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[Games Forum] Moderation Request

But I think that members control themselves better in the other forums so as not to need such harsh moderation but more of a post clean up.

What I think the game section needs is the fear of god in them so that they wont flame or start petty fights.

Everyone walked all over the substitute teacher in school but if that teacher carried a big stick they would behave.
 
Just because we don't post in certain forums doesn't mean that we don't read them regularly. Many of us started posting a lot less when we became mods, but we still frequent the forums just as much (if not more so).

Most moderation does happen as a result of reports, but this is because reports typically come pouring in so much faster than we can read (thousands of eyes are faster than my pair on their own).

We could rule the Games section with a firmer hand if that was wanted, but we try to do as little moderation as possible and I think the community usually appreciates this. We don't want to be the thought police. Since many of the most prolific games posters (and people in this thread) are the ones I usually notice as trouble makers, I don't think people would like the results of a firmer hand.
 
Lemon, in your opinion would some extra Mods be a good thing or is it not needed at this time.
 
bousozoku said:
You could hope to get rid of the troublemakers but in the past, almost no one reports them unless they (or their platform) have been insulted.
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Interesting to note that I reported a thread this morning for some very obvious threadcrapping. Five hours later that thread has yet to be moderated.

No mods have been on within five hours? Why report things when nothing is done?
Maybe, it's time for someone to watch them intensely, as they want, and clean house. :D
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No doubt that person is you? :rolleyes:
Flowbee said:
Actually, the moderators *do* provide "adult supervision" to the other forums. I think the point is that the moderators spend more time reading and posting to the other forums, and, because of this, they "clean up" those forums more proactively. Because we rarely see a moderator participating in any games discussion, it's assumed that they don't read those threads as actively, and aren't aware of problems unless they are reported.

I think it's reasonable to suggest that the moderators spend a little more time scanning the games forum to help keep up with what's going on in there.
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Thank you for gleaning the gist of what I was trying to convey and articulating it so well.
 
MacNut said:
Lemon, in your opinion would some extra Mods be a good thing or is it not needed at this time.
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We have so many mods right now that we are often tripping over each other (responding to the same issue at the same time). That said there is a parallel conversation occurring right now in the mod forum about this, so it is being discussed. We maintain a running conversation on people who have noted are reliable reporters and might make good mods. And just as I have noted before that some people in this thread are habitual trouble makers, others are likely mods. Lately when we have taken on new mods it has been because we are trying to fill a a time zone gap.

To some it up I don't think we need a new mod right now, but we have people in mind when the need arises, and the most likely candidates would probably fill a time gap rather than a forum gap (as i don't see that one truly exists).

Abulia said:
Interesting to note that I reported a thread this morning for some very obvious threadcrapping. Five hours later that thread has yet to be moderated.

No mods have been on within five hours? Why report things when nothing is done?
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The post in question is this in case anyone was wondering. I think it serves as a good example of the non-issue and the thin-skin of some of the people complaining.

We won't censor someone just because they articulate a dislike for a game you like. In fact the comment spurred a conversation on the appeal of the game that does not seem at all inappropriate for the game forum. In fact I think this is exactly the kind of conversation people would want to see - a discussion on the quality and appeal of a forthcoming game.
 
AmbitiousLemon said:
The post in question is this in case anyone was wondering. I think it serves as a good example of the non-issue and the thin-skin of some of the people complaining.
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wait....that was a reported post? Im not a moderator but I don't see any infraction in that post, nothing that warrants punishment.

So what this comes down to is "You hurt my feelings so Im gonna report you" isn't that playground tattle tactics?
 
Abulia said:
No mods have been on within five hours? Why report things when nothing is done?
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Every post report is investigated, and that's been true for every single post report (many thousands of them) since I've been here. Almost all reports are looked at promptly, including the one mentioned above.

The assumption that visible moderator action should always be the result is incorrect. Some reports are judged not to be problems, or not serious enough to warrant action unless the problem continues, and warnings, when given, are sent privately.
 
Abulia said:
Interesting to note that I reported a thread this morning for some very obvious threadcrapping. Five hours later that thread has yet to be moderated.

No mods have been on within five hours? Why report things when nothing is done?
No doubt that person is you? :rolleyes:
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Why report that? There was nothing wrong with it.

I'm already trained, so why shouldn't I, unless what you really want is someone to protect you and your buddies only? Moderators aren't allowed to play favourites but it sounds as if you only want forum moderation when you're not the one being moderated.

AmbitiousLemon said:
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The post in question is this in case anyone was wondering. I think it serves as a good example of the non-issue and the thin-skin of some of the people complaining.
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I certainly don't see anything wrong with it.

MacNut said:
wait....that was a reported post? Im not a moderator but I don't see any infraction in that post, nothing that warrants punishment.

So what this comes down to is "You hurt my feelings so Im gonna report you" isn't that playground tattle tactics?
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We've had a few of those from certain people but usually, they learn not to do that. Too bad there isn't a "false reporting" offence. ;)
 
AmbitiousLemon said:
The post in question is this in case anyone was wondering. I think it serves as a good example of the non-issue and the thin-skin of some of the people complaining.
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Blimey, yes. I suspect part of the problem is a small core of people who post in the Gaming forum a lot, and so manage to rub each other the wrong way very easily. I know there's the odd poster that pretty much every post of theirs annoys the piss out of me, and I think that's what's happening here because of everyone posting and everyone having such strong feelings about the console they prefer — it's all just got a bit close for comfort.
 
