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WTF is this political crap?
 
iPhone/touch developers have multiple systems already to deal with... and/or to ignore when developing.

There are three versions of phones, each with increasing functionality (3G, GPS, compass).

There are two touch versions, with different speed and input. Many people also haven't upgraded their iPod touch OS, because of Apple charging for it.

It'll get more interesting as time goes on, and the hardware is updated.

Very minor issues for iPhone compared to all the various hardware and OS version android developers will face.
 
For good measure, here's an example of a frequently recurring frustration I've been experiencing lately:
Playing Rock Band on my iPhone, the framerate suddenly drops (meaning I usually miss a note or two), and the game pauses. Notification pops up.

Now, I could read the notification, move on, unpause and continue playing (after waiting through Rock Band's slow loading). But if I want to respond to the text or get more detail on whatever it is, I have to quit Rock Band, completely abandoning my session, and when I want to go back I have to start the game up again, starting all over again.

Apparently you need to write to the Game Dev and yell at him for piss poor pause and resume design in the game.

in Madden10 ( GO BEARS!!) if I got a text, IM, whatever.. it would yes slow down for a moment .. go to the pause screen and show my IM/text/whatever... now if I just hit the ignore or whatever button the notify box went away and I went back to the game.. it picked up mid play if I recall correctly ... now if I had to answer im/text/whatever.. well sure it unloaded the game loaded up texts/AIM/whatever and I did what I had to do .. reloaded up madden and resumed the game again .. sure I had to start the play over.. but hey ... IT'S A FREAKING PHONE THAT I CAN PLAY MADDEN ON !!!!!!!! A PHONE!!!!

if I wanted it to be just for games and have nothing interrupt me I'd go buy a XWii360PS... and I'd shut my phone off and play games on it .. but I'm PLAYING THEM ON MY PHONE!!!!! if the notifications bug you soo much in the middle of your rock band session ... try this ... Put it in airplane mode.. SHAZAM!!! no annoying texts popping up to ruin your day.

also if you could do all this multitasking that everyone is begging for ... Umm .... well all the great high powered games we play on our iphones would SUCK.. cuz you would not get enough processor cycles free and free ram to well play the freaking game !!!!! and well there goes your already timid battery life ( Hey I love my 3GS but man the battery could be better... Steve please don't smite me for that one ! )

I personally LIKE having then notes pop up .. cuz hey lookie there.. I found out the boss is headed to my office so I better stop playing madden and make it look like I'm working ...

basically QUIT WHINING and realize your playing games on your PHONE.. it's #1 job is as a communications device... game center second.
 
Apparently you need to write to the Game Dev and yell at him for piss poor pause and resume design in the game.

in Madden10 ( GO BEARS!!) if I got a text, IM, whatever.. it would yes slow down for a moment .. go to the pause screen and show my IM/text/whatever... now if I just hit the ignore or whatever button the notify box went away and I went back to the game.. it picked up mid play if I recall correctly ... now if I had to answer im/text/whatever.. well sure it unloaded the game loaded up texts/AIM/whatever and I did what I had to do .. reloaded up madden and resumed the game again .. sure I had to start the play over.. but hey ... IT'S A FREAKING PHONE THAT I CAN PLAY MADDEN ON !!!!!!!! A PHONE!!!!

if I wanted it to be just for games and have nothing interrupt me I'd go buy a XWii360PS... and I'd shut my phone off and play games on it .. but I'm PLAYING THEM ON MY PHONE!!!!! if the notifications bug you soo much in the middle of your rock band session ... try this ... Put it in airplane mode.. SHAZAM!!! no annoying texts popping up to ruin your day.

also if you could do all this multitasking that everyone is begging for ... Umm .... well all the great high powered games we play on our iphones would SUCK.. cuz you would not get enough processor cycles free and free ram to well play the freaking game !!!!! and well there goes your already timid battery life ( Hey I love my 3GS but man the battery could be better... Steve please don't smite me for that one ! )

I personally LIKE having then notes pop up .. cuz hey lookie there.. I found out the boss is headed to my office so I better stop playing madden and make it look like I'm working ...

basically QUIT WHINING and realize your playing games on your PHONE.. it's #1 job is as a communications device... game center second.

Give the guy a break. He's making valid suggestions for improving the way things worse. It's not perfect as-is, ya know.
 
Very minor issues for iPhone compared to all the various hardware and OS version android developers will face.

What, like 1.5, 1.6 or 2.0 ? Vs.. oh... 2.0, 3.0, 3.1 ? Seems about the same to me :rolleyes:

Not to mention can I use GPS ? Video camera ? Faster GPU ? Compass ?

The iPhone is as cobbled up as the Android platform. Either you develop for a small subset of features available everywhere, or you're stuck not supporting some of the devices.

Wait, you were going to mention screen resolution ? Android's API takes into account that you might be or not running on different resolution screens.
 
Google is not the only one bleeding devs for their phone platform, Apple is also facing developper exodus :

http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/1...ssively-popular-iphone-app-quits-the-project/
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/11/respected-developers-fleeing-from-app-store-platform.ars

Kind of disapointing Macrumors chooses to report on the competition, but not the iPhone itself. It's not like Apple is fairing any better.

