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aussiemac86 said:
i just found the post he did prior to NAB (i think). He claimed there were going to be G5 Powerbooks, but please if i am wrong and G5 powerbooks were relased but i didnt notice dont hesitate to tell me. ;)

Yes, they have been released, but the thing is -- normal users cannot see them at the moment. They were released according to SJ's wish -- wrapped up in reality distortion field. You can find them is Apple's Online Store, and order them too (pretty impressive specs btw!), but the thing is -- you don't know where to click! So, we all hope that in few months field will collapse, in a silent implosion that discloses common time-space contiuum.
;)
 
thatwendigo,
That little computer looks pretty sleek. However, it looks more like a PDA than a computer; adding a display and keyboard would probably be a must for most users planning on doing serious work.

When the 12" PB was released, it was hailed as "smallest full-featured notebook" on the market. In fact, excluding notebooks with swappable drives/battery bays, etc., it's still pretty damn small. And, although it has been upstaged by the gargantuan success of the iPod mini, I believe it has always been a strong seller for Apple. (Please correct me if I'm wrong there.) So, from a business point of view, why do you think they should ditch it? True, the top-of-the-line iBook and 12" PB are very similar, but some people have no need for a larger screen but don't want to sacrifice the performance.

Squire

<edit> I just noticed that that little computer is not even available yet. It's set to be released in the fall. Maybe Apple will have one by then. Actually, I've commented on numerous threads about the need for Apple to fill that void in its product lineup. As much as I love the 12" Powerbook, I think Apple needs a smaller notebook (i.e. 10" display) to compete with the offerings from Sony and Fujitsu.

<edit #2> Okay...this pic just sold me. I'm going to bookmark that page.
 

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Squire said:
As much as I love the 12" Powerbook, I think Apple needs a smaller notebook (i.e. 10" display) to compete with the offerings from Sony and Fujitsu.

All due respect but I certainly don't want to see Apple do a 10" notebook. I think they have an excellent, clear, and concise notebook line right now. The iMac is the line that needs updating . . . and hopefully soon so they can grab a lot of the back-to-school purchases.
 
Squire said:
That little computer looks pretty sleek. However, it looks more like a PDA than a computer; adding a display and keyboard would probably be a must for most users planning on doing serious work.

Um... That's because it's a mini-tablet/PDA style computer. The screen has pen input and a keyboard beneath it, with a "track-stick" for a pointing device. If you read the site, it's intended as a portable unit to do work on, with a screen and docking station that you keep at home or in the office for when you want to do larger-screen tasks.

The real dream, one that I've espoused before, is true modular computing. I think that we're a good ways off of that still, because IBM and some others are still working on the basic patents of the technology, but it will happen and it will be the best thing to happen to end users in a long, long time. You need more processor? Drop in a module in the appropriate slot, up to the maximum allowed by your chassis. Drive space? Ditto. RAM? Same. This is already being done at the server level and as we all know, it's only a matter of time before technology shrinks it and makes it into a consumer product.

Imagine if you will, something kind of like the unit I described, but without the screen, a minimal disk and RAM, and just enough core functionality to create a computer around. Then you have chassis - desktop, laptop, workstation, palmtop, tablet, or whatever else - that have a certain number of slots you can throw modules in. When you need a portable computer, your OS and main CPU come with you in the core module, and you can add whatever you need for the job in what you're taking with you. In your home machine, you might have a single drive, two RAM modules, and an extra CPU or two. At work, maybe your employer has spring for four drives, four RAM modules, and eight CPUs that your main unit can tap into.

Okay...this pic just sold me. I'm going to bookmark that page.

