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Who would have thought a few years back that Apple would ever have 12% market share.

me

I can't imagine primarily using something on the go such as an iPhone, I love them, but for me there is no replacement for a laptop...I guess I'm just not a huge fan of doing any sort of work on such a small screen. I really don't see that part coming true though. Maybe 12" notebooks, but nothing smaller.

I think you are forgetting that screens on small devices may not necessarily have to be small in a few years. Foldable etc

12% by 2011?...mmm, dont think so.

Easy. Not only will Apples traditional market share be steaming ahead, their new iPhone type devices which are effectively computers (and even more so by then) will be selling like hot cakes. Apple only need to have a small sliver of the phone market to become the most popular full blown OS on the planet! Though I expect Android might just take that title from them in time.
 
More market share would be great. It would attract more developers.

I think there is a tipping point as someone previously posted. However, I'm not sure about doubling market share in 3 years. The dollar is weak, banks are looking for bailouts from the sub-prime mess, if people start getting laid off then money is going to be tight. I think if the economy gets worse then maybe we are looking at apple gaining 10% by 2011.

I do think that once they hit the 12-15% range we might indeed see a surge in market share.
 
I'll get excited once they can claim 10% WORLDWIDE market share (or OSX user base). Until that happens, yes, growth is great but double digit would be divine.
 
I would hope for more, although I know it's unlikely. Not that I'm the biggest Apple fan (although I have a Macbook and iPhone)... it's just that a competitive marketplace is very good for the consumer. Some large companies (who I shall not name, but have 90+% of the market) have played the lock-in game too long. It's time they put the money, that which they all-but-force from the pockets of their customers, to good use. And competitive pressures will force that to happen, and I applaud Apple for continually making a larger dent in the market.

Are you talking about Texas Instruments??? j/k. but i do hate them.
 
Gartner said:
Gartner also predicts that by 2012, 50% of traveling workers will use devices other than notebooks. Gartner cites new "Internet-centric pocketable devices at the sub-$400 level" as a primary threat to the notebook in this arena. Notably, the iPhone fits this description.

This interests me. I'm particularly keen to see where the iPhone goes over the next little while (with the SDK, hardware updates at some point etc) for this reason. I've always been a notebook chap but for the first time I'm considering a desktop with an updated iPhone as my travelling companion (in the future of course).
 
If you consider the 8% stat as "real" people using Macs today, then 12% sounds reasonable 2011. Let's go for the slow and steady. Vista is no threat. We have time.

That's right, Vista is a bless for Apple, they really did them a favor.
 
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True Apple needs an affordable upgradeable machine. If Apple offered that their market share would increase even more. Just think if Apple decided to license their OS--Mac market share would increase exponentially, almost over night.

i wish for that to never happen..!!
not the market share, but the licensing.!!
 
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> Gartner also predicts that by 2012, 50% of traveling workers will use
> devices other than notebooks. Gartner cites new "Internet-centric pocketable
> devices at the sub-$400 level" as a primary threat to the notebook in this
> arena. Notably, the iPhone fits this description.

I see this as Apple next niche. I believe there's a market for a form factor between the iPhone and the laptop that people will flock to. Maybe a 8" to 10" display tablet. It obviously would be used much like the iPhone is today.

I could not agree more, I've been thinking about this non stop since purchasing my iPhone. I really think the iPod Touch wass the most logical evolution of the iPod. Music was the central focus back when the technology was new and in development, right now we are at a point where the technology has caught up and connectivity can truly become the central focus of these pocket devices.
 
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But once Apple's market share reaches a critical mass, all those factors will cease to be, and then over the span of maybe a year or two you'll see Apple's market share growth explode.

This is true since the early 1980s and was discussed by that time also (not on the internet however ;) ). Certainly due to SJ being stubborn not to give the mass what the mass wants (at that time: hard discs, color monitors, today: [fill in what you are missing]) but doing nice products for those who share his view on design, user interface etc., the explosion never happened - and will not happen in the next years, I guess.
 
Over the last 20+ years that I have used macs I have frequently felt that I had to explain myself when I told a PC user that I use the Mac. Lately whenever I say I use a Mac the response I get is "Oh yeah, my next computer is going to be a Mac." I never heard that even 5 years ago, now I hear it all the time.

Maybe the tide finally is turning, I hope that is a good thing.
 
what exactly can't you up grade in a mac pro ??

sure it will void your warranty ......... but then again .. if you put a new processor in your dell same thing.


mac pro - up to 16GB of ram, MANY articles of people tossing the newest processors in them and workin just fine. , Vid card?? well this may be limited but there ARE upgrades out there.