Wow. Seriously, wow. Complete and utter fail on your part.
 
Honestly this article doesn't surprise me at all. It all comes down to user base, there's what maybe a million Android phones out there compared to how many millions of iphones?

This really is one of those chicken/egg situations. You wont get a huge user base without lots of great apps, but you wont get lots of great apps without enough users to buy them.

Apple is in the exact opposite situation when it comes to pc gaming. Lots of companies don't port their games to mac because they dont see a compelling financial reason, however people wont make the switch cause their favorite apps/games aren't on mac.

As for me? I have a macbook pro laptop and love it, if i could easily/legally run OS X on my desktop pc i would. I think OS X is an amazing operating system. I also have a Motorola Droid and think it's a great phone, but if i wanted to develop an app, it would be for the iphone simply due to the bigger user base.

As of right now, there are a lot of Android based phones getting ready to hit the market shortly so in a year or two it will be worth it to develop for Android. As for now? Apple clearly is the leader in the smartphone app market.

People have been very excited and eager to develop for the iPhone since the day it launched, which is before it had the large user base it has right now. They were so excited to develop for the iPhone, not because it had a large user base, but because it was such an exciting and groundbreaking new platform that laid the foundations for the future of mobile platforms. Thats why people were so eager to develop for it. The explosion in iPhone sales came AFTER the App store was launched when the iPhone priced 199.
 
I actually have to agree here. I'm more Linux than either OS X or Windows, and I do expect to get simple apps for free if they are open sourced.

I ditched my iPhone and got a Droid and every app I need is free. So I am not complaining. The navigation is sweet (free), the IM client I use is completely integrated (free), and the email/calendar/doc sync with google apps is integrated (free). I am not a gamer on my phone, so gaming companies never made money off me from the iPhone to begin with.



Yup. I'll take an open-sourced program over something else any day. Since there are a ton of free apps on Android already, it's going to be tough to charge anything unless you create something that's unique.

Yeah I'm sure the iphone doesn't offer free apps, the majority of apps downloaded on the iphone are free! :rolleyes:

"French mobile phone games company Gameloft " that should be enough to tune out... if not, there is no date on that quote and it is reasonable to assume it was before the DROID sold 250,000 units in a week.

Can you give us a reliable source instead of guesses from analysts, please and thank you.

inferior according to whom?

According to the majority of consumers who have voted the iphone into the phone with the highest consumer satisfaction. The iphone also has the highest satisfaction amongst business users.

Oh look, another thing not reported here, iPhone app piracy at 60% : http://www.pinchmedia.com/blog/piracy-in-the-app-store-from-360idev/. Maybe the iPhone isn't the big gold mine LTD makes it out to be after all :eek:

If the iphone is at 60 percent, Android must be one hundred since developers aren't making any money there and their users except everything for free, still better to develop for the iphone.

iPhone/touch developers have multiple systems already to deal with... and/or to ignore when developing.

There are three versions of phones, each with increasing functionality (3G, GPS, compass).

There are two touch versions, with different speed and input. Many people also haven't upgraded their iPod touch OS, because of Apple charging for it.

It'll get more interesting as time goes on, and the hardware is updated.

Right but it's still 100 times better than the situation developers in Android world are facing, and more hardware is coming out.
 
Fanboy statement enough? :rolleyes: Motorola Droid/Milestone has higher resolution among other attributes that puts it ahead of the iPhone, but because it's made by Apple.... (your above statement). :confused:

What? That's almost stupidest thing i've ever heard.
 
More arm-chair experts arguing their pointless point.

Apple has the best Smartphone and OS out there, the sales say it, the people say it, the facts say it.

Of course we always get the gathering of nerds who like to think they have a slight insight to the future to justify their backing of other platforms - which is cool, but do not act in denial.
 
Google's problem is that they want everything to run "in the cloud" which means you access their system to get to the internet. kind of like the old AOL and mainframes.
The Problem with Android and the associated APP store, is fragmentation of Hardware. Each new Android Phone has a different interface and a different level of support, for a specific Android OS version and it's capabilities. A developer will have to basically port his program to support each potential Android phone and Android OS release.

Both of you hit on the main problem with Android and something that affects all Android application developers.

Google is not interested in making Android a "lifestyle choice" like Apple has been with the iPhone.

They're interested in having yet another platform to distribute their advertisement-supported applications to gather more user demographic information they can sell because those are the only two revenue streams Google mines.

It's why their apps also run on the iPhone. And Windows Mobile. And Symbian. And Blackberry. And Palm. And Palm webOS. They need scale to maximize revenues so they support all platforms more or less equally.

As such, I do not expect Google to nurture the Android hardware and software community like Apple has. They give the OS away for free and they don't take a cut from any hardware sales or service contracts. They spent the money to seed the market, but if it stalls, Google still has plenty of other "oars in the water" so they have no entrenched vested interest to ensure Android succeeds like Apple does with the iPhone, RIM does with Blackberry, Palm does with the Pre, etc.
 
