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G5 Specs for WWDC!
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.a said:
Apple's Worldwide Developer's Conference is June 28 - July 2.
http://developer.apple.com/wwdc/index.html
IBM is having difficulties producing 2GHz chips (PPC 970FX) in quantities. What makes you believe they will suddenly be capable of shipping chips rated at 3GHz? If they were able to do so, as mentioned by another poster, why don't they put underclocked samples of that wonder chip into the Xserves?
Apple most probably will announce new PMs at WWDC because they have to . (They can't keep the same specs for a over a year). So the new top of the line PM will have a CPU running in the 2.3-2.6 GHz range. The 3GHz PM won't surface untill at least MWSF next Jan. Of course, Apple could announce 3 GHz PMs that wouldn't be available for another 6 months or so, but that would seriously hurt short term sales as everybody (or almost everybody) would wait until the 3 GHz beasts hit the shelves. Eventhough Steve Jobs promised they would hit 3 GHz within a year, he can't make IBM produce 3 GHz chips if they have to face a problem that couldn't be foreseen.
Apple most probably will announce new PMs at WWDC because they have to . (They can't keep the same specs for a over a year). So the new top of the line PM will have a CPU running in the 2.3-2.6 GHz range. The 3GHz PM won't surface untill at least MWSF next Jan. Of course, Apple could announce 3 GHz PMs that wouldn't be available for another 6 months or so, but that would seriously hurt short term sales as everybody (or almost everybody) would wait until the 3 GHz beasts hit the shelves. Eventhough Steve Jobs promised they would hit 3 GHz within a year, he can't make IBM produce 3 GHz chips if they have to face a problem that couldn't be foreseen.
Zaty said:
Sounds right to me.
I think they will try and distract us with other things like a new iMac, Tiger, new iPods (Colour), maybe some new software upgrades, new LCD screens etc
Zaty said:
Remember folks were talking about two completely different processors here.
The Xserves NEED the 970FX due to it's lower consumption. The 975 can't simply be underclocked and stuffed in a 1U enclosure, it's just not made for it.
These new towers will need all the space and fans the old ones did to keep cool and quiet.
rdowns said:
thanks . though i know that - in the thread stood "... new g5 will be announced with the WWDC and deliverable at the latest in APPLE Expo" - the question is, when is this APPLE EXPO (the french one in paris?), not the wwdc.
as a matter of fact, apple announces products and delivers it 3-5 months later (xserve, ipod mini)
hope they get it right now!
.a
Since this is an update, not a new product, Apple will only announce it when it's ready to ship immediately. Apple ALWAYS does this for updates of existing products..a said:
neonart said:
Do you know the specs of the 975 then? As far as I know its existence has only been rumoured. So do we have any confirmation that such a processors already exists and if it does, is it likely to appear in the next PM revision? If in fact the PPC 975 is ready why has Apple been waiting so long?
This is about the water cooling thing... I've only seen water cooling on hardcore geek modded PC's, not on any retail offerings from any major computer company. I think it would be a tech support and public relations nightmare, because so many people wouldn't know what to do, or how to use it. Besides, any malfunctions would probably be disastrous...
Not beef, per se, just comparison
Don't get me wrong, folks:
The single processor 1.6 GHz G5 is a GREAT machine. I guess I should've been more specific stating that compared to the dual processor G5's, the 1.6 does seem slightly slower to respond.
I've been to my local Apple Store, and did an informal test of the speed between systems. To gauge perceived speed, I quit all applications running (except Finder, of course), and gauged how long it took for each individual system to launch Safari, Entourage, iTunes, iPhoto, and Photoshop CS (almost simultaneously, by clicking on each app's icon in the dock). Both Dual's were, IN MY OPINION SIGNIFICANTLY faster than the single 1.6 model.
So, since when upgrading to a system, for me, I'm looking at the most advanced model I can possibly purchase, so that 6-7 months down the line I don't feel the system is running as slow as molassas.
Purchasing a single processor 1.6 GHz, as opposed to a dual processor 1.8 or 2.0, in light of the specs to be introduced in a little over a month from now, is a mistake. BUT, that's only my OPINION.
Don't get me wrong, folks:
The single processor 1.6 GHz G5 is a GREAT machine. I guess I should've been more specific stating that compared to the dual processor G5's, the 1.6 does seem slightly slower to respond.
I've been to my local Apple Store, and did an informal test of the speed between systems. To gauge perceived speed, I quit all applications running (except Finder, of course), and gauged how long it took for each individual system to launch Safari, Entourage, iTunes, iPhoto, and Photoshop CS (almost simultaneously, by clicking on each app's icon in the dock). Both Dual's were, IN MY OPINION SIGNIFICANTLY faster than the single 1.6 model.
