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G5 at MW Tokyo

Since it seems that there are a few other video pros in here I'll ask this question:
Anybody hear what Apple is doing with Spruce? I'm very curious to see if the next top of the line machine will have it's own MPEG hardware encoder, or maybe DVD SP2 will have it.
Avid? How did this one get started? Is there anything for Apple to really gain by buying Avid?
G5? We're all guessing soon. Apple doesn't want to steal the imac's thunder, but damnit we need a burlier machine to shut up the idiots who think that they will be better off on Wintels.
 
How 'bout NY??

I don't think the towers will wait until Tokyo, I personally believe they will arrive at Quicktime Live next month - all power users, good show-off crowd. I thought Japan was a bigger comsumer market for Apple because of the small size, not a big pro market (relatively speaking).
 
About the "5 times faster PC"...

...someone mentioned 800mhz X 5 being 4000mhz. Apparently they haven't noticed that the high end tower isn't 800, it's 1600 (dual procs, remember?), same as an Athlon XP 1800+.

The Sahara is ideal for the iBook, it uses a little over half as much power as the current G3, runs at 800mhz-1ghz, and can support DDR RAM. However, until they update the TiBook to 1Ghz+, the iBook isn't going to get it. I do think we'll see at LEAST single Apollo towers at MWT. Most likely duals, given a recent comment about SMP by a high up Apple person (I forget who). G5 would be nice (understatement of the year award there), but I'm not holding my breath.
 
it is a free country

Originally posted by ALPHAMATIX
the last thing i have to say is, i checked it out for kicks, and i figured out i can build a machine almost 5 times as fast as a Mac, basically a fully loaded or (overloaded machine) for around 1700.00 Now you tell me why i would even think of buying a Mac again. Mac user for 9 years, this is heartbreaking. That such a great company can slow things up, they are making a huge mistake, and better bounce back before its too late.
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The new iMac is going to sell better than the first iMac and G5's are going to smoke anything on the windoze platform so you build that $1700 piece of **** then come back and cry when it doesn't perform the way you expect. You need to fire the captain of your brainship because he is asleep at the wheel. Good Luck
 
Well, I don't think we will see G5's for a while. Motorola itself said Alti Vec performance isn't up to par yet when they released their up to date road map.

I believe that we will see dual gigahertz + machines at MWTKY. The Apollo is suppose to easily reach 1.2+ gigahertz.. Also, remember they had G3 towers along side the G3 iMacs for quite a while.

Also, to prove the point about the megahertz myth, AMD's 1600 megahertz chips (the 1900+ Pro) are blowing Intels 2.2 Gigahertz P4s out of the water.

 
Re: To Push

Originally posted by saffron!!
I am looking at Digital VooDoo as well as Cinewave capture cards.
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Hi Saffron,

out of the two cards I would opt for the DigiVoodoo HD card if i were you. Not only is it 10Bit for those really perfect gradients, but it can output to SD and HD at the same time. It also allows you to view HD output on a standard monitor (i dont know about in the states, but over here you have to re-mortgage your house to be able to afford an HD monitor. It also works in combustion and after Effects. It will also be the first to release OS X native drivers.

JC out...
 
No Hype please

look dont get all hyped up about the release of the G5 cuz in the end you may be suprised. So this my two cents. 1. ship times for Powermac G4 have already gone up to 10 days. 2 they stopped making G4 powermacs friday. 3. the gutted theyre powermac line by introducing the new iMac at 800mhz. 4. G5 is known not only to exist but also has 1.0ghz,1.2ghz,and 1.4ghz in good quantitys. Motorola held off G5 introduction due to lack of 1.6ghz chips and malfuntions with 1.8 ghz chips. So with all of this info I see the G5 comming out om FEB 20th. (seybold),or March 21(mw tokyo). Thankyou and remeber its just a computer
 
Originally posted by GPTurismo

Also, to prove the point about the megahertz myth, AMD's 1600 megahertz chips (the 1900+ Pro) are blowing Intels 2.2 Gigahertz P4s out of the water.
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take a look at this test ->
http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/02q1/020107/index.html

[Edited by F/reW/re on 01-09-2002 at 08:26 AM]
 
New GeForce 4 spec

The new spec apparently runs at the following:

The GPU comes in January/February 2002, while professional boards should be available in the second quarter.
* 6 Pixel pipelines
* Core freq: 300 MHz.
* Memory: 660 MHz. (eff) ~ 10.5 GB/sec BW, assuming they stay with 128-bit data paths.
* Supports TwinView
* Supports (finally) Hardware iDCT
* More powerful T&L unit, to include a second Vertex Shader
* AA Features.
* .13u Manufacturing process
*128MB DDR RAM

Just in case you 3D or open GL hungry people out there were interested. Launch may be at Seybold. Possibly for inclusion in the new towers

JC out...
 