Now you see why I love the idea.
 
thatwendigo said:
As I noted, I think that the 12" needs to be killed. I don't know where you're getting this idea that I think that the smallest PowerBook should be updated, since I never said that. I think it needs to die, just like the iMac, in favor of designs that would be more competitive on outright speed. We need the e600 2.0ghz dual-core, 400mhz FSB, 128-bit AltiVec chip, because it's a dual-processor chip that would compete handily with the G5 at a much more favorable heat profile (20-ish watts for two processors, rather than 20-ish watts for one, lower-clocked processor).

I'm sorry but I disagree strongly in that the 12" needs to die. There is a reason I have been asked by 2 17" owners to trade me straight up just because of the portability. The 12" is not necessarily a speed demon, but it makes up for it in other areas... in my case, it more than makes up for it.
 
thatwendigo said:
Um... That's because it's a mini-tablet/PDA style computer. The screen has pen input and a keyboard beneath it, with a "track-stick" for a pointing device. If you read the site, it's intended as a portable unit to do work on, with a screen and docking station that you keep at home or in the office for when you want to do larger-screen tasks.

So it´s not a true power portable, then? I´ve got a 15" TiBook which for a long time has served me well. For a period I borrowed a 867 12", and it truly amazed me.

The computer you´re decribing needs a docking station to be a machine you can actually be productive with. I can´t imagine many (creatives) bringing this thing + the docking station around to clients to present work and perform tasks on-site. As for the track-stick - have you tried to do any work in Illustrator with one of those? Of course, you would bring a mouse, but that´s hardly the point.

The true beauty of the 12" is that it´s highly portable, highly useable with a nice screen and a track pad, and a nippy performer.

So, compact or not. It´s noticeably thicker than my TiBook. But when I returned it and started taking my 15" around to people, I realised that the 12" is the portable of the PowerBooks. The 15" is huge in comparison.

If Apple decide to go with your idea and ditch it, they are dropping their only truly portable PowerBook.
 
Isn't the OQO being designed by former TiBook designers? Anyhow, the main problem here (besides running Windows, obviously) is that it has been announced (in various configurations) for years now, without ever materializing on the market. In other words, it's vaporware. But if Apple would ever bring out something like this, I'd be first in line.

P.S. That little essay on modular computers made me want to travel forward in time...
 
Belly-laughs said:
So it´s not a true power portable, then? I´ve got a 15" TiBook which for a long time has served me well. For a period I borrowed a 867 12", and it truly amazed me.

The computer you´re decribing needs a docking station to be a machine you can actually be productive with. I can´t imagine many (creatives) bringing this thing + the docking station around to clients to present work and perform tasks on-site. As for the track-stick - have you tried to do any work in Illustrator with one of those? Of course, you would bring a mouse, but that´s hardly the point.

The true beauty of the 12" is that it´s highly portable, highly useable with a nice screen and a track pad, and a nippy performer.

So, compact or not. It´s noticeably thicker than my TiBook. But when I returned it and started taking my 15" around to people, I realised that the 12" is the portable of the PowerBooks. The 15" is huge in comparison.

If Apple decide to go with your idea and ditch it, they are dropping their only truly portable PowerBook.

Thanks for being more articulate than I was, Belly-laughs. That was exactly my point. A keyboard and display would be absolute necessities for most people. There's an extra 800 bucks.

segundo said:
All due respect but I certainly don't want to see Apple do a 10" notebook. I think they have an excellent, clear, and concise notebook line right now. The iMac is the line that needs updating . . . and hopefully soon so they can grab a lot of the back-to-school purchases.

segundo,
I see what you mean but I still believe that Apple could really benefit financially by adding a product like Sony's ultra-compact VAIO to its lineup- perhaps as an iBook.

Unfortunately, I don't have any hard data to back up this claim. In fact, it doesn't seem like very many other PC manufacturers produce great ultra-portables either. (I couldn't find a Dell or HP model that small.) And, despite the fact that a 10-incher would make a great addition to a desktop system, they probably couldn't produce them for any less than the current 12" lineup.

I'd make a terrible lawyer, wouldn't I?

