BakedBeans
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thatwendigo said:
since when the hell is an emac that fast????
2.8 pentium 4.... please the 1.25 isnt that fast
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since when the hell is an emac that fast????
2.8 pentium 4.... please the 1.25 isnt that fast
thatwendigo
macrumors 6502a
jayscheuerle said:
It was a forced "upgrade" because it's the bottom of the line for the 4600 machine, which I moved to so I could do something other than "Intel Extreme" integrated graphics and shared RAM.
That being said, I'm glad you understood my point.
AL-FAMOUS said:
Do you actually read my posts, or is there some part of you that just picks one point to single out while ignoring everything else? If you read the text after I showed the systm I configured, I took off money for the comparison because of the difference in CPU and GPU. Read and comprehend before you attack me, please.
imac_japan
macrumors member
Danrose1977 said:
No, I wont ! and I didn't say "Set top box" !! I said "Low cost computer..."
http://www.petitiononline.com/rumi04/petition.html
jayscheuerle
macrumors 68020
imac_japan said:
What you've said is that you want it to run on your television and television's inherent resolution is not high enough to run OSX. HDTV is another story, but I don't think that's what you're talking about because if you could afford an HDTV set, you wouldn't be worried about the cost of your Mac!
Squire
macrumors 68000
imac_japan said:
I have a couple of points/questions about your device that will "save" Apple from this apparently horrible situation it is in.
I believe that the most common configuration for TV sets is on a console or stand about 30 to 50 centimeters above the floor. My monitor, on the other hand, is about one meter above the floor. Where would the mouse and keyboard go? A coffee table is also too low to comfortably use for computing tasks.
While I'm sure a lot of people connected their C64 systems to a TV, a lot of others opted for the optional RGB monitor. Those who connected it to a TV probably had an extra TV (i.e. an old one) kicking around the house. Apart from the OS, the allure of a Mac is its beautiful design. How would that design look sitting next to a crappy old TV (or ugly CRT display)?
And, on a personal note, why the crusade? Is it just that you want a Mac but can't afford one? Or do you really wish they had a greater market share? If so, why?
Squire
jayscheuerle said:
Surely what you want is a second hand powermac? Maybe someone who bought one of the early 1.6/1.8 ones and now upgrades. It has the room for expansion, no monitor, and should be cheap.
I wonder if this is the reason that apple doesn't sell a machine into this area, because while there is a need for them people can sell their not very old machines at a reasonable price and upgrade to the new latest greatest offering.
Also, what is the obsession with getting rid of the monitor that everyone seems to have here. I currently have a PC at home (not for much longer hopefully) and the only PC I bought as a whole was the first one in '89. All upgrades from then on have been modifications to the existing equipment. Now however I am at the point where time is more valuable than money to me, and I want to buy a machine that doesn't require upgrading, and that has a nice little monitor built in that can sit in the living room and act as a digital hub. The iMac would be ideal for this, especially if they put in a single 1.8 or 2 G5.
Keep the monitor on the iMac, keep the iMac (but make it better). If you don't want a monitor then buy a powermac, or ask for lower spec'd powermacs but leave the poor iMac alone.
thatwendigo
macrumors 6502a
imac_japan said:
From this misguided petition:
In order:
- TVs do not possess the resolution to display computer graphics, unless you're talking about HDTV, which starts around $360 and up for a capable set. Oops. Strike one.
- Small HD? Something like the eMac's 40GB HD? Strike Two.
- 128MB of RAM is not enough to run OS X, and 256MB is a bit slow. Strike Three.
Do your research before starting pointless, poorly informed crusades.
iMacG5 is the new Cube
If a head were included it sure wasn't overpriced. Hence, it failed because it was headless. 😛jayscheuerle said:
titaniumducky
macrumors 6502a
Nemesis said:
The iMac G5 will be major - it will almost definitely be announced at a major conference (WWDC, MWP, MWSF, etc.)
BornAgainMac
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Borg3of5
macrumors member
The waiting is OVER!
I finally made up my mind and ordered a refurbished Dual 1.8 last night. I don't consider myself a poweruser; i.e. all I normally do is web-browsing, emailing, iPhoto work, iTunes, getting into digital photography, so I'll start learning Photoshop, et al.
$1,999 plus free shipping for a Dual 1.8 G5 can't be beat. That is of course, when the Rev.Bs are announced the current models will probably drop $300.