I actually have to agree here. I'm more Linux than either OS X or Windows, and I do expect to get simple apps for free if they are open sourced.

I ditched my iPhone and got a Droid and every app I need is free. So I am not complaining. The navigation is sweet (free), the IM client I use is completely integrated (free), and the email/calendar/doc sync with google apps is integrated (free). I am not a gamer on my phone, so gaming companies never made money off me from the iPhone to begin with.



Yup. I'll take an open-sourced program over something else any day. Since there are a ton of free apps on Android already, it's going to be tough to charge anything unless you create something that's unique.

There are FREE applications for navigation on the iPhone, there are FREE IM client applications on the iPhone and there are FREE "email/calender/doc sync"
applications on the iPhone you didn't make any point whatsoever.

Open source isn't everything, most customers ARE NOT developers so open source means nothing to them.
iPhone SDK offers a solid platform on which you can develop for one specific OS. Stop making it seem like ALL the applications in the appstore cost money cause they do not.
 
There are FREE applications for navigation on the iPhone, there are FREE IM client applications on the iPhone and there are FREE "email/calender/doc sync"
applications on the iPhone you didn't make any point whatsoever.

Open source isn't everything, most customers ARE NOT developers so open source means nothing to them.
iPhone SDK offers a solid platform on which you can develop for one specific OS. Stop making it seem like ALL the applications in the appstore cost money cause they do not.

Interesting how even after all this time, all this publicity, all the mindhsare it's garnered, there is still such ignorance about the iPhone. Frankly, I think it's just deliberate obfuscation.
 
A little offtopic but this is an extremely unlikely interpretation of events. The SDK was much too advanced (and well-documented, including introductory videos, etc) at the time of release for this to be believable, given the very short timeframe.

I think it's pretty clear that Apple intended for the App Store to exist from day one, but it wasn't ready at release. Steve sang the praises of Safari-style apps up on the stage to hook developers into playing with JavaScript-type stuff in the interim while some major iPhone OS issues were dealt with.

Agreed. And the fact that Steve Jobs stood up on stage at the time and said that they want to release a native SDK, but hadn't figured out how to do it at that time.

I also find it funny that when Steve mentioned "web apps" everyone on the planet thought he was crazy. Now of course we have both Google and Palm who want developers to do pretty much the same and those companies are "innovative." At least they're both using Webkit.
 
It did. Everyone quit making fun of the Pre and now make fun of the Droid. Both are garbage. Even with a 5MP camera, the iPhone takes better pictures… smoooth.

ROFL yeah everyone is making fun of the Droid. All those good reviews must be a figment of my imagination. :)

So tell me: how much time have you spent actually using the Droid?
 
Interesting. Developers are leaving the iPhone because of the opaque and capricious app review process and developers are leaving Android because of the lack of revenue. Which platform will win?
 
More arm-chair experts arguing their pointless point.

Apple has the best Smartphone and OS out there, the sales say it

Actually, no, the sales say Apple has the 3rd best Smartphone and OS out there. But I don't think you're interested in facts... just arguing your pointless point.

Interesting. Developers are leaving the iPhone because of the opaque and capricious app review process and developers are leaving Android because of the lack of revenue. Which platform will win?

Neither. Everyone here is under the impression that one must win. That's not the case. In a competitive market, everyone wins.
 
It is unfortunate but you have to target the massess. If I were a developer I would target the iPhone and then Android. Its only logical.

Following your logic, you target 18% of the smartphone market (the iPhone) first and leave the remaining 82% aside (which consists of more than just the Android platform).

The only reason that really speaks for that preference is that the iPhone is the most expensive target device and that it is usually owned by people who have that extra buck to spend. It's certainly not the market share that makes it so attractive - it's the consuming audience. Consumers is the key word here.

If you wrote business software, and not games, you'd be much more interested in the other platforms, because once again Apple seems to be missing the opportunity to enter the enterprise market. It's amazing enough that they are not missing the games market this time - they never managed to attract and support game developers to and on the Mac. Jobs has always been to snobbish for that.
 
This reminds me of the eras when Atari, and then later Nintendo, dominated the video game market. Other companies would come out with "better" hardware, but they would not be able to compete with the leader because they didn't have good games. There is much more to a successful game platform than the highest resolution or the fastest processor. It's all about having good software.
 
Interesting. Developers are leaving the iPhone because of the opaque and capricious app review process and developers are leaving Android because of the lack of revenue. Which platform will win?

I think there are a lot more developers for the iPhone than the Android, so the iPhone can survive better without a few of them than the android can.
 
Neither. Everyone here is under the impression that one must win. That's not the case. In a competitive market, everyone wins.

This is something I don't understand. Why are the fanboys so desperate for other phones to fail? What difference does it make if another manufacturer makes a phone that sells more than the iPhone?

As long as Apple stays focused and keeps improving the iPhone what is their problem. Are they so insecure that the thought of someone having a "better" phone fills them with dread?
 
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