Gartner: U.S. Mac Sales Market Share Nearing 10%

[anubis]

Today marks 500 days since the Mac Pro was updated.

It's not like the Mac Pro is Apple's "hobby" like the AppleTV. This is their flagship desktop computer line.

I've had the money to buy a Mac Pro for over a year. Been waiting for an update. If Steve ever wants to see my money, he better pull it together. Fast.

 

[bobr1952]

What about WiFi?

As long as they keep them on the inside, we'll be fine.

 

[LagunaSol]

Today marks 500 days since the Mac Pro was updated.

It's not like the Mac Pro is Apple's "hobby" like the AppleTV. This is their flagship desktop computer line.

I've had the money to buy a Mac Pro for over a year. Been waiting for an update. If Steve ever wants to see my money, he better pull it together. Fast.

Baffling. You would think Apple could successfully walk and chew gum at the same time. I don't see any excuse for neglecting the Mac Pro line like this.

 

[Eidorian]

I gave up on MacBreak Weekly ages ago.

Otherwise I'll be holding out for Sandy Bridge. Boring computer hardware is boring.

 

[riverfreak]

These figures are pretty healthy, and actually in a couple of ways underplay Apple's success.

The iPad doesn't get included in these figures for Apple, but all the other PC makers have their netbook sales included. Looking at Acer and Dell, these numbers are pretty high in the mix of their unit sales.

Also, Apple is first and foremost a consumer focused company, whilst certain industries have used Macs for years, they don't have a massive footprint of sales into business.

Looking at the consumer market (where individuals are choosing to spend their own cash, not IT departments often making lowest common denominator type descisions for 100s or even 1000s of PCs at a go), Apple are a massive player in a way that many analysts have yet to realise.

Good point. And in many ways, Apple's "small" niche, boutique market bid is a huge, huge win over supplying chintz to big businesses.

And although the iPad isn't included in Gartner's analysis, they feel free to make wholly unqualified subjective statements like:

Surging popularity of Apple's iPad temporarily cannibalized mini-notebooks, as well as consumer notebook sales to some degree. It is not certain at this stage if the cannibalization will continue with the current price point of media tablets.

 

[rhb]

What I find most interesting is that the iPad is said to be taking boat loads of sales away from netbooks but iPads do not show up in Mac sales numbers.

BINGO. That's the hidden point here, and it's a big one. While some use their iPads as simple info consuming appliances, many are clearly using them for more complex computing tasks, and that's why they're eating into netbook numbers as they are.

The iPad is clearly Apple's trojan horse when you read numbers like these. Even if you counted 1/2 of iPads as "actual computers" -- and to be fair, you should if they're replacing netbooks -- that'd make 3.2 million "computer" units sold, right? And Apple would be knocking on HP's door at that rate.

I'm not a massive fan of the iPad in its initial form, but I think it's ludicrous that it's not part of these numbers. When the knuckle-dragging analysts finally figure out how the definition of "computer" is changing, they're all going to look like idiots.

 

[Full of Win]

I gave up on MacBreak Weekly ages ago.

Since Merlin jumped ship, its not the same.

 

[RawBert]

That's right, baby. Some Mac news for a change.

 

[darrenbeige]

Do they break it down on cost per unit? I'd be willing to bet that 20% of money spent on computers are done so on Macs, given their price premium over 299.99 Dells and the like.



Yeah, except your post.

Apple said last year it took 30% of dollars spent on computers were on Macs.

 

[marksman]

Where is Android on that list?

That is what I thought!

AH HA!

 

[darrenbeige]

BINGO. That's the hidden point here, and it's a big one. While some use their iPads as simple info consuming appliances, many are clearly using them for more complex computing tasks, and that's why they're eating into netbook numbers as they are.

The iPad is clearly Apple's trojan horse when you read numbers like these. Even if you counted 1/2 of iPads as "actual computers" -- and to be fair, you should if they're replacing netbooks -- that'd make 3.2 million "computer" units sold, right? And Apple would be knocking on HP's door at that rate.

I'm not a massive fan of the iPad in its initial form, but I think it's ludicrous that it's not part of these numbers. When the knuckle-dragging analysts finally figure out how the definition of "computer" is changing, they're all going to look like idiots.

I get the impression that Apple thought the iPad was going to be as an inbetweener-device for almost everyone, and thus they priced it low to keep interest.

However, I think they've seen that most people in fact want to use the device as a replacement for their laptop, not an addition. I think Apple has noticed this and is readying to react - expect big changes to the iPad, and it's OS.

Example A) Steve said printing was coming to the iPad. I bet they never thought that was going to be a big request at launch.

 

[scoobydoo99]

Apple also climbed back into fourth place for U.S. shipments, taking back the spot it ceded to Toshiba two quarters ago[/url] in the face of strong netbook sales.

