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Gateway vs. Apple

Has anyone ever seen a pc boot up to a running state in 18sec. I can't belive that. I have a pIII 850 dell latitude at work running Win 98 and It takes so long to boot up I turn it on and walk away for a while because I can't stand how slow it is. My 867 G4 at home boots up in half the time and it is even faster now with 10.2 . I know that there is a big difference between a pIII 850 and the 2.4gz P4 and maybee XP helps but that is unbelivable. Can anyone confirm this?

Gateway's lack of originallity will be there undoing. What will they come out with next...a pocket size MP3 player? There are too many crap PC makers out there and this is a desperate attempt by one of them to stay a float.

I think I am starting to take these things personally.
 
As negative as the ad may be, this is VERY good for Apple. This ad is saying hey, the iMac rocks and if you like it check out our PC. The ad will also-

-further expose the imac
-further show that macs are computers like PCs
-add creditablity that macs are a viable alternative to PCs, so when gateway has this spot and then an apple switch spot comes on afterwards, looks good for us.
-any publicity is good publicity


When you compare your product to another, you're saying they were the best and the only option until now. That still says a lot for the imac.
 
When I first installed XP it booted really fast. Now that I have a large amount of apps on it, it's much slower. But I would say that when I first installed it took close to 18 seconds. I know it was under 30 seconds. However, XP sucks and I have all kinds of problems with it. I rather have W2K than XP and OS X than W2K.
 
I just saw the ad this morning too. The screen does move, as you can tell from the gateway website. There's a little virtual product profile where you can spin the computer around and look at it... sound familiar?

This kinda reminds me of those guys who ran track in high school who wore all the fancy clothing and shoes and touted their skills, but when the race was finally over had finished last.

Pathetic Gateway. Pathetic.


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As negative as the ad may be, this is VERY good for Apple. This ad is saying hey, the

This is a lot of free publicity for Apple... I don't think that we should have to worry that people will think that Gateway innovated the all-in-one design. Not many innovations come from cows... except finding new ways to produce excrement.
 
I just booted up my pIII 850 and it took 2min and 4sec. I have an imac G3 333 that boots much faster than that.

....I know, I should get back to work.
 
Bye Bye

I hope this just drags gateway down further and those tests suck they are so obviously aimed so as to give an untrue picture of system performance, I mean who ever heard of a PFD opening test. I probably will never get to see the adverts as I am in the UK, but I hope this backfires on Gateway and sends them down.
 
Product Marketing 101

iMac customers are people who:

a) are fundamentally uninterested in Windows, or
b) are fed up with Windows

Which of these groups are the geniuses at Gateway targetting?

Incomprehensible :confused:
 
Re: UPDATE

Originally posted by LimeiBook86
www.cnet.com says:

update Gateway has a message for Apple Computer's iMac: Step aside.
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Don't you get away from these type of people after graduating from high school?

Ohhhhh...... I'm sure Steve is shivering in his boots. Get a life Gatewacker.
 
from a galaxy far, far away...

<aapl_response_ad_1>

cue music: Who - Won't Get Fooled Again

fade in on profile4
* voice-over (JeffG): A monkey in a silk suit...

cross-fade to steve ballmer's UberChimp video
|track-sync: {meet the new boss}
*|voice-over(JeffG): ...is still a monkey.
|track-sync: {same as the old boss}

fade to black

fade in to apple logo on black background
*|track-sync: {final five chords}
fade out

</aapl_response_ad_1>
 
new ad

profool_quickie.jpg


Please don't jusge the art too severly. I din't think a gateway spoof was worth putting too much time on. ;-)
 
Advertising 101

OK kiddies, here's a basic lesson that i learned/read somewhere. Of course, there are reasons to break the rules, but the rule in advertising is don't mention your direct competition by name in YOUR advertising. Gateway obviously does, so they felt that there was a legitimate reason to do so. What could this reason be? Gateway realizes it's machines would not fare well against comparatively powered PCs? The iMac marketing is starting to create a buzz that they want to ride on the coattails of?