G5's here we come, but when?

I agree with mac user, we will see G5's at Tokyo. If they wait till NY it will be to late. But to make NY exciting I think there is a chance that we will see 10.2. Either that or we will see G4 Apollo TiBooks at 800mhz to 900mhz, the Ti Book needs a speed bump! Also some time in the fall we will see iPod 2 Wintel compatible. I think it would be a huge mistake not to go into the Wintel market, because there is nothing that compares with pod, thus apple will see a huge sales jump as greedy Wintel people buy up the iPod(Apple makes lots of money🙂. Also in the fall we will see G3 Sahara iBooks at 600-700mhz or G4 iBooks at 500-650mhz.
I hope!

700mhz Snow iMac
100mhz Performa
 
Re: New GeForce 4 spec

Originally posted by PUSH
The new spec apparently runs at the following:

The GPU comes in January/February 2002, while professional boards should be available in the second quarter.
* 6 Pixel pipelines
* Core freq: 300 MHz.
* Memory: 660 MHz. (eff) ~ 10.5 GB/sec BW, assuming they stay with 128-bit data paths.
* Supports TwinView
* Supports (finally) Hardware iDCT
* More powerful T&L unit, to include a second Vertex Shader
* AA Features.
* .13u Manufacturing process
*128MB DDR RAM

Just in case you 3D or open GL hungry people out there were interested. Launch may be at Seybold. Possibly for inclusion in the new towers

JC out...
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That would be sweet...I hope you're right!!
 
My $.02

What Apple did a few days ago was something that will hopefull increase their market share. The iMac2 is very unique and is designed for the average consumer. I have begun to look at the new iMac as a consumer etlectronic device with the power of a computer. They released a product that will make people stand up and give apple a look. Now whether they will buy one is a different matter but the iMac is not just a piece of hardware. You are getting all the iSoftware for free that allows you to actually use your computer straight out of the box, something you can not do with a windows box. They give you the tools to start using a computer, they are putting more power in the hands of the consumer than a PC. Apple is selling the entire computer expereince, not just Hardware, or Software. Why does a user buy a computer, to do things. A PC will let you do things, but not out of the box, and not as easily as Mac will let you. My point is the iMac is the computer I should have bought my Mom 🙂

If it is obvious to us that the new iMacs are just as fast as the Towers you would think Mr. Jobs knows this also. So I would expect their to be a big change in the Towers some time in the very near fuure. The change in the towers will be needed to keep currnet users, not to increase market share. So what I beleve is that they released the iMac to make everyone go "Wow", and they will release the new towers that are a lot more powerful than the iMac to keep their high end users.

Personally I would love to see dual G5 towers. In a wintel box dual does not really make a difference. Yourspreadsheet will only load so fast. Being that Mac does a lot of digitial media you can use the pure power of dual a lot easier, rendering, photoshop filters, so it makes sense for a Mac to have dual processors.

This could be a very good year for Apple. Windows XP is not really that great, and users want what Apple gives out of the box. A user does not care what software or hardware they are using, they have goals that they want to achieve that a computer lets them accompolish. I just hope more people will give Apple a chance because the average consumer will be amazed at how easy Apple is starting to make life in the digital world. Now they can acutally do something with the digital cameras.

What sucks for me is that I work at a place that sells PC's only and I am having a hard time selling them PC's when I really feel a iMac is would be so much more fun for them to own.
 
Tomshardware has always had dodgy reviews.
Personally i dont trust any web reviewer, there is too much strongarming coming from Intel and microsoft to trust anyone.
 
yes the g5 is no doubt coming out, it should rock but i still want the new imac anyway, ill wait till the powerbook g5
 
Re: I know...

Originally posted by Mac_User
I am about 90 percent sure of this. Just trust me...
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Oh, give it a rest!! I am so sick of false rumors that have no basis in reality -- instead of speculation and/or circumstantial evidence, why not produce material, physical evidence. Nooo? Can't do it? Thought so.

"Just trust me", said the cat to the mouse. Pleeease. Why should anyone trust you? What evidence do you have to support your unsubstantiated opinion. And yes, I read your speculative mumbo jumbo about the new iMac, and it's not that I don't agree that G5's will be released soon, just that you don't know for a "fact" anything. What if it doesn't happen until NY (July)? What happens if it happens at a non-MacWorld expo or conference? You are just blowing hot air. Yes, this is macrumors.com, so call it a "rumor" if you want to, but "I know for a fact," please! Enough! Let's just enjoy MacWorld Expo SF 2001 and savor the moment. Isn't iPhoto, new OS X apps from Adobe, etc. enough? Or are you the kind of kid that is bored with his new materialistic toys just 2 days after Materialmas (I mean Christmas).
 
