselfe a stupid freak. I undersand the beauty what happend yesterday. But face it too. In time Apple had no choise to stay with the G3??? So why are you so suprised that its now a super G4. From the marketing aspekt it was necessary for them. Also it brings them more people, more money and more power to be the number one.

TO THE REST:

Ok, said this. I still like to thank all users here for their thoughts. It was nice to see that still some pros are around and not only kids they need a iMac2 to play games and are happy.

For thoses they can stand it to wait for the MWNY, its a shame to think so. I cannot live with the thought to see the apple store the way it is. The pros have to pay ass money down and the iMac is supercheap for the stuff thats in there. In Fact, its redicoulus to have it up. I request that the priced come down or the better upgrade the chips in the machines. Come one. I have to pay double the money for not much more. Thats not fair.

 
Hmmm

Originally posted by ALPHAMATIX
Ok first off, yes the G5 will be released soon, and no it wont be black, not at this point anyway, i have seen prototypes of the G5, and it is beige almost greenish beige, and i am not ********ting, this is direct from a friend overseas. Anyway who cares, at that point i think i will be moving out of the Mac Industry, they just are way too slow, and they are not keeping up with my needs as a designer. For One they are almost 3 years behind the PC, and it hurts me to says this, cause i hate PC's. But i will be forced to buy one shortly. My Firm cannot stick with Mac, when other firms are 3 times ahead with PC's. another thing is price. Mac spends too much time with looks and design and packing everything down. Which is nice, its great actually that they do that for the normal consumer, but what about the design industry that has brought them so far, that needs them at this crucial time, why cant they release two models, cut down on the looks and go for some power, we dont care what it looks like, i just want fast browsing and rendering. I am so upset about everything, i dont feel i need to say more, everyone can see whats happeniong, the last thing i have to say is, i checked it out for kicks, and i figured out i can build a machine almost 5 times as fast as a Mac, basically a fully loaded or (overloaded machine) for around 1700.00 Now you tell me why i would even think of buying a Mac again. Mac user for 9 years, this is heartbreaking. That such a great company can slow things up, they are making a huge mistake, and better bounce back before its too late.
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Hmmmm...
A SuperDrive is 3 yrs behind the PC? NO!
nVida GeForce 3, 3yrs behind the PC? NO! (one month before actually)
80 Gig 7200 ATA 100 HD 3 yrs behind the PC? NO!
Firewire... anyone!
USB? Wouldn't be a de facto standard if not for the iMac!
And you can build a PC 5 times faster than the iMac for 1700,-???? Now take me to your dealer, cuz you must be smoking some really goood ****! Even IF you could compare mhz by mhz (and you can't), A 4GHZ PC DOES NOT EXIST! (800 by 5, is 4000, if you flunked in math...)

Stupid!
NEVER, NEVER, post here again!
 
G5 shipping times, motherboards, Macintosh faithful etc

Hi guys,
if you are really interested in the G4 and G5 project paths chip-wise, you should read the microelectronics sections on both the IBM and Motorola websites. It gives the current processor yields, production schedules and delivery dates. If you take time to read around the subject, i think you'll find a complete motherboard re-design is just around the corner. DDR RAM. Much larger level 2 and level 3 caches and a wider system bus.

Please don't try to tell me that you can pull a pc system together matching this that will be around the $1700 mark. Also,on a PC you simply don't have good enough hardware products to handle uncompressed 10Bit video through a AJA or DigiVoodoo card (as more and more film companies are doing). Reason? Software stability... And please dont get me started on the 'multi-threaded' travesty that is XP. I use both Mac and Windows professionally everyday and it is a constant breath of fresh air to sit in front of that little blue fruit on boot-up. The reason I mention the above is that I can only presume that the people complaining about the processor speeds in the current towers must be high-end professionals using video and 3D apps everyday, as most apps simply dont need any more speed. Processor speeds pose problems for web and print design? Surely not....

Within the last year, Apple have bought Spruce (the DVD hardware/software company) and there is persistance in the rumors of an AVID buyout. They have convinced too many post-production and film software design companies like MAYA and Discreet to port their programmes over to MAC to let them down.

