Galaxy S9 Will Likely Still Have Rear Fingerprint Scanner as Apple Rumored to Ditch Touch ID Entirely

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    Samsung has decided not to include a fingerprint scanner under the display of its next-generation Galaxy S9 and Galaxy S9+ smartphones due to continued technical difficulties, according to South Korea's The Investor.


    Instead, the fingerprint scanner will likely remain positioned on the back of each device, just like the current Galaxy S8 and Galaxy S8+ models.

    Fingerprint scanning is one of three biometric options for unlocking the Galaxy S8 alongside iris scanning and facial recognition. Samsung says all three solutions provide "defense-grade security" around the clock.

    Shortly after the Galaxy S8 launched, however, videos surfaced showing that Samsung's facial recognition system could be fairly easily duped with a picture of someone. The iris scanner was also tricked with contact lenses.


    In fine print on its website, Samsung admits that its facial recognition system is "less secure than pattern, PIN, or password." Facial recognition can't be used to authenticate access to the Galaxy S8's Secure Folder or Samsung Pay.

    "It is important to reiterate that facial recognition, while convenient, can only be used for opening your Galaxy S8 and currently cannot be used to authenticate access to Samsung Pay or Secure Folder," the company told Ars Technica in March.

    Apple was widely rumored to be attempting to integrate Touch ID under the display on the iPhone X, or even on the side or back of the device, but the company's hardware engineering chief Dan Riccio suggested it ditched any form of fingerprint scanning after hitting "early line of sight" with Face ID.

    Samsung's facial recognition system is unquestionably less secure than Face ID, which uses significantly more advanced 3D facial recognition and has a 1 in 1,000,000 chance of being duped by a stranger, according to Apple.


    Apple is so confident in Face ID that it is planning to abandon Touch ID in favor of the TrueDepth system on all of its new iPhone models released in 2018, according to well-connected KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo.

    Apple says Face ID only has a possibility of being less reliable for identical twins, siblings who look alike, and children under 13 years of age, the latter because their distinct facial features may not have fully developed.

    Apple's Face ID security paper explains how the TrueDepth camera projects and reads over 30,000 infrared dots to form a depth map of your face, along with a 2D infrared image. This data is used to create a sequence of 2D images and depth maps, which are digitally signed and sent to the Secure Enclave.

    Face ID is designed to confirm user attention, ensuring a lower false match rate, and mitigation against both digital and physical spoofing.

    Article Link: Galaxy S9 Will Likely Still Have Rear Fingerprint Scanner as Apple Rumored to Ditch Touch ID Entirely
  2. Hardy1989 Suspended

    Oct 26, 2014
    Let’s see them put that in their apple bashing commercial...
  3. keysofanxiety macrumors G3


    Nov 23, 2011
    I can see it now. A user boasting about all the great features of the latest Galaxy to their iPhone-wielding friend, and only at the end of the commercial do they realise they've been talking to a cardboard cutout the entire time.
  4. GadgetBen macrumors 6502a


    Jul 8, 2015
    Yet another year of the iPhone continuing to better the crappy cheap tacky Samsung
  5. scrapesleon macrumors 6502a


    Mar 30, 2017
    If Samsung didn’t get rid of the headphone jack you really think they going to get rid of Touch ID
  6. RowellE macrumors regular


    Mar 5, 2012
    This makes me worry that the prices of all future iPhones will start at least at around the $900 price point.
  7. KingslayerG5 Suspended


    Oct 16, 2017
    Just place the fingerprint scanner below the camera lens this time, Samsung. Follow HTC, Huawei, and LG.
  8. dwaltwhit macrumors 6502


    Oct 25, 2013
    But will definitely continue to be financed and/or subsidized by the phone companies. I can only imagine the small sliver of iphone users that pay cash for their handset. The sticker price becomes more and more irrelevant as the business models of phone companies adjusts to mitigate the sticker shock.