So, since when upgrading to a system, for me, I'm looking at the most advanced model I can possibly purchase, so that 6-7 months down the line I don't feel the system is running as slow as molassas.
Purchasing a single processor 1.6 GHz, as opposed to a dual processor 1.8 or 2.0, in light of the specs to be introduced in a little over a month from now, is a mistake. BUT, that's only my OPINION.
Borg3of5 said:
I'm running dual 1ghz powermac doesn't feel slow as molasses and we use it to layout a magazine and edit large ads and graphics in photoshop.
2 Optical bays and 4 Drive bays...
I acnnot believe that anyone is knocking the idea of water cooling!! They MUST be using an alternate cooling method if they pulled all of those fans out to make room.
How else could they possibly do it? They must have removed at least 6 fans to make room for all those bays! They could be using that Coolidgy technology that popped up not too long ago.
I acnnot believe that anyone is knocking the idea of water cooling!! They MUST be using an alternate cooling method if they pulled all of those fans out to make room.
How else could they possibly do it? They must have removed at least 6 fans to make room for all those bays! They could be using that Coolidgy technology that popped up not too long ago.
neonart said:
This is about what I would expect. It should secure world's fastest PC line title for a while - maybe permanently when you factor Intel's EOLing the P4 and switching to the P-M architecture going forward.
My P4 generates over 90 and Prescotts create over 100 watts. 65 is great and suggests they have lots more headroom in clock speed.
But peeps are buying more notebooks than desktops - hopefully they speed up the PB line too. Next rev should be G5.
Its CRAZY !
Thats the Typical Mac user problem ! Why dont simply think yeah cool a 3 GHz Mac they made it within 1 year !!! (Happy) But, no ....
Now they begin to discuss over heat and noise. In normal Apple learns from there mistakes you see that on (when it is true) 4HDD and 2 Drive Slots so now they wont take a Chip or a colling system which makes the G5 to a vaccum cleaner !
Man ...... be happy over 3 GHz and be Happy that AMD and Intel will not even have a chance against this machine ! The fastet Athlon 64 FX has 2.4 ! And AMD lets it rising slowly in 200 MHz steps.
Thats the Typical Mac user problem ! Why dont simply think yeah cool a 3 GHz Mac they made it within 1 year !!! (Happy) But, no ....
Now they begin to discuss over heat and noise. In normal Apple learns from there mistakes you see that on (when it is true) 4HDD and 2 Drive Slots so now they wont take a Chip or a colling system which makes the G5 to a vaccum cleaner !
Man ...... be happy over 3 GHz and be Happy that AMD and Intel will not even have a chance against this machine ! The fastet Athlon 64 FX has 2.4 ! And AMD lets it rising slowly in 200 MHz steps.
I can understand wanting to buy the best system that one can afford, but this statement makes no sense. The system will not feel any slower 6-7 months down the line than it did the day you bought it. A lot of professional graphics artists (and I'm sure other professionals as well) use older systems to do their work becuase companies wont buy them the latest gear every six monts. Many people are very productive on old G4 towers. Most people who are not productive are probably suffering due to incompetance rather than the fact that they have older computers.
Shocking
I am amazed about people's disbelief when hearing anything about water cooling in a PC. This has been around for years.
and indeed, Sega's ill-fated dreamcast console had a liquid cooling system and that was in 1997/8!
for further proof, see these links.
http://www.gamesx.com/dreamcast/index2.htm
and
http://members.tripod.com/DC_cheats/id74.htm
case closed. water/liquid cooling is not beyond the realms of possibility.
I am amazed about people's disbelief when hearing anything about water cooling in a PC. This has been around for years.
and indeed, Sega's ill-fated dreamcast console had a liquid cooling system and that was in 1997/8!
for further proof, see these links.
http://www.gamesx.com/dreamcast/index2.htm
and
http://members.tripod.com/DC_cheats/id74.htm
case closed. water/liquid cooling is not beyond the realms of possibility.
nighthawk said:
Yeah the translation was a little off. I'm sure that means 2 optical drive bays and 4 HD bays, which is very logical and a step in the right direction!
Also, I think this rumor is garbage. I'm expecting Apple to release 2.2, 2.4, and 2.6 Ghz models, with the latter two being dual. I don't think its reasonable to expect 3ghz models considering IBM's fabrication problems. I really don't see how it would be a letdown, as a dual 2.6 would be very competitive.
So what if Steve said they would be at 3ghz. He made a statement based on information he had a year ago. Things change. Deal with it.
So what if Steve said they would be at 3ghz. He made a statement based on information he had a year ago. Things change. Deal with it.
nmk said:
I second that. I don't see a 3GHz G5 at WWDC. The xserves still have a very long leadtime. And thats because of the chips. I hope for any update at all at WWDC.