For the time being, I'll be hooking it up to 4+ year old 17" CRT. I figure in September when my loan deferrment is processed I'll get a 23" HD Cinema display with the Student discount. And even though I'll have to pay 6.5% sales tax, that still will come to $1,911. Not bad, the difference can be used towards a 300 GB external hard-drive.
I just hope I did the right thing, as with all the rumors floating around that the top of the line G5 won't be quite 3.0 GHz, probably 2.6 GHz, AND I don't do any mathematical or scientific calculations, I should be more than pleased...I hope.
I finally made up my mind and ordered a refurbished Dual 1.8 last night. I don't consider myself a poweruser; i.e. all I normally do is web-browsing, emailing, iPhoto work, iTunes, getting into digital photography, so I'll start learning Photoshop, et al.
$1,999 plus free shipping for a Dual 1.8 G5 can't be beat. That is of course, when the Rev.Bs are announced the current models will probably drop $300.
For the time being, I'll be hooking it up to 4+ year old 17" CRT. I figure in September when my loan deferrment is processed I'll get a 23" HD Cinema display with the Student discount. And even though I'll have to pay 6.5% sales tax, that still will come to $1,911. Not bad, the difference can be used towards a 300 GB external hard-drive.
I just hope I did the right thing, as with all the rumors floating around that the top of the line G5 won't be quite 3.0 GHz, probably 2.6 GHz, AND I don't do any mathematical or scientific calculations, I should be more than pleased...I hope.
Nemesis
macrumors regular
Nemesis said:
Well, the thing is that my old friend, who works for Apple for more than a decade, doesn't like to tell me any detail. For good reason! I can understand that, and I devise my own ways of finding out interesting stuff. But from I understood by his denials, and my bits and pieces to complete the picture, new iMac will have
* detachable screen
* very similar form factor
* new processor
which means, iMac becomes a low-end G5. And more than that!
We'll have variety of screens to choose -- 15", 17" (already used in PowerBooks, so this too cuts costs down), 20" (low-end Cinema Display), and several iMac configurations. So instead of locking youself with a certain iMac and screen size, like we had in iMac G4, new iMac can be combined as we wish because new design allows screen to be detachable. So you can choose whichever screen you like. New iMac configs will no longer be based on screen size, but on processor speed.
BUT, if you don't want detachable screen, you can hook your iMac to a Studio Display Screen! That's cool, man, so with this new machine, we'll get both traditional all-in-one iMac and new, headless Mac, to be hooked onto anything you'd like!
They did that not only to give more choices to customers, but also to make transportation and productions costs down. Computer base (body) will be somewhat wider, and will change its colour.
To what colour exctly, I don't have a clue!
aswitcher
macrumors 603
Nemesis said:
Ok. These are all things that have been under discussion for sometime...should be interesting to see if it comes off.
Ok, well we have been thinking this might happen for the reasons you mention. I hope the base is a little taller to allow the cd tray/slot to clear the keyboard. I also hope that most of the ports get front mounted or at least what we see with the G5. I think if this happens then that would be excellent.
As for the body colour. It could be they do iPod mini shells to put over the base to allow personalisation. It could be they have perfected that plastic that can change colours which would blow everyone away 😉
Nemesis
macrumors regular
aswitcher said:
That's right, but my expectations were different.
I know for sure they've tested both 1.4 and 1.6 GHz G5 PowerBooks, and were ready to introduce them in a case Motorola screws with latest G4 updates. Yes, we'd have to wait for them at least 2 months to start producing, and that would screw up whole quarterly financial results - no PowerMacs, PowerBooks delayed, iMacs still in production preparation. With slightly modified laptops, they'll get very good quarter, despite other product delays.
Like in this case -- It's my wish to see this iMac introduced next week, but maybe they'll hold them for more than month, for some stupid SJ's reason.
That man has stopped SO MANY brilliant ideas come to market during the last few years! 😡
aswitcher
macrumors 603
Nemesis said:
So your saying the G5PBs are ready to go? 😱
I don't understand whats the hold up? Marketing or production?
Its going to piss ALLOT of people off to have them appear within 2-3 months of the latest G4 PBs if this is true...including me...unless their allot more expensive...
thatwendigo
macrumors 6502a
Nemesis said:
Wrong.
The G5 is not the only processor that might be used in the iMac, and there's a far better power/performance option in both the VX and the e600 chips. Both chips are supposedly far lower heat for higher clock and performance than the dumbed-down 1.6 or 1.8ghz 970. As such, I find it both to be stupid and remarkably blindsided if Apple just sticks a 970 in a revised case rather than moving with better technology.