For the record:

Dual processor Macs do not run serial, they run PARALLEL. Which means that their Mhz ratings do not add together but are measured side by side. The Dually Macs have more processor thruput by way of increasing i/o not hotwiring two processors in series off the same feed from the bus. think of water : Pentiums move a thin, high velocity stream through a long pipe and two (in duals) sprawling, shallow tanks. G4 moves a fat, low pressure stream through a very short pipe and two spheroid vessels. Any plumber can explain the rest: The fat,short pipe will ALWAYS move more water than the thin pipe this is because water HATES changing density (which is why it's a good comparison) so it loses velocity rapidly to the long length of the pipe. The mechanism for the slowdown in processors is different but yields similar results. Pentiums are also physically larger than G4's so the data must traverse more territory, convert more of it's substance into heat and exist longer in any given place in the chip.
 
I fully agree with those who say the G5 won't come before MWNY.
After all, Apple received a working G5 only in late november, if I recall correctly. I'm no expert but it might be a mistake to rush the machine after only a quarter or so to test it. I guess Mac OS X and the G5 are not yet perfectly synchronized. Remember that Altivec is not yet fully functional on the G5. The worst thing Apple could do would be to discredit the G5 upon its release...
Besides, we know that Motorola has already produced a fair amount of G4 7460 Appollo (and is/was waiting for Apple to purchase them...).
This new chip uses a 15 micron process with SOI (versus 18 micron without SOI for the 7450).
Some said Apple was expecting some 1Ghz 7450 last summer at MWNY 2001 (but didn't receive them due to a bug occuring over 900 Mhz). If the 7450 could potentially this level, I feel pretty sure the 7460 will reach 1,2 or 1,3 Ghz. That's a 50% improvement over the 7450. Not bad for a starter...and it gives Apple/Motorola the time needed to make the G5 a real success story.
 
No G5 for at least 3 months.

Bingo. Apple is cautious about new chips. They'll wait at least 6 months total to debug the design before considering it for production. Just sit back and enjoy the Apollo, which will arrive first.
 
motorola (and macromedia BTW)

We are getting a lot of press over here (UK) about the trouble Motorola are in. They are laying off staff left, right and centre (largly in mobile phones but it must have an impact). I just wonder (and yes I've read their website) whether they are actually diverting resources away from these chip completions and to market, 'cos they are rationalising in other areas.

And wonder too whether this has in fact caused friction between Apple and them.

Any thoughts, knowledge?
 
Re: Re: I know...

Originally posted by GadgetLover


Oh, give it a rest!! I am so sick of false rumors that have no basis in reality -- instead of speculation and/or circumstantial evidence, why not produce material, physical evidence. Nooo? Can't do it? Thought so.

"Just trust me", said the cat to the mouse. Pleeease. Why should anyone trust you? What evidence do you have to support your unsubstantiated opinion. And yes, I read your speculative mumbo jumbo about the new iMac, and it's not that I don't agree that G5's will be released soon, just that you don't know for a "fact" anything. What if it doesn't happen until NY (July)? What happens if it happens at a non-MacWorld expo or conference? You are just blowing hot air. Yes, this is macrumors.com, so call it a "rumor" if you want to, but "I know for a fact," please! Enough! Let's just enjoy MacWorld Expo SF 2001 and savor the moment. Isn't iPhoto, new OS X apps from Adobe, etc. enough? Or are you the kind of kid that is bored with his new materialistic toys just 2 days after Materialmas (I mean Christmas).
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You are an idiot dude. Just look at the information given to us. I mean, there is NOTHING to upgrade at tokyo. A Faster tower would be stupid. Nobody would but it. A G5 would be the thing next to the iMac.
 
Sorry Macuser but Gadget's got a valid point about prefacing opinion/comment/rumor with "I know for a fact" and then later with "I'm 90% sure".
Opinions are cool and I think that you are probably right, but that is my opinion and your opinion, not fact.
Gadgetlover complaining about materialism? Irony? Sarcasm? I like it.
 
Re: new design

Originally posted by kaneda
I want Apple to redesign the new towers. :O) I want to know what can they think of next! The tower designed is about 3 years old too...SO is the G5 is really a sphere...:O) Or will the new G5 design will look like my toilet. :O)
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Okay, I have a queation.

Apple has reasonably fast G3 and G4 chips right now. They allegedly have G5's popping off the press as fast as corporately possible. Both the G4 and the G5 was designed as a multi-processor chip. I presume OSX can be kludged to timeshare G3's if needed.

Why not make a Mac that is a many processor device for render farms, sitie servers and ultimate ego machines?

They just might find you all those mac zealots have buying authority within large corporations that want to buy something industrially powered. Not a 601 in a really big box with alot of drives, but a dozen 4xG4 boards in a box that processes many threads at a time.

The technology allegedly exists right now and Apple just satisfied any reasonable personal or pro user with the Imac2.

Rocketman
 
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