Squire
 
G5 "Trinity" at WWDC

http://croquer.free.fr/

Les G5 équipés de PPC975 (nom de code: Trinity) seront annoncés à la WWDC et livrable au plus tard à l'Apple Expo. Le PPC975 consomme en moyenne 65W à 3 GHz et intègre 98 millions de transistors. Tous les modèles auront deux emplacement Superdrive et 4 emplacements de disque dur. Côté son, 24-bit 192Khz au moins sur le haut de gamme. Apple proposera avec ATI une carte graphique PCI-express professionnelle du type Fire GL.

Configs: (susceptible to changes):

Mono PPC 975 à 2,2 GHz
AGP 8x
FSB 1,1 GHz
Superdrive

Dual PPC 975 à 2,6 GHz
PCI-Express 16x
FSB 1,3 GHz
Superdrive Extreme (double layer)

Dual PPC 975 à 3 GHz
PCI-Express 16x
FSB 1,5 GHz
Superdrive Extreme (double layer)

:rolleyes:
 
Google translation

G5 equipped with PPC975 (code name: Trinity) will be announced with the WWDC and deliverable at the latest in APPLE Expo. The PPC975 consumes on average 65W with 3 GHz and integrates 98 million transistors. All the models will have two Superdrive site and 4 sites of hard disk. Side its, 24-bit 192Khz at least on the top-of-the-range one. APPLE will propose with ATI a graphics board PCI-express train professional of the type Fire GL.

Configs: (likely to exchanges): Mono PPC 975 to 2,2 GHz AGP 8x FSB 1,1 GHz Superdrive

Dual PPC 975 to 2,6 GHz PCI-Express train 16x FSB 1,3 GHz Superdrive Extreme (double to bush-hammer)

Dual PPC 975 to 3 GHz PCI-Express train 16x FSB 1,5 GHz Superdrive Extreme (double to bush-hammer)
 
areyouwishing said:
I'm sorry but I disagree strongly in that the 12" needs to die. There is a reason I have been asked by 2 17" owners to trade me straight up just because of the portability. The 12" is not necessarily a speed demon, but it makes up for it in other areas... in my case, it more than makes up for it.

Why is it that nobody can read my entire opinion, understand it, and then comment on it? The reason that I say that the 12" needs to die is that it's going to be seriously lefet behind if there's a move to the G5 or any other processor that doesn't expend a mere 10-12w of heat.

Belly-laughs said:
So it´s not a true power portable, then? I´ve got a 15" TiBook which for a long time has served me well. For a period I borrowed a 867 12", and it truly amazed me.

Huh? The machine that I laid out is a hell of a lot faster than your 867 TiBook, and only suffers in a slight disadvantage on screen real estate. The only sacrifice made on it is that you're not going to be doing complex renders or really, really GPU-intensive tasks on it while you're away from its cradle. Of course, you could do all the CPU-related things like design and setup, only to drop it in and let it churn away when you got back to the office or your home.

This isn't about tradition. It's about revolutionizing how computers are used.

The computer you´re decribing needs a docking station to be a machine you can actually be productive with. I can´t imagine many (creatives) bringing this thing + the docking station around to clients to present work and perform tasks on-site. As for the track-stick - have you tried to do any work in Illustrator with one of those? Of course, you would bring a mouse, but that´s hardly the point.

Wrong. For what most people do, aside from 3d modelers and certain others, a solid CPU and workspace is plenty to create with, and even they could get some serious work done and then allow the extra power of the cradle handle rendering and so on when they get plug back in. This is a tool, one that has a place that I think could seriously challenge the desktop/portable/PDA paradigm, because it acts like all of the above. It's a redefining of something I've already seen professors of mine at the CS and science departments do - a docked Apple laptop with external functionality like drives and burners.