I call BS on this, too, because Apple doesn't have the inventory control to manage a system like this. They don't do enough volume to maintain a nearly complete BTO system and that means all kinds of costs coming out of the effort. On top of that, unless the displays have some kind of external hookups for cords, then these screens are not detachable, because the prohibitive cost and lack of functionality in wireless units is already something pretty ridiculous. Phillips makes a "smart display" that's basically a tablet PC with an Intel processor, RAM, Flash, and 802.11 wireless, but it can't display video because of how low the bandwidth is. Never mind that the thing costs $1,300-1,400 a pop.
So Apple's going to ignore how ugly it would make the iMac to have cords dangling off the machine? I don't believe it.
The one thing that makes any sense in all of this is that the formfactor will be revised to something larger. That's it.
Nemesis said:
That continues to make little to no sense, because a 1.4ghz G5 would be a slower chip than a 1.5ghz G4, especially in the power-limited framework of a laptop. The 970 is hotter than a G4 at the same clock, and if you bring it down towards the same clock rate, it becomes a pretty comparable performer. As such, it would be foolish at all to put the hotter, more power-hungry G5 into a laptop when the 7447A was coming 3 months ahead of schedule.
There's the final proof we needed that this is inane speculation and nothing else. Jobs? Stopping ideas? The man has been nearly singelhandedly responsible for saving Apple from the financial wreck it was about to become in the late 90s.
Mmmmhmmm. 🙄
aswitcher said:
Why are you taking this seriously, switcher? You know that none of that stacks up?
This, however... Get used to business. In the PC world, this happens all the time, and while Apple doesn't have the resources to start doing things like this regularly, they will if they grow as hugely as some people want.
Nemesis
macrumors regular
Yes, he is guilty!
Just because many people believe he's God's ambassador on Earth. Nope, man. He's both great and crazy. Great is because he indeed has a nose to sense what market wants, but crazy because of that stupid CEO syndrome. When someone from development team brings some cool idea, SJ will put him on mental torture first, then he'll dislike the idea, then in one year he'll love it! Strange man.
When he came back in Apple, he stopped Apple's internet service, only few weeks before launching. Then again, in couple of years he lounched it agan.
.Mac you call it.
Guys from development both hate and like him. And yes, he ideed DID STOP many great concepts and ideas hit the market. Also he neglected the whole Mac line during the last two years because of the iPod and iTMS. Guys from marketing believed they can get more new users by introducing one or two more Mac lines, to bring more horsepower and dimnish the border between Pro and Consumer lines. To give people more choices. But no -- he didn't like the idea and kept separating Mac line. And that's why we have so stupid situation on the Mac market today, man. Machines are overpriced cr*ap, all except for dual G5 and iBook which bring good choice for reasonable money. And, look at the miracle, they're absolute hits and best selling Apple computers! Users are not stupid, SJ!
I bet he'll stop this new iMac concept. Did you guys know that this was ORIGINAL idea too, before iMac G4 introduction? To build iMac as users want, not Apple ...? Well ... only heaven knows how that company endures. Thanks to iPod, I suppose. 😕
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Calebj14 said:
Just because many people believe he's God's ambassador on Earth. Nope, man. He's both great and crazy. Great is because he indeed has a nose to sense what market wants, but crazy because of that stupid CEO syndrome. When someone from development team brings some cool idea, SJ will put him on mental torture first, then he'll dislike the idea, then in one year he'll love it! Strange man.
When he came back in Apple, he stopped Apple's internet service, only few weeks before launching. Then again, in couple of years he lounched it agan.
.Mac you call it.
Guys from development both hate and like him. And yes, he ideed DID STOP many great concepts and ideas hit the market. Also he neglected the whole Mac line during the last two years because of the iPod and iTMS. Guys from marketing believed they can get more new users by introducing one or two more Mac lines, to bring more horsepower and dimnish the border between Pro and Consumer lines. To give people more choices. But no -- he didn't like the idea and kept separating Mac line. And that's why we have so stupid situation on the Mac market today, man. Machines are overpriced cr*ap, all except for dual G5 and iBook which bring good choice for reasonable money. And, look at the miracle, they're absolute hits and best selling Apple computers! Users are not stupid, SJ!
I bet he'll stop this new iMac concept. Did you guys know that this was ORIGINAL idea too, before iMac G4 introduction? To build iMac as users want, not Apple ...? Well ... only heaven knows how that company endures. Thanks to iPod, I suppose. 😕
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