As to the new iMac. Beautiful piece of industrial size? Possibly... Looks a little to similar to a slimmed down version of my 20th Anniversary Mac (the screen perched ontop of the old base unit of the 20). Revolutionary? Not especially. A great deal? You'd better believe it... Just look at the cost of the 15 inch and superdrive one month ago? Apple need to increase the market share of their OS, so they bring out another iMac which has any software and hardware a home user could ever want to use, without cluttering up deskspace in those tiny New York appartments that all Mac users live in (that is supposed to be humor by the way).

These are not the usual insane machinations of an over eager mac fan, but the practical ramblings of an unbiased Apple preferer.

Also remember Gigawire and Apples 'little" wireless everywhere project with Skycorp http://www.apple.com/scitech/stories/skycorp/index2.html.

I wouldn't be moving away from Apple just yet.

JC out....
 
MW Tokyo not until March.

I don't know where you guys get your information but MWT is not until March: http://www.idg.co.jp/expo/mw/
And frankly, Mac had better have the G5s ready by then or one hell of speedbump for the G4 Towers if they expect to keep it's core users happy! They may gain a larger consumer following but they will start to lose thier DTP, Content developers, and high end clients who need speed and power. Thus defeating thier purpose for going after a larger market share.
 
To Marvenp

hi Marvenp,

I entirely agree. As I said above, read the motorola and IBM sites, they are very informative as to the new chips production schedule and testing speeds if you are really concerned. There are high enough yields being produced to get the new motherbords chipped-up with either dual-appollos or possibly even G5s. They will probably be using the modified G3 chips in the ibooks for some time as with the new production process, they are very easy to scale to well over 1 ghz. Maybe the appollos will just be for the Tibook. There are some very interesting articles if you care to look for them.

Apple knows that the only reason its still in business is because of its loyal pro users. It is building its marketing around consumers at the moment as they are the largest core of missing business for Apple. A larger market share using the same gross margins of around 20% on any Apple product allows them to give us better products in the long run. Apple innovate, whilst other PC manufacturers stagnate. The Tibook and the ibook have been the only portables not to drop in sales since their release and this IT recession. Vaio? Down. Dell? Down.

Since iMac first went into production, we have seen some amazing products shipped. Final Cut. DVD Studio Pro. Basically removing the need for a rather pricey AVID symphony and Sonic Solutions system. Be patient with them. I promise you wont be disappointed.

JC out...
 
Re: MW Tokyo not until March.

Originally posted by Marvenp
I don't know where you guys get your information but MWT is not until March: http://www.idg.co.jp/expo/mw/
And frankly, Mac had better have the G5s ready by then or one hell of speedbump for the G4 Towers if they expect to keep it's core users happy! They may gain a larger consumer following but they will start to lose thier DTP, Content developers, and high end clients who need speed and power. Thus defeating thier purpose for going after a larger market share.
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I am a professional editor looking to run Maya. I had an SGI workstation Quad 550 running NT. I never want to see Dr. Watson again. I also world like to see Pixar's Renderman run on OS-X. This new system I will be purchasing will be just for me for the first time. When I ordered my SGI in January of 2000, I had to wait six months to get it and this was a system where everything was was supposedly available. The cost of a system from SGI running IRIX would be many times the cost of the current G-4. My old system without software and monitors came to over $20,000. If Apple markets a new G-5 with faster ram, processors and all the other features, it will truly be a marvel and I personally can't wait to get one.
 
To Saffron

Hi Saffron,

have you run Maya with Final Cut 3 under OS X yet? Just another of the reasons to buy a tower. I'd wait until March if you can, as they are putting in DDR memory and a faster bus which, my company being in the same field as you, I know is well worth the wait.

Apple never introduce dramatically different consumer and pro models in the same expo as it gives their clients a headache. We will see better towers very soon.

JC out...
 
EESH!!

2 Ghz @ perhaps 2Mflops. Whoopty doo. Hey Alphamatrix- you don't happen to be using Pro-E? Blame the SW developers for limiting your options to custom built PC's when a Unix port to OS X would be relatively easy.

For the rest of the whiney idiots: if you think the new iMac is inadequate-BTO a tower and shut up. If you think Macs suck, buy a Wintel and shut up. If you want a high Hz mac with all the bells and whistles for under a grand, stop smoking crack, shut up, and **** off. If you're waiting for the Next Great Thing: Get off it. Tech changes quarterly. Don't buy in the last month before an Expo and shut up.If you think you can do better, start your own company and shut up.