    Say what you want about apple's "courage" but they definitely jump in feet first and don't look back. Headphone jack? More and more people are going wireless anyway. Fingerprint scanner? Our faceID will render it passé. Home button? It was fun while it lasted.
  9. Micool1 macrumors regular

    Aug 4, 2014
    I had a fear that I would miss Touch ID, but after a couple days with my X, I don't miss it at all. Face ID is great!
  10. applesith macrumors 68030


    Jun 11, 2007
    Samsung was probably waiting for Apple to figure out the Touch ID under the screen first and then copy/adapt from that. But now they'd have to figure it out themselves.
  11. ihonda macrumors 68000

    Sep 17, 2009
    I paid full price for both my 256 X... so
  12. justiny Contributor


    Jul 28, 2008
    Fairfield, NJ
    Knowing how Samsung loves to copy Apple, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Samsung really push their iris and facial scans, no matter how limited, into their mainstream advertising.

    But I give Samsung some credit... They still have the headphone jack.
  13. Return Zero macrumors 6502a

    Return Zero

    Oct 2, 2013
    Fingerprint scanners in 2018?? Those neanderthals.

    Seriously though, "defense-grade" security that can be duped by a photograph or contact lens is laughable. Face ID can't even be duped by professional mask makers. Once again, Apple is multiple years ahead of the competition.
  14. Nozuka macrumors 68020

    Jul 3, 2012
  15. BvizioN macrumors 601


    Mar 16, 2012
    Manchester, UK
    Samsung is too scare of removing anything. They tried with memory card slot and had to bring it back. Samsung is known to pack their phone with a tons of mediocre stuff. But I give them point for the beautiful displays they do. ANd their galaxy design on e recent years have been great.
  16. Return Zero macrumors 6502a

    Return Zero

    Oct 2, 2013
    The X has at least 4 things jacking up its price: OLED screen, more complex motherboard, stainless frame, and Face ID hardware. All of those will get cheaper over time except perhaps the stainless frame, which probably isn't a huge adder anyway. I suspect the screen is the main culprit, and if we ever start to get some valid competition between manufacturers with this stuff (it's been almost exclusively Samsung for mobile OLED and LG for TV OLED), then prices could plummet. This should allow Apple to maintain new phone models in the range of $700-800.
  17. 2010mini macrumors 68040

    Jun 19, 2013
    Always wondered how you using the rear fingerprint sensor when the phone in a car dock.
  18. dwaltwhit macrumors 6502


    Oct 25, 2013
    A small sliver is not "no one ever" but in the grand scheme an ever shrinking percentage.
  19. dominiongamma macrumors 65816

    Oct 19, 2014
    Tempe, Arizona
    But Apple was going to do it as well so would they have been tacky if they did the fingerprint screen scanner? This is one area I wished Apple would have gone for instead of quitting
  20. iPhone_X macrumors member


    Nov 2, 2017
    Samsung users need to "grow up" and get an iPhone X with a facial recognition system that is actually secure.
  21. madKIR macrumors 6502a

    Feb 2, 2010
    Truth to be told...I don't miss Touch ID at all! Moreover, every time I have to pick up my old 6S Plus, that home button and the fact that you have to press it feels very outdated. Granted, the 8 Plus felt a little more robust due to its new home button, but how many times did it fail to work due to wet hands!
    Yes, Face ID might be 1 second slower now than 2nd gen Touch ID, but for the first gen it's absolutely perfect and waaaay better than the first generation of Touch ID. I can see that Apple will only improve it by speeding it up and implementing wider angles to unlock it.
  22. dr34mc4st3r macrumors regular


    Aug 18, 2009
    After a few days of Face ID , I'm ready to leave Touch ID behind. s9 gonna look dated before its even launched !
  23. ke-iron macrumors 65816

    Aug 14, 2014
    Correct. Seeing that Samsung makes and assemble the display components for Apple, this sounds very likely that they would copy how it was done.
  24. satchmo macrumors 68000

    Aug 6, 2008
    Samsung executives: "Sh*t, we actually have to think for ourselves?"
  25. ke-iron macrumors 65816

    Aug 14, 2014
    The rumors said Apple was looking into Touch ID under screen. Apple themselves said they were not looking at such methods once they’ve realized the potential of Face ID. Face ID have been in development for more than 3 years. About the same time Touch ID was introduced, so Apple was already looking past Touch ID way back then.

    I think the rumors were false, it was an easy rumor to spread since it seamed like the next logical move for Apple to make by putting Touch ID in the display.

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