You wouldn't need to bring the docking station to present with. That's what the ports are for. That, and if you look at the dimensions of the docking station, which I purposely left larger than they'd have to be, you could almost certainly fit one into a space about the size of a laptop. So... Someone would carry a whole laptop that's likely more than they need all the time, rather than something that they can upgrade when needed but have run almost endlessly and then sync with their setup much more quickly when they get home?

Are you honestly claiming that there's no way this could be a move forward, especially since what I said it should replace is the iMac and not the PowerBook?

If Apple decide to go with your idea and ditch it, they are dropping their only truly portable PowerBook.

Bull. I used to cart around a Rev A G3 iBook and it was just fine on portability.

12" Al PowerBook: 8.6" x 10.9" x 1.18" and 4.6lbs
15" Al PowerBook: 9.5" x 13.7" x 1.1" and 5.6lbs
G3 iBook (clamshell): 11.6" x 13.5" x 2.1" and 6.6lbs
G3 PowerBook (Lombard): 10.4" x 12.7" x 1.7" and 6.1lbs

Notice that the machine I'm talking about using is larger in all but one dimension - it's wider, thicker, and heavier than the 15"" PowerBook, and yet I had no problems carrying it around and making use of it. Included for completeness' sake is the pro machine from the same era, which had a smaller screen and far, far less features than the current PowerBook.

the future said:
Isn't the OQO being designed by former TiBook designers? Anyhow, the main problem here (besides running Windows, obviously) is that it has been announced (in various configurations) for years now, without ever materializing on the market. In other words, it's vaporware. But if Apple would ever bring out something like this, I'd be first in line.

P.S. That little essay on modular computers made me want to travel forward in time...

I know that the OQO as a concept has been floating for a while, but the technology is rapidly evolving and I think that Apple could make a killing with a properly executed design. Oh, and the lead designer of the OQO is, indeed, one of the men responsible for the TiBook laptops.

Squire said:
Thanks for being more articulate than I was, Belly-laughs. That was exactly my point. A keyboard and display would be absolute necessities for most people. There's an extra 800 bucks.

No, they wouldn't. Even assuming that you used Apple's Displays and that they aren't updated soon, the 17" LCD is $699, and external keyboards are hardly expensive. A full wireless solution like the Logitech Cordless MX is $90. That being said, I think that $2300 for a machine like what I'm outlining would be a bargain, considering that it would be far more useful to me than either a pure desktop or a laptop, and that people who gave it a try would see just how good an idea it was.

Croquer the French Wonder said:
G5 equipped with PPC975 (code name: Trinity) will be announced with the WWDC and deliverable at the latest in APPLE Expo. The PPC975 consumes on average 65W with 3 GHz and integrates 98 million transistors. All the models will have two Superdrive site and 4 sites of hard disk. Side its, 24-bit 192Khz at least on the top-of-the-range one. APPLE will propose with ATI a graphics board PCI-express train professional of the type Fire GL.

Configs: (likely to exchanges): Mono PPC 975 to 2,2 GHz AGP 8x FSB 1,1 GHz Superdrive

Dual PPC 975 to 2,6 GHz PCI-Express train 16x FSB 1,3 GHz Superdrive Extreme (double to bush-hammer)

Dual PPC 975 to 3 GHz PCI-Express train 16x FSB 1,5 GHz Superdrive Extreme (double to bush-hammer)

You know, I would be very happy if this was true. with the single exception that the lowest machine is still single processor. They incorporate most of what I wanted to see Apple do, and if you go back to my want list some pages back, you'd see that 975 dual-processor motherboards, PCI-Express, extra drivespace for optical and HD, upgraded audio, and the return of FireGL class cards are all in there.

Not that any of those are exactly stunning, new ideas, but when people are fixating on the G5 as a chip, I tend to look beyond it. :D
 
thatwendigo said:
The real dream, one that I've espoused before, is true modular computing. I think that we're a good ways off of that still, because IBM and some others are still working on the basic patents of the technology, but it will happen and it will be the best thing to happen to end users in a long, long time. You need more processor? Drop in a module in the appropriate slot, up to the maximum allowed by your chassis. Drive space? Ditto. RAM? Same. This is already being done at the server level and as we all know, it's only a matter of time before technology shrinks it and makes it into a consumer product.