Overall, Gartner saw a healthy 16% gain in U.S. PC shipments over the year-ago quarter, but pointed to slower growth in netbooks, reportedly due to cannibalization by Apple's iPad, which is not included in the study's numbers.

okaaaay. So Toshiba took Apple's spot 2 quarters ago based upon all the netbooks they sold, but now that Apple is selling millions of iPads, they DON'T include those in Apple's numbers?!?!

lame.

 

[Drag'nGT]

Are they able to gauge the real % of users? These are new Mac sales figures but what about when people get a Mac on Craigslist/eBay?

 

[cybaster]

Are they able to gauge the real % of users? These are new Mac sales figures but what about when people get a Mac on Craigslist/eBay?

Does Toyota include craigslist/ebay sales in their numbers?

 

[LOLaMac]

It would be interesting to see what the numbers would look like if the Mac still used an architecture that wasn't able to run Windows natively. And is 10% market share in 26 years of Macintosh really something to get excited about?

 

[ChazUK]

It would be interesting to see what the numbers would look like if the Mac still used an architecture that wasn't able to run Windows natively. And is 10% market share in 26 years of Macintosh really something to get excited about?

An upwards trend is always worth getting excited about. I'm pleased to see the marketshare increase.

 

[darrenbeige]

okaaaay. So Toshiba took Apple's spot 2 quarters ago based upon all the netbooks they sold, but now that Apple is selling millions of iPads, they DON'T include those in Apple's numbers?!?!

lame.

If you include the iPad, isn't there an argument to include iPhones too?

 

[ten-oak-druid]

It would be interesting to see what the numbers would look like if the Mac still used an architecture that wasn't able to run Windows natively. And is 10% market share in 26 years of Macintosh really something to get excited about?

10% of a large market is something.

And how many other PC manufacturers have gone out of business? I don't see Gateway on that list. Are they still making computers or just too small to make the list? What was the other one? Compaq? I guess being acquired by HP counts as still being around.

And what about the leader on the list? HP is around 25-26%. So is that significantly greater than 10%? I mean what is "exciting" in terms of these numbers? If a company reaches a majority or simply a plurality?

 

[cybaster]

It would be interesting to see what the numbers would look like if the Mac still used an architecture that wasn't able to run Windows natively. And is 10% market share in 26 years of Macintosh really something to get excited about?

And it would be interesting to see the number of deaths caused by guns if they don't count the deaths caused by bullets....

 

[Eidorian]

10% of a large market is something.

And how many other PC manufacturers have gone out of business? I don't see Gateway on that list. Are they still making computers or just too small to make the list? What was the other one? Compaq? I guess being acquired by HP counts as still being around.

Acer owns Gateway.

 

[ValSalva]

I agree, but Leo often puts points and counterpoints and changes his mind several times in one show(!). It's just a discussion. On MacBreak Weekly, I think Andy Ihnatko's analogy as the iOS devices being the new baby that needs attention was spot on... the mac can look after itself ok for a while (evidently if market share is still rising), the iOS stuff requires more promotion and attention while it is establishing itself.

I don't think I'm going to listen to the so-called MacBreak Weekly show anymore. They no longer talk about anything Mac except when a guest recommends an application at the end of the show or they are completely dismissive of Mac updates like they were with the new MacBook Pros and Mac Minis. It's a joke. Leo should just rename the show iBreak Weekly and be done with it.

 

[ten-oak-druid]

Acer owns Gateway.

I would imagine the only way any of these PC companies will break the 50% barrier will be to buy the other companies.

 

[rhb]

If you include the iPad, isn't there an argument to include iPhones too?

Well, yes and no, right? That's why this stuff is getting so interesting. As the functionality overlap increases among these devices, the definition of 'computer' has to adjust accordingly... it has to get broader, or narrower. But it can't stay the same -- and that's why reports like this are starting to make less and less sense.

I mean, clearly you can't define a computer on the basis of touch/non-touch interface. And you can't define it by whether it has a hardware keyboard. And whether it requires a monitor. And so on. So now Gartner and their geniuses are defining it as: 'what computers have been, more or less, for a while now'.

And that's just laughable.

 

[OllyW]

What were the worldwide numbers?

Click the Gartner link in the first post.

Apple don't make it into the top six for worldwide sales so there's no breakdown of their figures.

All we know is they've got less than 5.1% of the world market share.

 

[ten-oak-druid]

Click the Gartner link in the first post.

Apple don't make it into the top six for worldwide sales so there's no breakdown of their figures.

All we know is they've got less than 5.1% of the world market share.

And other companies drop too. HP is only at 17% worldwide by your figures; down from 25-26% domestically. So their plurality is even less.

The worldwide figures show greater diversity if anything.