The 100W of USB PD is the maximum power you could charge it with. The sustained power you draw is determined by the thermal limit which for a MBP is lower. A bigger charger would not change that.
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Gaming on 16 inch MacBook pro
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Just stop using USB-C for power delivery also for the MBP, that was the dumb decision Apple made in the first place. I am advocating this since 2016...
Dell makes 130W USB-C charger for their laptops. Same with their TB docks - 130W over USB-C. It drops to 100W on non-Dell hardware, but it is doable.
Well they should have.....instead the MBP has a measly 96W powerbrick therefore here you are, a neutered GPU.
If you need more GPU power you are free to buy something else. Clearly Apple feels that 50W is enough for a laptop GPU and they have felt like it for last 20+ years. If that is not enough for you I am surprised you would even consider a MacBook Pro for your computer.
Back the the objective world, the GPU performs more than adequately given the overall laptop specs — it will outperform any other comparable multimedia laptop that is not a dedicated gaming machine. And the price is very competitive when you look at other portable workstations. For instance, a Dell Precision with 5540 with similar specs to the higher-end 16" MBP is currently listed at $3000 — $200 more than the 16" MBP. And the Dell's GPU is weaker, nor does it come with GDDR6 VRAM.
I really don't understand your obsession with the power brick... The limitation is the TDP of the chassis, which is currently somewhere around 95Watts. The choice of the power brick is the consequence of that, not the other way around. Apple never made a laptop with total TDP over 100Watts, in fact, the 16" is the highest-TDP MacBook Pro in existence.
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Why do you think so? I believe their testing methodology is currently the best in the reviewing business. The issue with notebook check is more how they report the results...
Because they report minimums, and maximums, and based on this they take the average Framerate.
In Overwatch for example minimum framerate is when you respawn and are black screens during the game, FRAPS reports huge dips down of framerate, and while gaming, there arent any dips below, for example 140 FPS on GTX 1660 Ti. When there is a respawn - Framerate dips to 50-70 FPS. Based on this you would extrapolate that it averages 105 FPS, which cannot be further from the truth. Similar things you can see with other games, when loading screen framerate vastly affects the end result.
Their testing methodology, and extrapolating framerate always was extremely off from other review sites, and never should have been believed.
For example - mobile GPU averaging similarly to desktop GPU, despite lower clock speeds, and memory bandwidths? Only on notebookcheck!
This Navi already has a pretty big jump in performance... If you need something more I suppose an eGPU is the only viable option in the market.
There isn't however a high end option like RTX 2080 for mobile parts in the MacOS market which is what some people are complaint about
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Agree it's more than enough plus it brings GDDR6 to a mobile unit.
I have a friend who works at Pixar and he keeps saying that the whole thing on how we see rendering will change in the near future since Cloud Rendering is starting to become more and more a reality especially for Mid End Pros
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Love that charger and that laptop! Wish we could get it
There isn't however a high end option like RTX 2080 for mobile parts in the MacOS market which is what some people are complaint about
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Agree it's more than enough plus it brings GDDR6 to a mobile unit.
I have a friend who works at Pixar and he keeps saying that the whole thing on how we see rendering will change in the near future since Cloud Rendering is starting to become more and more a reality especially for Mid End Pros
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Love that charger and that laptop! Wish we could get it
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I have a beef with notebookcheck testing also. It doesn't really apply to macs, but Windows notebooks have usually a myriad of manual power settings, and they run the tests in whatever mode they got the laptop without providing any explanation. And if the results are far off from expected they just like accept it at face value without investigating why. If you want to check performance of Windows based notebooks, notebookcheck is the last place to use, you will get all wrong results and relative pecking order.
Simply because the MBP could have the potential to be a strong performer also in the graphic department, modern GPUs allow awesome performances without the need to have 4 or 5 kg gaming laptops. And I am not talking only about games, a powerful GPU has positive effects on other tasks as well (GPGPU).
In 2019, they at long last decided to abandon their asinine obsession for thin and light, they could have done one further step in the right direction by improving the TDP even more, abandon USB-C for PD and adopt a better GPU (like the rumored Radeon RX5700M as an example, or an nVidia counterpart)...