So I ask again .. what can't you upgrade??? Well I guess mobo.. but it's a mac.. you want a new mobo you buy a new machine.

Yes, the memory is upgradeable, but even the budget stuff is pricier than standard PC ram (yes, I know there's a reason for that, but still).

And as for video upgrades, if you own an X1900 there's really currently no upgrade path for the first-gen Pro users. Hopefully the 8800 will be released for those users, but until then the only recourse you have is to flash PC cards to work with your mac, a dicey proposition at best.

Please bear in mind that this is all coming from a very happy owner of a first-gen Pro (2.66, 4 core). I love the machine, but would dearly love a new graphics card in it.
 
worldwide apple only has 3.5% of the market share, 8% in the us.

if windows 7 is anything like vista apple will have 20% of the market by 2011 .
 
The last time I recall the Mac having a market share over 10% was in the early or mid-'90s. While it would be a great accomplishment to have it return to this level, it's worth keeping in mind that the Mac was widely considered to be irrelevant even when its market share approached 15%. I doubt this mindset will ever change very much. For evidence I can point to the market's reaction to last month's quarterly earnings report. Apple reported Mac sales growth three times the industry average, yet all anyone could see was the relatively slower growth of iPod sales. The bottom line is, a great many people now see Apple as the iPod company, and little else. Apple still has a long way to go to "prove" to the world that it needs more than one operating system.
 
True Apple needs an affordable upgradeable machine. If Apple offered that their market share would increase even more. Just think if Apple decided to license their OS--Mac market share would increase exponentially, almost over night.

Overall I like your post, just one nick-pick .... The word Affordable is a relative term. If you make a mil or two a year everything is affordable and if you make 20,000 a years almost nothing is affordable. Also your priorities come into play, some are interested in dinner for the table and some prefer to drink or gamble their money. Both have a place in the elusive Affordable term. Even 400 computers may not be affordable to some and a Wii maybe a preferred purchase to some based on their priorities.
 
I don't think so.

I think you missed the 'affordable' part. Where you might be able to justify the price of the Mac Pro and say its affordable for what you get, most consumers looks at that and say "Whoa!"

Most people want a 400-500 dollar machine they can upgrade over the years and keep awhile. Apple doesn't have this. Sure the iMac is in a sense their solution, but its still not what the majority of consumers want.

$400-500 machine? Sales figures, including percentage of laptops, say you are wrong. It's like saying everyone wants a Kia or Chevy Aveo--the numbers say no.
 
Easy...

I took a chance in 2000, and bought 1500 shares for $20,000. That's the good news.

The bad news is when I lost $100,000 worth of stock value within a couple of days last week.

I hope they are right about this doubling in market share. Maybe I'll be rich!

Yeah, me too. But you didn't lose ANYTHING unless you sold it--it's just a valuation. Invest a regular percentage of your earnings for the long term and leave it alone; all the fluctuations don't matter, as the stock market has trended upwards for 100 years, including the Depression and all the recessions. You won't regret it, and you probably will get rich.
 
Just my opinion:
As I stated a few post ago (read up) the term Affordable is a relative term.

Anyone remember the old Volkswagen bug? It was the car for the common people, much more affordable for those times. It sold well but did not put everyone else out of the market.

Dell and Gateway are in the same business, selling dirt cheap computers to the masses. Take a look at their financials and you will notice they are not doing that well.

Apple is not interested in going after the masses with a dirt cheap computer for multiple reasons that we do not need to go into.

Apple is going after the cool, just works, price reflects its value customer.

The closest Apple came was with the mini and it was overpriced by 100 to 200. I would love a nice mini for multimedia, Back-to-my-mac, backup server and print server but I rather pay down my mortgage earlier than purchase one at the 799 price. If Apple where to lower that baby by 200 or even 150, I and many others would be tempted. The mini would be my 4th Mac in the house (already have 3 laptops for the family). So priorities take a place also into the equation.

Lower prices yes, cheap for the masses not likely to happen. Apple will gain substantial market shares by delivering cool products at prices that fill their pockets without making the product only affordable by the very rich.
 
Here's hoping! It's a smart idea to soft-sell the wife on the touchy-feely strengths of the Mac. It's always easier to buy technology when she's on board.

Now if only I could get MY wife to see just how sexy a 42" HD flat panel would look in the living room.

Tried patches, logic and hypnotism? And she still is addicted to the clunky old tv?

For only $19.99, cash only please, Dr. Carlgo offers you this guaranteed cure!

