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I hope that the implication that the eMac is going away is unfounded. That's a good comp for that market.

That said, I don't understand people's concerns about the LCD screen being too fragile. Can't you just buy a plastic protector, that can take the kid's pencil jabs and finger points?
 
I realise that most of the more experienced users would prefer a headless
iMac G5 system that allows for individual display preferences, way better graphics support and expandability, but we can only guess how much computer Apple thinks the average user may want or need.

The reviews are mixed, however
this AIO protoype from mackompass.de seems to look much more like
something Apple might go with for the expected Apple wow factor and space saving, modern desktop design.

I just don't think they would revert to the cube, no matter how many of us would like them to.

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mixgrafix said:
Good idea except it runs windows.

Ouch that is ugly...it makes the mock up of a new cube earlier in this thread look almost good by comparison. The new iMac has to be an all in one though. That "cube" thing didn't show a load of wires trailing all over the desk--how was the screen connected. And as for the idea of attaching a pizzabox unit to the back of a cinema display, and buying yourself a vesa arm of some description...not going to appeal to novices is it? People on this board would love to do things ike that, but Mrs Average consumer wants to take it out of the box and switch it on.
 
mixgrafix said:
I ran across this in on sherlock Viewing Apple's stock notes.

http://www.hip-e.com/index.do

Good idea except it runs windows.

A home computer has to look the part. Let's be honest you wouldn't place a TV that was ugly as hell in your living room would you?

The people that design this stuff realise that the PC has to be a stylised home accessory, but they concentrate too much on trying to express what's in the box in the design instead of designing the box for itself: high-tech, streamlined and powerful.

My question is why? Apple's beauty comes from 2 main things:

1: The casing a practical: the G4 iMac took little space and allowed the user to control the position of the screen with little effort.

2: The are beautiful, independently of their content. This also appears to be the basis of design for Sony. When a G5 PowerMac/Alu display combo is switched off there is still the pleasure of looking at it for what it is, not for what it will do when you switch it on.

I really do wonder about the design philosophy of such companies. But then the problem also lays in the hands of the consumers. I, unfortunately, know a few people that would consider the hip-e to be a better design than the iMac G4 because it attempts to look cutting edge. The sad truth is that such pseudo-futuristic designs look dated because they draw on accepted design philosophies for such things, such as sloping lines. They also mix all these aspects of design philosophies with out any regard for whether they are well matched.

Anyway, enough of my moaning. The genius behind Jonathan Ive's designs is that he looks for simplicity. He takes one aspect of design and holds to it. I think he has improved over the years, although the G3 iMac was a brilliant design.

If we look at the G5 PowerMac, each face is simple. The curves are consistent at top and bottom. It is beautiful.

The 3rd gen iPod was a great improvement on the 1st and 2nd gens because it scrapped the sharp edges that conflicted with both the rounded back, the scroll wheel and surrounding buttons on the 2nd gen. The raised buttons on the 2nd gen made them the main feature and all else had to fit it - they didn't - not quite.
Now the 4th gen is an even greater improvement because the buttons are gone. I personally disliked them because their scale was wrong - I know they couldn't be any other way. I also like the grey wheel on the 4th gen because it brings it out as a feature and ensures that the curves of the iPod are the main feature - distracting the eye away from the rectangular screen.

Now back to the G4 iMac. It was good, but I thought that the hemispherical base conflicted slightly with the rectangular screen. He attempted to compensate by rounding the edges of the screen, but to me, it was a slight failure.

I am expecting the G5 iMac to be a thing of beauty and simplicity.
 

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I know it's been said, but...

That hip-e is damn ugly (it also has a crap-wanna-be-an-iMac name). The iMac has to and surely will look better than that. A previous poster mentioned that Sony has a good design philosophy, but a look at their "iMac-killer" shows that they're not in a league anywhere near Apple. Apple design is more akin to Bang & Olufson or Nakamichi. I for one cannot wait to see what the new iMac looks like - though I doubt I'll be buying one soon.
 
Reasons for my nervousness...

jacobj said:
The genius behind Jonathan Ive's designs is that he looks for simplicity. He takes one aspect of design and holds to it. I think he has improved over the years, although the G3 iMac was a brilliant design.

i'm (like ALL Apple users) a huge fan of Jonathan Ive. I can'r help but be a little nervous about this upcoming G5 iMac though.

Reason #1 for my nervousness: it's time to upgrade. i need a new mac, and the rumored specs on the iMac are perfect. i will order the high end iMac the day that it is possible to do so PROVIDED that i like (no... love) the look of the computer as well. Form AND function. i have to have both.
Reason #2 for my nervousness: i'm not a fan of the vertical slot loading superdrive. i was under the impression that vertical drives were not as capable as the more common horizontal counterpart (if anyone has any feedback on this that could put my mind at ease that would be great.)
Reason #3 for my nervousness: as a very vocal proponent of the Apple computer company and the Mac OS i get a little nervous whenever Cupertino breaks out something new. I have to be able to defend the product.