While the rest of the maket is catering to pro / creators people, look for example at all the nVidia Studio products, instead we have another neutered laptop. What a waste of potential!
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Ah, I see. I am ashamed to admit that I never really noticed it. I though that their average was using some sort of outlier removal...
I have a similar issue with how they report Cinebench results: they just take the first run. So you have all these laptops that tank 30% of their performance after the third run since they start throttling but on paper the performance looks amazing.
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Sure, but then again there is no such thing as free lunch. You put in a powerful GPU you have to give up some other stuff. Like battery. Or size. Or convenient placement of air vents.
No they didn't. Come on, it's a 2kg laptop that is 1.62cm thick. It is still thinner and lighter than any 15" MacBook Pro save for the Touch Bar model. If that is not thin and light, then I don't know what is.
Step in the right direction according to whom? I mean, I am not trying to argue with you, Apple's lineup currently lacks a mobile workstation with a powerful GPU, that is a fact. But that "missing" laptop is not a MacBook Pro. That is something else entirely. The MacBook Pro was a thin&light machine with caped GPU since it's powerbook days.
In the end, I believe that Apple's position is this — if you need a faster GPU, you need a desktop. And there is a lot of truth to that. I am sure that they did their research and that they are confident that not changing the traditional MBP formula makes most sense to them.
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Given the only games I play these days are things like Starcraft II, Diablo, Heroes of the Storm, I assume they will run just fine on even the base model, correct?
I also play Destiny 2, but that's on Xbox and I am OK still playing it on there.
I also play Destiny 2, but that's on Xbox and I am OK still playing it on there.
These run fine in macOS on my 5300M. You may need to disable automatic graphics switching to make sure they use the 5300M and not the integrated graphics - Blizzard games have been having this issue since Catalina was released.
Great. I was leaning toward getting the 5500M mainly for the additional HD space and CPU. If they run well on the 5300M I assume it will be even better on the 5500M
Probably you forgot that we are in a thread about gaming on the MBP...like dozens in this very forum, they must mean something. Hint: there is a market for portable Macs with non-mediocre GPU.
Precisely..they should do a 1 inch 3 kg laptop, perfectly portable, with a more a powerful GPU.
You are conveniently ignoring the bigger picture....it's been at least 4 years that Apple is making nearly everyting else bigger and bulkier, iPhones, iPads, MacPro. They killed the usless MacBook (a thinner even less powerful copy of the already thin MacBook Air).
They redesigned after only 3 years the MBP making it thicker and heavier because for their dumb design choiches they were forced to introduce the butterfly fail keyboard....
They even fired Jony Ive, the evangelist of form over function...
The 2012 MacPro fiasco opened their eyes: Thin and light at the expense of performance is dumb
Obviously according to me, it is an opinion not a fact, as everything said above....And the fact that Apple never did does not mean they will never do, given their slow change in design filosophy...
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its a nieche, within a nieche. Apple users forgot how small Apple MacBooks marketshare have, and how small marketshare gamers have within this nieche.
I wish I could get some concrete information if Apple selects the best binned GPUs as people claim they do. For all I know They do!
They do indeed have my laptop GPU way off too. My 1060 Max-Q is 9% slower than the desktop variant due how to dell lets it run away with it's power limits. So it's hard to compare with their graphs, I agree.
I'm surprised. I though RDR2 would seem to be more graphic forgiving. Less intense When I saw the PC recommendation.
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Has anyone tried the eGPU Pro RX Vega 56?
My CB scores for Base Blade 15 and latest Blade Stealth w/1650 are 40% and almost two times higher respectively than what they came up with (under sustained load, first score is "only" 30% and 54% higher on my machines).
I can't answer that, and neither can anyone. We simply have no clue and its all conjecture imo
I believe AMD advertize the 5500M as having 22 CU while we are getting 24. I assume AMD will allow for 2 faulty CU which they switch off to get good yield. So Apple seems to be getting the parts with all CU working.
I also believe AMD states 85 W power. So I assume that Apple undervolts and / or there is something else being done to use less power.
I also believe AMD states 85 W power. So I assume that Apple undervolts and / or there is something else being done to use less power.
Have Destiny 2 running in Boot Camp, medium/high settings and 1080P getting mostly consistent 60FPS.