Don't read this until you have sent the money.

Make her watch those home improvement shows and buy a pile of home decor magazines featuring modern high-end houses. Point out that it just looks so much better when they replace the big clunky old box with a flat screen. It makes more of a fashion statement than any new couch and frees up so much more space.

Sell it as decor, bling, fashion, anything but the specs. If you get into a discussion about 1080p and Blu-ray, you will lose and have incurable nightmares for years.

Keep the cost and size of the associated electronics down. Most guys drag their wives into the Expensive Room, thinking they will be impressed by giant speakers, miles of wires, multiple remotes and stacks of black boxes that for some reason are designed to look like scientific instruments.

What woman, you ask, wouldn't want ion counters and gravity wave benders in their living room?

The answer is, surprisingly, twelve. There are twelve women in the world that want that stuff in their living room. If you press this issue and try to sell both the flat screen and a big home theater system you will lose and suffer from ED for years to come.

So, if you send in that cash, read and study my prescription, you will indeed enjoy a flat screen in your living room, never have a nightmare and be more manly.

For only $49.95, cash only please, Dr. Carlgo will give you the prescription to get a giant home theater system that is totally beyond reason in every way.

And, if you act now, Dr. Carlgo will give you another Rx for a huge pair of subwoofers guaranteed to loosen the very structure of your house.
 
Here's hoping! It's a smart idea to soft-sell the wife on the touchy-feely strengths of the Mac. It's always easier to buy technology when she's on board.

Now if only I could get MY wife to see just how sexy a 42" HD flat panel would look in the living room.

About 3-4 years ago I did just that. I sold the wife on the idea and gave her a powebook 12" 1.25 for her birthday. A few months later I got mine and later we purchased one for our kid.

Not sure if it works for others, but it worked for me. Not only that but now the wife wants a MacBookAir and the wife, kid and I want an iPhone version 2 when it comes out.
 
This is interesting: Quad core cpu in a laptop

Rock's Xtreme XL8 promises twin GeForce 8800M GTXs
Posted Feb 1st 2008 10:30AM by Darren Murph
Filed under: Gaming, Laptops

Merely two days after Dell added NVIDIA's GeForce 8800M GTX to its beastly M1730, it seems that Rock is looking to up the graphical ante as well. Reportedly, the firm is gearing up to unleash the (likely rebadged) Xtreme XL8, which will house an Intel X6800 quad-core processor, a delightful pair of NVIDIA GeForce 8800M GTXs, up to 1TB of storage space and a 17-inch 1,920 x 1,200 resolution panel to boot. Furthermore, you'll find an Ethernet jack, Draft-N wireless card, an obligatory (no, really) HD DVD drive and a presumably laughable battery life. Waiting for the sting? Try £2,500 ($4,976) to £3,000 ($5,971), with pre-orders going live later this month.

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Found it in engadget, the most notable part (to me) is the quad core. Would be sweet in a MacBook Pro.
 
i think Apple can double their market share, but they are going to have to do something about their prices. as sexy as they are, Apple hardware is very, very pricey, especially in their Mac Pro series. for the same amount of money, I think you can get a PC with as-good-as or better hardware, run a faster version of Linux, plus have the availability to actually replace my hardware easily (or upgrade it).

my next computer will be a Mac, but it comes at a cost. i haven't purchased a computer in over a year now, and it will probably be a year or two before I get my next one (a MBP). i haven't purchased an Apple computer in 3 years. that will give a 4 to 5 year cycle of me investing anything into Apple, which is not what they want. if the MBP were $500 cheaper, I would have gotten one last year. in a 3 year span, I bought an iMac, a PowerMac, 2 iPods, and numerous pieces of software. but that streak ended 2 years ago. all I have bought since is an iPhone, and that thing partly embarrasses me because my friends know I am getting bent over by Apple when I want a different ringtone, and I am buying stuff from a company that is trying to keep me locked out of my own hardware. not just software, but my own hardware.

luckily for Apple, they have figured out how to brainwash a lot of people and convince them of their omniscience. there are a lot of people out there in which Apple can do no wrong. they will buy a polished turd if Apple sold one. i think this is what Apple might have to worry about, because the fanboism has become a complete turnoff to me. 5 years ago I was a true Apple user and defender, but the fanboism now makes me want to puke. i hope they gain a lot of market share, for then maybe we won't have to pay so much money for a novelty item.
 
You guys aren't counting on paradigm shifting.