Imagine if you will, something kind of like the unit I described, but without the screen, a minimal disk and RAM, and just enough core functionality to create a computer around. Then you have chassis - desktop, laptop, workstation, palmtop, tablet, or whatever else - that have a certain number of slots you can throw modules in. When you need a portable computer, your OS and main CPU come with you in the core module, and you can add whatever you need for the job in what you're taking with you. In your home machine, you might have a single drive, two RAM modules, and an extra CPU or two. At work, maybe your employer has spring for four drives, four RAM modules, and eight CPUs that your main unit can tap into.

They've been down this road before, it was called the Powerbook DUO.
 
bpd115 said:
They've been down this road before, it was called the Powerbook DUO.

I have a Duo, actually, and I assure you that this is a far, far different beast with a spin that wasn't possible back then. The base concept might be similar, but the implementation is not.

Also, I think that you've pretty well missed the point of modular computing if you think that the Duo was more than a primitive ancestor. Where is the Duo's extra slot for processors, for GPUs, for RAM or extra storage? What? It doesn't have one?

Then it isn't the same creature at all.
 
thatwendigo,
You're talking about that thing replacing an iMac, right? That's a desktop. For any amount of typing, you're going to need a keyboard. Most people would add a mouse. And, again, if you're replacing a desktop, you'll want a fancy LCD display, too. The tax man might want a piece of the pie, too. Like I said before, there's an extra 800 bucks.

thatwendigo said:
No, they wouldn't. Even assuming that you used Apple's Displays and that they aren't updated soon, the 17" LCD is $699, and external keyboards are hardly expensive. A full wireless solution like the Logitech Cordless MX is $90. That being said, I think that $2300 for a machine like what I'm outlining would be a bargain, considering that it would be far more useful to me than either a pure desktop or a laptop, and that people who gave it a try would see just how good an idea it was.

Umm...yeah.

When you replied "No, they wouldn't" to my claim that people would need a keyboard and monitor, were you assuming that most would use that calculator-sized keyboard and the small screen constantly? I think it's a cool machine, but I don't know how it could be considered a desktop replacement without a lot of add-ons.

Squire
 
thatwendigo said:
I have a Duo, actually, and I assure you that this is a far, far different beast with a spin that wasn't possible back then. The base concept might be similar, but the implementation is not.

Also, I think that you've pretty well missed the point of modular computing if you think that the Duo was more than a primitive ancestor. Where is the Duo's extra slot for processors, for GPUs, for RAM or extra storage? What? It doesn't have one?

Then it isn't the same creature at all.

I think thatwendigo's concept it interesting. Think an iPod/PDA with your home directory stored on a Hard Drive and a portable version of OS X on it. You can take it with you to work and drop it into a cradle/dock that allows it to use a desktop PC's processor, RAM, etc. and be a full fledged desktop powerhouse.

I don't see the point to the extra slot idea. If you have access to a second processor why would you ever take it out (same goes for more RAM). But, I love the idea of a PDA with an iPod style hard drive and OS X that allows me to basically take my Mac with me.
 
aswitcher said:
Google translation
Dual PPC 975 to 3 GHz PCI-Express train 16x FSB 1,5 GHz Superdrive Extreme (double to bush-hammer)

I don't know about anyone else, but I am very excited about the double to bush-hammer. I have been saying Apple need to add this feature for years.
:D
 
thatwendigo said:
Huh? The machine that I laid out is a hell of a lot faster than your 867 TiBook, and only suffers in a slight disadvantage on screen real estate. The only sacrifice made on it is that you're not going to be doing complex renders or really, really GPU-intensive tasks on it while you're away from its cradle. Of course, you could do all the CPU-related things like design and setup, only to drop it in and let it churn away when you got back to the office or your home.