I think the people that were complaining about the lack of Moderation should apologize to all the mods for what is nothing more then "why aren't you paying attention to me" I think the gamers in there that are making false reports should really think if its offensive or just not what you want to hear.
 
I think that reported post was hilarious, then I realised that is really what happens in the game.:confused:

anyways, a sense of humor could go a long ways in saving a mod's time...:)
 
AmbitiousLemon said:
Since you guys seem to have enjoyed that example here is another reported post we discussed and decided no action was necessary.

Apparently the reporter felt this was inflaming a console war.
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wait, what...are you sure you sent the right post?

I would love to see the "worst" reported post hall of fame.
 
Ok, after seeing this discussion, and the examples of reported posts, and getting a feel for the general tone of the Games forum, here's another vote for just shutting the thing down. More trouble than worth, IMO.

I've posted maybe a handful times in that forum, and will not miss it, at all.
 
zap2 said:
Thats stupid...I don't post in some forums....but I don't want them shut down.

The game forums are great, and in no way should be axed
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Don't worry. We don't think that type of drastic action is necessary. It's worth airing the issues, and discussing the type and level of moderation that's appropriate, but as AmbitiousLemon said we don't think major changes are required.
 
zap2 said:
Thats stupid...I don't post in some forums....but I don't want them shut down.
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I didn't say I wanted it shut down because I don't post there. There's a lot of forums here I rarely go into. I wanted it shut down because of the bad atmosphere and childish bickering... :rolleyes:
 
MacNut said:
wait....that was a reported post? Im not a moderator but I don't see any infraction in that post, nothing that warrants punishment.

So what this comes down to is "You hurt my feelings so Im gonna report you" isn't that playground tattle tactics?
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Yeah why was that reported ? :confused:

AmbitiousLemon said:
We won't censor someone just because they articulate a dislike for a game you like. In fact the comment spurred a conversation on the appeal of the game that does not seem at all inappropriate for the game forum. In fact I think this is exactly the kind of conversation people would want to see - a discussion on the quality and appeal of a forthcoming game.
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yep exactly. It's just not Oni's cup of tea I knew that when reading his post he was being witty not offensive to me. Hence I went on to explain why It appealed to me. Strange...
 
spicyapple said:
Believe it or not, I get most of my political news from MR when I chance to visit the sub-forum directly. It's a good source of filtered news with biased left-wing commentary. :)
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You know, I don't think ive laughed as much in a long time. Kudos.

Yeah, so you get Gaming Bicker in the Game forum, its what being a Gamer is all about. Leave it alone.

Good job your doing Mods, Admins, etc. Don't fix something thats not broken. ;)
 
AmbitiousLemon said:
The post in question is this in case anyone was wondering. I think it serves as a good example of the non-issue and the thin-skin of some of the people complaining.
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"Some of the people complaining" being me, I suppose. Your agreement or disagreement with my reporting that aside, how is the post in question considered relevant?

It adds nothing to the conversation, it only belittles those who do want to discuss the topic at hand, and only further incites hostility.
We won't censor someone just because they articulate a dislike for a game you like.
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I find this offensive: the presumption on your part that just because someone reports something, it (the comment) offends them or just happens to be against a position they favor.

Case in point, I own a 360, hence I read the 360 threads. Thus, if I report a thread there is a high correlation that said post will be in a 360 thread. That does not mean I am attempting to stamp out or censor anti-360 sentiments.

Yet that is exactly what you are purporting.

In any event, I consider it a moot point. Since the post in question (linked above) isn't a concern then clearly I am off base here.

I respectfully rescind my request and ask that this thread be closed. Clearly there is no issue here and I apologize for the spirited -- yet apparently unwarranted -- discussion that followed.

Frankly, I feel more than a little beat up over a thread that I started with the only intent to try to better the MR community. Instead I feel belittled and my position marginalized simply because my outlook "is different."

If the linked post above is considered acceptable community standards around MR then I can only accept that is by design. Surprisingly while that inflammatory post remains I had one of my own posts moderated today; a very light-hearted post with two other MR users over what constitutes "next-gen" and it was all in fun.

If the intent was to send me a very strong message it, in fact, worked.

Thank you all for your comments,
 
It was relevant because it was an opinion, a lot of things people say I might not agree with but doesn't mean it should be censored.
 
Abulia said:
Sadly, true. They're also more prone to starting the flamewars, IMO and the duplicate threads.

Don't get me wrong: we all get hot under the collar. The Games forum just does it more often and easier, I've found.
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Agreed, the games forum has a different tone from the rest of the site. Part of the reason I like this site so much is because its well-moderated and the site is kept relatively free of junk -- like those infamous 80,000 square pixel signatures that I see in most other forums, or red text on black background.

Then again, the gamer forum is a lot younger in average reader profile than the others, so maybe we're being a little harsh on them?
 
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