Now, i'm going to go out on a limb and start some smack talk from our side of the fence that was so in vogue in the late nineties:

Gateway is doomed. They are probably closest to Apple in the PC realm. Retail stores, now an imac-type, and now some wanna-be advertising... i'll make the prediction that since they are competing with other PC makers and now they add Apple to their list of competitors...well, unless Billy G. gave them a large infusion of cash, i'm putting my opinion out there that Gateway will file within 2 years.

Anybody wanna join the fun?
 
Re: Advertising 101

Originally posted by PretendPCuser Gateway is doomed. ...[ I]'m putting my opinion out there that Gateway will file within 2 years.[/B]
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The amazing thing is that they haven't filed yet. They're on their knees, gasping - have been so for months. This ad campaign is one last, desperate attempt before the lights go out.
 
I must say, Gatelaid seems to be piling so much crap on top of themselves (with the help of their friendly cow) that their world is beginning to sink and drown. I'm not saying that because I'm a Mac user, but because...

When you take a look at Gateway, what you see is a variation of Apple's best products in their own variation. Their own variation is simply a Mac with the price down, a terrible software OS, and a poorly-designed hardware casing. Second, when you see their own switch promotions, you are really watching Gateway's variation of Apple's most honest switch ads (with the arguable exception of Ellen Feiss (sp?)) with amateur advertising, zero heart, and all desperation. Finally, when you combine these two together, along with all the past instances of so called "rip-offs" of Apple's hardware/software/advertising, you are looking to be handed a very heavy stack of papers, with the words "law" and "testify" somewhere on them.

The only thing keeping Gateway alive is people failing to realize this. Once people do, Gateway will drown much quicker, because the cow will faint and fall down, causing an earthquake and a waterspout, flooding the Gatelaid empire.
 
Originally posted by User X
Has anyone ever seen a pc boot up to a running state in 18sec. I can't belive that. I have a pIII 850 dell latitude at work running Win 98 and It takes so long to boot up I turn it on and walk away for a while because I can't stand how slow it is. My 867 G4 at home boots up in half the time and it is even faster now with 10.2 . I know that there is a big difference between a pIII 850 and the 2.4gz P4 and maybee XP helps but that is unbelivable. Can anyone confirm this?

Gateway's lack of originallity will be there undoing. What will they come out with next...a pocket size MP3 player? There are too many crap PC makers out there and this is a desperate attempt by one of them to stay a float.

I think I am starting to take these things personally.
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actually, yes i have. My friend has an athlon 1.2 Ghz (i think, might be 1.4) that he built himself, and it starts up on windows 98 in about 10 seconds.
 
I am sorry I have to say this but... Just looking at the figures in the report Apple should be worried. Yes the machine looks butt ugly but that has never bothered pc buyers in the past, and it isn't a beige box sitting on the desk!! Style wise the iMac wins hans down, but speed does matter.

chubakka said further up the forum:

Start up time... we know that 10.2 fixed that.

The quake test resolution is set low so that the iMacs superior graphics processor is taken out of the equation. If they had run the test at a higher resolution the Geforce would have smoked the Profile.

a PDF test? that's just weird... and ummm... who cares?

and an Explorer Javascript test? Explorer is a Microsoft product... nuff said.
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but they don't have to redo the report every time Apple make an update to their OS!

Taking a quick shifty over at toms hardware guide:

http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/02q2/020522/index.html

the Geforce4 mx in not much better than Geforce2 mx, and the iMac still got smoked maybe Apple should not try palming off second rate tech making people think they are getting something nearly as good as the Geforce4 Ti.

Next point PDFs, well the os is built on the god damn things (well postscript anyway!)

Oh and lets not forget the Javascript test using MSIE well Apple must like the product or the money Microsoft give them as Apple seem to like it enough to ship their product with it.

In regards to price well just looking at the sites it seems like you can have two 1.7GHz Profile 4s for the price of the iMac they tested. When you look at the Apple site you can see they base their headings not of Fast Faster Fastest but wether it has a superdrive or not!!! I would prefer more speed for my money and have a superdrive!