Right... you have obviously never been in need of an efficient system when on the go. How on earth would someone be able to do any work with that screen size and resolution. The 12" PB just makes it with a 1024x768 resolution. If it had the same resolution on a 10" screen it would be too small for my liking. I do get a feeling you don´t think so.

Point is, 800x600 is useless for design at all. A Photoshop palette uses approx 210px of horisontal screen estate. The tools palette uses another 50-60. You´re left with 540px. Then, if you have rulers on, you got even less. For 3D-work, well Cinema 4D requires even more. So, even though it might be a fast devil, the 800x600 resolution is not just a slight disadvantage. It kills it.


thatwendigo said:
This isn't about tradition. It's about revolutionizing how computers are used.

I agree totally. But give us a solution that works. That´s what Apple gives us with the current crop of PBs. I have no doubt that they are investigating into a lot of gadgets that break with tradition, but decide not to put some of them to market because they prove useless in real-life applications.


thatwendigo said:
Wrong. For what most people do, aside from 3d modelers and certain others, a solid CPU and workspace is plenty to create with, and even they could get some serious work done and then allow the extra power of the cradle handle rendering and so on when they get plug back in. This is a tool, one that has a place that I think could seriously challenge the desktop/portable/PDA paradigm, because it acts like all of the above. It's a redefining of something I've already seen professors of mine at the CS and science departments do - a docked Apple laptop with external functionality like drives and burners.

Wrong. For reasons stated above, and below.

thatwendigo said:
You wouldn't need to bring the docking station to present with. That's what the ports are for. That, and if you look at the dimensions of the docking station, which I purposely left larger than they'd have to be, you could almost certainly fit one into a space about the size of a laptop. So... Someone would carry a whole laptop that's likely more than they need all the time, rather than something that they can upgrade when needed but have run almost endlessly and then sync with their setup much more quickly when they get home?

It´s an interesting concept, but you don´t always have a larger monitor or projector where you work or on-site presenting your stuff.


thatwendigo said:
Are you honestly claiming that there's no way this could be a move forward, especially since what I said it should replace is the iMac and not the PowerBook?

No, I´m not. It may prove to be a move forward, but still useless for most uses. If you require little screen estate you´re probably only using a text editor anyway. You could use a Palm for that. It syncs.



thatwendigo said:
Bull. I used to cart around a Rev A G3 iBook and it was just fine on portability.

12" Al PowerBook: 8.6" x 10.9" x 1.18" and 4.6lbs
15" Al PowerBook: 9.5" x 13.7" x 1.1" and 5.6lbs
G3 iBook (clamshell): 11.6" x 13.5" x 2.1" and 6.6lbs
G3 PowerBook (Lombard): 10.4" x 12.7" x 1.7" and 6.1lbs

Notice that the machine I'm talking about using is larger in all but one dimension - it's wider, thicker, and heavier than the 15" PowerBook, and yet I had no problems carrying it around and making use of it. Included for completeness' sake is the pro machine from the same era, which had a smaller screen and far, far less features than the current PowerBook.

It was fine because it had a handle built-in. Mmmm 800x600... you know the score. As for the PB of the era, it had far less features because, well, it was from that era. Still, it had a 1024x768 14.1" display. In my eyes, it was BIG. I had the Pismo 400, same size. (Lovely machine, though. I did always prefer it´s black frame around the display to the grey sported by the current series.)

The 12" PB, like I claimed earlier, has the minimum screen estate required and it offers far better portability than, say, my 15". It may be thicker, but it´s still smaller, neater. The fact that I´ve used them both, in the office and on journeys, means I have compared and am in a position where I can conclude on that experience.

I just don´t see your urge to bin the 12" because it may fall far behind it´s bigger siblings on processor power. Or the iMac. It offers the true portability that many users crave for. If there was no market for it Apple would have killed it just as quickly as they did with the Cube.