-Cannibal-
beige G3, 300mhz, OS 9.2.2 (i told you that i need to upgrade...) 🙄
 
FFTT said:

This is neat. Only that the screen would not be adjustable and basically sits too far down, and that the optical drive would possibly interfere with a vertical motherboard. Very very sleek though.
 
I AGREE THE THING IS UGLY!!!!!

But the concept of "apple-izing the PC industry" is a good concept. Instead of bringing to masses to apple, take apple to the masses. Could Apple build a "PC" that runs windows-only, and not with an emulator. Sounds like blasphemy, but hey, anything for marketshare.

Get Well Soon Steve.
 
Rantipole said:
I hope that the implication that the eMac is going away is unfounded. That's a good comp for that market.

That said, I don't understand people's concerns about the LCD screen being too fragile. Can't you just buy a plastic protector, that can take the kid's pencil jabs and finger points?

But why? It's so much more expensive.

Also, an LCD computer is much easier to steal than a CRT computer (who's going to run away carrying 60-70 pounds with them?)

CRTs are still cheaper than LCDs, too. One day, the market is going to hit a point where CRTs aren't being produced and become MORE expensive. That point is still a few years of, though, so, until then, cheaper AIOs are going to have to be CRT-based.
 
Bad Beaver said:
This is neat. Only that the screen would not be adjustable and basically sits too far down, and that the optical drive would possibly interfere with a vertical motherboard. Very very sleek though.

It looks cool, but what about heat problems? I don't know if that small section holding the computer parts could take the heat of G5. Then again, it's Apple we're talking about...

The screen could be adjustable with a stand, like the one for the eMac. It would attach to the bottom and give you tilt and swivel capability.
 
titaniumducky said:
Also, an LCD computer is much easier to steal than a CRT computer (who's going to run away carrying 60-70 pounds with them?)

Yeah right, dang, what *were* people stealing in the 90's... 🙄

Imagine the thief coming up to your bed, shaking you awake:
"Excuse me mate, what were you thinking, having that heavy CRT in the study? Do you want me to hurt my back or what? Could you like get a TFT for next time? I'd really appreciate it"
 
titaniumducky said:
It looks cool, but what about heat problems? I don't know if that small section holding the computer parts could take the heat of G5. Then again, it's Apple we're talking about...


Supposedly the new iMac G5 will be using the cooler running 970Fx chips.


The screen could be adjustable with a stand, like the one for the eMac. It would attach to the bottom and give you tilt and swivel capability.

I'm sure there is some way to adjust the screen tilt probably hidden underneath the base.
 
titaniumducky said:
But why? It's so much more expensive.

Also, an LCD computer is much easier to steal than a CRT computer (who's going to run away carrying 60-70 pounds with them?)

CRTs are still cheaper than LCDs, too. One day, the market is going to hit a point where CRTs aren't being produced and become MORE expensive. That point is still a few years of, though, so, until then, cheaper AIOs are going to have to be CRT-based.

As much as I love the new TFT displays for looks and space saving design,
I still have not seen any flat screen with a picture as crisp as an upper level CRT.

And you can get a 23" for around $700 which is considerably more affordable than any flat screen that size.
 
Just got some inside news....

I do some consulting work with apple, and I got word that it will be a simple flat screen design, much like the one posted. Also, the graphics card can be changed with a hammer and a chisel. It will also have a built in coffee maker or other caffienated beverage dispenser (hot or cold) because of all the time you will be spending on it. The most unique feature is the case, and it will be made of 2gb of viscoelastic memory foam (by tempur pedic) and you will be able to sleep on it at night. Oh, and the dvd burner will also toast pop tarts in thirty seconds flat.

Only one of the prior statements is true.
 
mixgrafix said:
I do some consulting work with apple, and I got word that it will be a simple flat screen design, much like the one posted. Also, the graphics card can be changed with a hammer and a chisel. It will also have a built in coffee maker or other caffienated beverage dispenser (hot or cold) because of all the time you will be spending on it. The most unique feature is the case, and it will be made of 2gb of viscoelastic memory foam (by tempur pedic) and you will be able to sleep on it at night. Oh, and the dvd burner will also toast pop tarts in thirty seconds flat.
Thanks, mixgrafix! I'm sure your inside info will be front page news any minute now. 😉
 
All in one

Thanks mixgrafix, for the inside info.

I haven't had a toasted pop tart in years. Can't wait to indulge myself again. Does it toast both sides?
 