Apple must not ignore Gateway, this computer will be advertised alot! The only place I see Apple ads in Europe is in Apple mags, isn't that preaching to choir? It has a competitive price and spec abit ugly but as I said at the begining millions of people buy uglier machines and will continue to!!!
 
Boot times.

For the record for a machine to be certified XP compatible by big brother it must make it to the start screen in 30 seconds if only one user, or the login screen if multiple users. This is time from power on, through post, cold boot and loading of the OS.

Although XP "cheats" and delays loading lots of DLLs and such it really needs until after you are "in" the OS. Still it an effective way to may perceived boot time faster.
 
Test Results from Ziff Davis

I went to the Gateway site and they have a PDF file which lists the benchmark comparisons between the Gateway Profile 4 (probably the ugliest computer I have ever seen) and the imac. The test results were done from E Testing labs, which is owned by Ziff Davis. I went to the Ziff Davis site, and they have nothing but good things to say about the imac, and in fact had this statement

"Given the new specs, the iMac's performance held no surprises. On most of our tests, the 800MHz G4 processor outscored a 700MHz G3 by about 30 percent to 40 percent and lagged behind a dual-procesor 800MHz Power Mac by a broader range of 10 percent to 40 percent. An Ah-inspiring design!

I would be interested to see what imac they used to compare computers. Also, I would be interested in seeing ALL the benchmark tests, not just the ones they showed. Either way, I would rather have a machine that is a little slower, but looks better, especially if the faster computer looks like the Profile 4. I love how the profile 4 screen tilts maybe a few inches at the most, and only up and down.

It's obvious that they design guys mac wouldn't hire went over to gateway to design that awful piece of shiat!

Makes me proud to be an Apple computer owner!
 
Re: Re: UPDATE

Originally posted by sockdoggy


Don't you get away from these type of people after graduating from high school?

Ohhhhh...... I'm sure Steve is shivering in his boots. Get a life Gatewacker.
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What the hell was that all about?:rolleyes:
 
See post above-Ziff Davis

Additional info from post above. Just as I suspected. I went to etestinglabs website and found out some very interesting facts. Just as I suspected, Gateway gets to choose which tests are released in the report, which is total BS if you ask me. I know Gateway won't release tests where their computer lost, which was probably most of them. Here are some excerpts directly from the etestinglabs site:

"The final report is usually the climax of our testing process, and we produce quite a few of these reports every week. The reports we've posted on our Web site, however, represent only a small fraction of the tests we've performed and the test reports we've written—the fraction that our clients have chosen to publish. Each client determines, for each test, whether to have us post its test report. Clients also may request that we remove reports that are no longer current, and we attend to such requests immediately.

many clients elect to not make their reports available to the public. We maintain strict confidentiality for these clients and honor their right to not publish information about their tests and test reports.

For those clients who choose to have us post their reports, we build one or more individual pages within our Reports area—in effect, we create mini-sites for those clients. These clients can link from their own Web sites directly to their pages within the eTesting Labs site.

This hosting of test reports highlights the fact that a respected, independent testing provider ran the tests. Clients can direct customers, shareholders, and others to this page, where we've listed their reports along with those of some of the world's best-known companies.

I SMELL A RAT, or is it a cow?
 
And the funny thing is...

Gateway's ad agency did all the editing on Macintoshes. The ad agency deserves an Oscar for the act they put on to kiss Gateway Executives a$$.

No serious designer/video editor has ever gone through their entire career without a Mac.
 
tests are lame...

First off... OSX doesn't crash so how often do you need to start it up anyway?
The gateway is running XP so start up time is much more important... it'll be crashing and rebooting alot.

Second... if the geforce card isn't a factor... then why did they run it at such a low resolution?

Explorer is still embedded into the Windoze OS code... and until Explorer is FIXED for the mac... it's gonna be slow.... that's not Apple's fault... it's Microsoft's.

And the PDF test... would a 104 page PDF opening on Gateway Profile in a little over 4 seconds versus the Apple's a little under 8 seconds make me not want a 17 inch widescreen over the FrankenMac Gateway?

Put them side by side and see which computer would get the attention...
AND which would get purchased. The 2 top end models are priced exactly the same... and the iMac has a superdrive.
 
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