As for iMac designs, yes Apple could do something revolutionary again. But all functions need to be justified, not just added to create a buzz. As it stands, I´d rather have a fully featured notebook that can perform almost any task wherever you are (incl. DVD-burning), than a powerful ultra-compact with a tiny, useless screen, syncable home-folder (might come in handy), and a dock with a 17" LCD that´s likely to sit in front of you when you work anyway.
 
pjkelnhofer said:
I don't know about anyone else, but I am very excited about the double to bush-hammer. I have been saying Apple need to add this feature for years.
:D


It has been awhile since I've busted out laughing at a post here . . . you had me cracking up pjkelnhofer . . . thanks for the nice interjection of humor into a conversation that has been a little too serious. :)
 
Just an idea, maybe they should call it fMac for flexMac just because the pole on it bends and holds the monitor. I do like the iiMac idea though. The OS gets new names every updated version of the first decimal place - Panther, Tiger, Jaguar.
 
Squire said:
You're talking about that thing replacing an iMac, right? That's a desktop. For any amount of typing, you're going to need a keyboard. Most people would add a mouse. And, again, if you're replacing a desktop, you'll want a fancy LCD display, too. The tax man might want a piece of the pie, too. Like I said before, there's an extra 800 bucks.

and

Belly-laughs said:
Right... you have obviously never been in need of an efficient system when on the go. How on earth would someone be able to do any work with that screen size and resolution. The 12" PB just makes it with a 1024x768 resolution. If it had the same resolution on a 10" screen it would be too small for my liking. I do get a feeling you don´t think so.

Point is, 800x600 is useless for design at all. A Photoshop palette uses approx 210px of horisontal screen estate. The tools palette uses another 50-60. You´re left with 540px. Then, if you have rulers on, you got even less. For 3D-work, well Cinema 4D requires even more. So, even though it might be a fast devil, the 800x600 resolution is not just a slight disadvantage. It kills it.

I disagree wholeheartedly and without qualification, because what you're talking about at the moment is the traditional paradigm of computing where there has to be a defined role for a computer. This could very well remain true within the professional space, but I can forsee a very spacious market for a computer that functions well as the center of a home unit, as an assistant and work device when on the go, and which retains your personal settings and preferences wherever you are.

The docking station would silence those who cry for the "headless" mac because it allows expandability at the station, while not cluttering the basic unit's functionality, and also allowing for other options. Apple could easily bundle the same keyboard and mouse that come with their other computers in the package without taking much of a hit on margins, because you know that they buy those things by the lot. If you don't want to pay $600-2000 for an Apple display, you can just buy another one. I hear CRTs and basic USB peripherals are pretty cheap these days. :rolleyes:

However, you're not looking far enough out, you're not "thinking different."

This might be a bit hard to do under the current setup and the programs that exist at the moment, but Microsoft has shown how you can use palettes that don't get too far into the way. Combine Expose functionality (touchscreen command with hotzones to tap for each of the modes) and you suddenly have all of those windows in an easily manageable format. This is using software to circumvent the issues with holdovers from people who refuse to move with new technology just because they're used to something else.

That being said, here's a specific answer to the problem:
The flexMac (I like the flexMac name) would be perfectly usable as a tablet with onscreen feedback, which most current designs don't have. Quite aside from that, it would allow people like me who do a lot of academic shuffling between locations to carry one machine that auto-synchs, allows both handwritten and typed notes, sketches and hand-diagrams (important in all kinds of academic and professional settings, and impossible on a standard laptop). Perhaps it might limit in-field creation, but so does the trackpad and laptop keyboard, so don't kid yourself on the idea that a laptop is an ideal solution to the problem of work on the go. Serious graphics design is still done in front of a tower, not on any portable with an even remotely respectable battery life.