Cannibal:

I'm right there with you. I hope to beat you in terms of getting in the que.

However, my own nervousnness revolves around making a choice between a high end iMac and a low end Power Mac. To do so budget wise, I would have to sacrifice a Mac monitor and just get the dual CPU. I spotted a nice 19-inch LCD at Best Buy for $599 US. That would still bring me close to $3000 US, with taxes and a couple of extras -- bluetooth and 512 MB seem to be basics to me.

Perhaps the high end iMAC will garner a 20-inch Apple monitor plus enough extras to seal to deal.

Won't know until Aug. 31, I guess.

As for the horizontal versus vertical issue. As a mechanical engineer, I can tell you that a rotating mass (the DVD plus drive) requires a different bearing, depending on orientation...ie, horizontal vs. vertical. This is due to gravity. But, it's simply a design issue, and no doubt Apple is aware of it. So rest easy.
 
mixgrafix said:
I do some consulting work with apple, and I got word that it will be a simple flat screen design, much like the one posted. Also, the graphics card can be changed with a hammer and a chisel. It will also have a built in coffee maker or other caffienated beverage dispenser (hot or cold) because of all the time you will be spending on it. The most unique feature is the case, and it will be made of 2gb of viscoelastic memory foam (by tempur pedic) and you will be able to sleep on it at night. Oh, and the dvd burner will also toast pop tarts in thirty seconds flat.

Only one of the prior statements is true.

its ok i toast my pop tarts on the back of my pwerbook...25secs per side...😉
 
mixgrafix said:
I do some consulting work with apple, and I got word that it will be a simple flat screen design, much like the one posted. Also, the graphics card can be changed with a hammer and a chisel. It will also have a built in coffee maker or other caffienated beverage dispenser (hot or cold) because of all the time you will be spending on it. The most unique feature is the case, and it will be made of 2gb of viscoelastic memory foam (by tempur pedic) and you will be able to sleep on it at night. Oh, and the dvd burner will also toast pop tarts in thirty seconds flat.

Only one of the prior statements is true.

Before we all rush out to buy the required hammer and chisel,
I guess we should know if we need metric or english to work on this puppy.

The coffee maker sounds like a great way to convert all that heat to something useful. Does this mean that the CPU will be water cooled? 🙂

If they use viscoelastic memory foam on the keyboard as well, then we might be able to remember where we left off when we fall asleep at the office.

It's about time that they included Toast and Jam with your DVD burner.



🙄
 
In my opinion, the hip-e thing is kinda overpriced and plus the specs are kinda crappy. SDRAM? Come on... (Please tell me if I'm misled) but seriously I had SDRAM back in1999... Plus its hideous.
 
Talking about the Hip-e is just a waste of time.

I think Apple is much more likely to offer us something to compete with
the Sony V series AIO's

http://www.sonystyle.ca/commerce/se...01&catalogId=10001&langId=-1&productId=174193

pcvv_product_top.jpg


Although I'm still hard line anti-P/C
this unit does offer some very impressive features.



Intel® Pentium® 4 processor 2.80 GHz


200GB Ultra ATA/100 Hard Drive


512MB PC-2700 DDR RAM


DVD±RW/CD-RW Slim Combo Drive


i.LINK® (IEEE 1394) S400 digital interface


Microsoft® Windows® XP Home Edition





VAIO® Exclusive Software:



Giga Pocket™ - Personal video recorder


Sony SonicStage™ with MP3 encoder - MP3 File Managment



Sony SonicStage™ Mastering Studio - Digital Music Software



Sony DVgate™ Plus - Digital Video Software



Sony Network Smart Capture - Image



Sony PictureGear Studio™


Prices start around $1500
 
Sony Vaio

I, too, am hard-line anti-PC. But I agree that Sony products are probably Apple's most competitive opponent...styling and retail pricewise.

I am currently using a Sony PCG-FX240K (P3) laptop to write this...as I await Aug. 31 buying decision. Need to see the new iMac then decide whether to get it, or drop the whole wad on a Power Mac.

The model shown is certainly more attractive than the WG700, an ugly beast that must have been puked out on a bad day.

The included Sony software, though, is crap for the most part. Unless it has undergone major re-writes, the modules stink. I don't use any of the included Sony stuff.

Then there's XP, reason enough not to buy this or any PC.

One bright note: Today I checked my credit card statement, and lo and behold, there's a $59.99 charge on it from McAfee. I call, and they said:

"We automatically charge your account one month before expiration of your subscription."

I replied: "Well, I'm getting a MAC in two weeks, so I don't need your software anymore."

They refunded it, and canceled the automatic renewal. I can pretty much use the savings to order, say, a Bluetooth module on the Power Mac, or a wireless keyboard...ha!

Goodbye PC world...the end is near
 
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