Most of the posts in this thread are talking about Apple computers. Apple isn't only in the computer business anymore, and some Apple computer users even think that computer hardware is taking a back seat to media devices and service, where apple has an 80% marketshare in the segments it competes in, with the iPod, and the iPhone is also making serious headway.

The industry isn't going to stay the same. It isn't going to be about people sitting in front of a box on a desk, and "using the computer."

The computer isn't even going to be the computer anymore. The computer is going to be integrated into other things.

The big things on the horizon right now seem to be media center computer controllers, or portable combo devices, like the iPhone, ultra-portable laptops (which can take the place of portable DVD viewers and other single-use devices), and automotive integration technologies, like GPS navigation, hard-drive based, or iPod compatible ICE systems, and the like.

The computer isn't going to be a box on your desk. Or at least not ONLY the box on your desk. It is going to be in your TV/Home entertainment system. It is going to be in your cell phone, and in your car's dashboard, or at least in your car as a portable device. Integration is the name of the new game.

Once these sort of things start hitting critical mass, and if Apple can ride that wave the way it is with iPhone and iPod Touch, and the way it has made stand-alone computers fashionable and easy, with the iMac... it is going to reach critical mass, and grow along with it.

People were amazed at the iPod when it first came out, and considered themselves "cool" to even have one. Now a good number of people have several, and some families have many of them, collectively.

iPods get replaced. older white iPods get traded for smaller Nanos, or bigger capacity classics, and even some nanos, and newer style "classic" iPods are being traded for iPod touches, and iPhones with web connectivity and multitouch. It is a recycling marketshare, which also grows as new technology spreads down the price list.

I think the MacBook Air is just a stepping stone, too. A toe in the water before jumping in to a new class of portable computing that Apple could very well bring to the wider market, like the iPod. it is a stepping stone to smaller footprint computing, in more than just the physical sense. Computing with less optional equipment. Computing with less clutter, less weight, and less cabling. Co-opting other optical drives wirelessly is just the first overture. Time Capsule storage and backup via wireless is another.

I can imagine a day, within 1-3 years, when I have a Home Data Storage and media control server. It would be hardlined to the wired network, taking LAN, Cable/Satellite, land-base or VoIP Telephony, HD radio and TV air broadcasting, and whatever else, into a central home system. That system would of course be accessible by other devices in the home, like Cellular/Wifi/Land-line remote hybrid phones, video monitors, workstation terminal on the desk, whatever you choose.

I wouldn't need a big box on my desk at home. A 10" multi-touch slate-style tablet, as thin as, and lighter than the MBA, with wifi, 3G, and bluetooth, (and corresponding new technology in the future), a pair of USB and/or Firewire ports just in case, power, and a video output port, running the OS from an internal solid state memory array.

On a side note, I think SSDs are going to be a stepping stone to just replaceable memory for both operation (RAM) and storage (SSD-like). Why carry the weight of a hard drive casing with flash chips in it? why not just have the chips in a socket, like RAM? RAM has no encasement around it for more dead weight... and it is still just as replaceable and transferrable. Even a plastic envelope like an SD card has makes more sense than a metal drive case around non-moving, less volatile and sensitive parts.

For less portable use of such a 10" pad, a bigger screen, bluetooth keyboard and mouse, network storage and printing, and that 10" pad becomes dockable as a light-to moderate use workstation and internet terminal, or even presentation driving device. Only PRO grade stuff would need a full power workstation, or a full power mobile laptop workstation, which apple also does build, and likely will continue to do, for those who need that. But, why waste money putting Pro hardware into use as an internet terminal, and word processor, if that is all you really need?

Apple is one of the best companies at changing the paradigm, and integrating hardware into useful and intuitive uses. THAT is where things are going.

And devices are only going to get more disposable/recycleable, turning in technology to be dismantled and regenerated into newer technology. Some upgradeability is good, but you can't upgrade a Powerbook with intel processors. You can't upgrade existing laptops with multi-touch touchpads or screens. You HAVE to buy new for new technology, and mandating a very high level of upgradeability is counter productive to making equipment more affordable for now, and for replacement later.

I like being able to upgrade a bit. more memory, more drive space, replacement battery, etc. But that is different than non-user-serviceable core upgrades, which most people don't do, and most often require major hardware revisions. over-engineering hardware revisions to be extremely backward compatible leads to things like Microsoft's Vista still having aspects of DOS involved, and all the compatibility headaches that come with windows being compatible with new and old hardware from every vendor under the sun.

Make things cheap enough to be replaceable more often, more in the idiom of cell phones, and decades of backward compatability become less of an issue, and new technology takes off without long tethers to the distant past.
 
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