The putative artist could sketch out their ideas, rough the concepts, and then leave the heavy work for when they can plug in and work on a larger monitor. Hell, it could be that we see 802.15.3 soon enough that one of these things could drive a full-scale monitor wirelessly, feeding the information to the base station or a compatible unit so that you could work wirelessly and direct your more serious computer without having to stay put. Sounds like an advantage in a design house, especially given the whole distributed processing, remote-client, SAN storage model that Apple seems to be moving towards.

More and more, I expect to see Apple pushing the idea of leaving heavy-duty stuff to a farm of some sort, and not to individual computers. This fits perfectly with that.

pjkelnhofer said:
I don't see the point to the extra slot idea. If you have access to a second processor why would you ever take it out (same goes for more RAM). But, I love the idea of a PDA with an iPod style hard drive and OS X that allows me to basically take my Mac with me.

Simple. You get more power control if you are drawing less off the battery. When you need to conserve, you merely remove or shut off the modules you don't need, and that includes everything from drives to processors. When you need it again, slap it in and there it is. Also, this would allow the sale of massively upgradable chassis and product lines, which would only need the purchase of modules to increase their performance.

Apple wouldn't do it?

What do you call the xServe and the hot-swappable xServe RAID?

Belly-laughs said:
I just don´t see your urge to bin the 12" because it may fall far behind it´s bigger siblings on processor power. Or the iMac. It offers the true portability that many users crave for. If there was no market for it Apple would have killed it just as quickly as they did with the Cube.

No, I think you miss my point entirely. The PowerBook 12" will fall behind, if technology continues as it is. As much as you might think there's a market for it, there isn't a chip that will work across the line at the same speed, while being faster than the G4 and allowing the same heat profile. Even the e600s will be 10 wattts more (but also gaining a second proccesor on-die), and the 970 hardly bears talking about with it's increase in support and chip heat for minimal performance gain.

As for iMac designs, yes Apple could do something revolutionary again. But all functions need to be justified, not just added to create a buzz. As it stands, I´d rather have a fully featured notebook that can perform almost any task wherever you are (incl. DVD-burning), than a powerful ultra-compact with a tiny, useless screen, syncable home-folder (might come in handy), and a dock with a 17" LCD that´s likely to sit in front of you when you work anyway.

It's perfectly justifiable, though perhaps not for you. That doesn't mean Apple shouldn't do it, especially not if they can continue to revolutionize computing as they always have. This is a paradigm shift, not a mere form factor change, and it fits with the distributed, parallel strategy they seem to be fond of.

Imagine, if you will, the Apple home computer system in five to ten years. When I look, I see a device like the flexMac for personal use, with two or three processor and storage units serving to the client machines (which could be more traditional or even further jumps) so that resources are optimized as much as possible.

Simple, fast, and innovative. Think Different.
 
thatwendigo,
Thanks for the extensive post. Don't get me wrong- I like the little thing and I think your thinking is basically on target. However, I don't think the market is ready for the device you speak of. (Not the OQO but rather a micro-sized desktop replacement.) Right now, typing is a key part (no pun intended) of interacting with a PC. Until that's replaced, people will view these micro-PCs as glorified PDAs NOT desktop replacements.

So, in a nutshell, good idea but slightly ahead of its time.

Squire
 
Squire said:
thatwendigo,
Thanks for the extensive post. Don't get me wrong- I like the little thing and I think your thinking is basically on target. However, I don't think the market is ready for the device you speak of. (Not the OQO but rather a micro-sized desktop replacement.) Right now, typing is a key part (no pun intended) of interacting with a PC. Until that's replaced, people will view these micro-PCs as glorified PDAs NOT desktop replacements.

So, in a nutshell, good idea but slightly ahead of its time.

Squire
Why not have a small predictive keypad and a joystick, like on a cellphone? Takes up very little space, and, at least in Europe, everybody is very adept at texting.
 
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