[Edited by mischief on 01-08-2002 at 12:58 PM]
 
Apollo G4s at Tokyo, G5s at MWNY

I don't get it, everyone predicts 1.4ghz apollo g4s and maybe g5s for mwsf, and apple releases nothing. So now you start predicting G5s for tokyo? I think a more realistic prediction would be the apollos at tokyo then G5s at mwny. I'm not trying to be pessimistic, I want a G5 just as much as anyone else, but I think you are all setting yourselves up for disappointment again.
 
To Mischief

Not sure about the way you expressed it, but i agree with your sentiment.

JC out...
 
-Nobody

Good logic. The negativity around here mainly stems from taking the wildest speculations to heart. Keep it light and remember context and flow.
 
To Mischief

have you used iPhoto yet? Its actually pretty useful for organising alone.

JC out...
 
Sorta.........

I downloded it, then gave it to my boss via LAN cuz he's always futzing around with digital pics of his kids. He's not the quickest learning curve I've met nor even slightly Geeky, yet he was using it to library his pics in about five minutes. This may kill Apps like Cumulus and will certanly change things for Digital cameras. Very cool, easy and satisfying experience, even vicariously.
 
To Push

Hi Push,

I guess we'll both have to wait. Sounds like it will be worth it. I was running DPS Velocity/Reality on the SGI with Digital Fusion. I have also run a Quantel Edit Box which is many times more expensive than the SGI I had. The development cost for Maya on OS-X I was told was nearly $1,000,000. I find it hard to believe that much money would be invested if a new tower vastly superior isn't on the way.
 
To Mischief

I would say it'll be particularly useful (cheap) for cataloging web graphics for clients so they can see a thumb with a name string to the right image for updating their sites, in-house.

Remind me again why people were disappointed yesterday???

JC out...

 
SGI and MAC

Go to: http://www.totalimpact.com. Look at their parallel-processing boards and the powerbox.

SGI Predators had 18 400Mhz processors doing around 1.5Mflops each in one case. If two 800Mhz G4 processors yield approx. 7.5Mflops, then 40 500Mhz G4s would be SICK.
 
To Saffron

Exactly...

Also, have you looked into getting yourself a DigiVoodoo card with FCP3 for capturing and exporting un-compressed HD? Put in a copy of Combustion 2, and You'd have a one-stop post production facility that would beat any edit box under the sun for under $20000.

Do you have any work samples on line?
 
To Push

I am looking at Digital VooDoo as well as Cinewave capture cards. I have work up on a sight that I worked with along with my bio on http://www.trilliumteam.com under TT Studios and then you can look at editorial and 2d, 3d, web and video. I am in the process of going solo.

(bio is for Shelly)
 
To PUSH: thanks for the useful info. as well as others who contributed. To mischief: come on man, is that language really necessary?

It just makes since for people to want more power. Apple themselves set the wheels in motion by giving us power hungry apps like FCP 3. If you are a content designer like myself, you want to get your ideas out while they're still fresh in your head. You don't want to sit around for hours waiting for stuff to finish rendering. Even OS X is power hungry. The Aqua interface requires a lot more processing power. Not to mention now we have two systems running at once with Classic added in. More power just makes since, period.

And to expect more power after a marketing scheme like the one Apple pulled on us this week is extremely reasonable. So anyone who is upset with Apple right now, has a legitimate gripe. Cleverly market a product but don't mislead the people who support you the most. That's just plain stupid.
 
If you want to make a point........

to the ignorant, it is occasionally neccesary to use their native language. Plus I wanted particular emphasis on that particular point as many here have been whining incessantly about Apple's "inadequate" speed. Asking Motorolla and IBM to make a 90 degree turn in chip design strategy for the sake of marketing would only slow down the process. That's how we got stuck at 500 Mhz for so long.
 
Why the long faces

Alot of u newbies and a few seniors have been pissed off at this MWSF with its suposed hype. K first Has anyone tried iPhoto its the best "i" software since iTunes.its so sweet in my opinion. and another thing the iMac well my parents and grandparents "all lowend consumers macusers said I love that and I want one so it may look like a lamp but who care the people love it and overall its the best cosumer model available which is all we can ask for. I mean 3 usb ports, 2 firewire that so cool. So this MWSF did live up to the hype in my opinion. K now to the G5s first MWTokyo is in late march its sebold thats in febuary so either of these dates are fesable an the ship times on the powerbook and powermac are already starting to rise so either of these dates look good.
 
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