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Now THAT'S why I'm a member here...this thread has been an out and out laugh fest to read! Thanks for all the pics and the wild comments...this is when the best of y'all come out, when that stupid COW company thinks they can compete with the beauty of the iMac.

My 2 cents...yes, this THING looks like a 10 year old prototype that they found in the Apple reject dustbin.

The beauty of all this? The iMac will now enjoy more publicity. I know if *I* were not familier with the Apple line up and I saw it in one of Gateways' ads, I'd be asking myself "Hey, what's that?! I want one!"

hahahaha! Gateway stock now trading at 4 bucks...
 
Just from a PC persons point of view, Mac has GREAT software and OS, but the hardware SUCKS bigtime (that's a fact) and are WAY overpriced, until some better hardware comes out I'll stick with my PC.

As for Gateway, Yupp, that is the UGLIEST thing I've ever seen, I'm sure the ad will backfire. On the otherhand this may force Apple to lower prices and that's a good thing.

PS. My PC with Win XP doesn't crash, but it's not as smooth as OS X. DS
 
I just saw this ad on Monday Night Football. Beautiful! I think it's so funny that Gateway feels threatened by Apple enough to wage an ad campaign against them. Bring it on beyatches!
 
Re: srobert, you crack me up!

Originally posted by daytona63
srobert, that was an extremely funny post - I actually laughed out loud!

Yup... I made it up... but it was on the easy side. As for a Gateway alias, someone came up with a real funny one: GateLaid. I laughed this one out loud.
 
Thoughts on Gateway Profile...

Hopefully "competition" (used in the loosest way) will make the iMac better. Some random thoughts:

- The Ads could be good for both Gateway and Apple (although I wouldn't do the ads if it were up to me): validate the AIO concept that it isn't just Gateway, position as "best" AIO for WinTel, as well as best performing AIO. Gives the iMac more visibility, though, and again, I wouldn't do this ad.

- The 17" iMac had 256MB RAM vs 512 for the Profile, an old even for the Mac IE, and as noted earlier, wasn't native format. Would be interesting to see results in native video format with 512MB RAM and 10.2.1....

- As for the tests themselves, for the market that they are going after, restarting the computer, browsing the internet, and watching games seems to be in line with what people do. Don't underestimate what people will believe, and WinTel users do a lot of re-booting in Win95/98 (target market is folks with older machines who probably haven't updated the OS. )

- The iMac _IS_ slower than it should be, IMO. The Profile has DDR RAM, a 533Mhz FSB, 7200RPM Hard Drive, so I would expect it to do better.... Plus IE on OS X is default and slow.

- Their specs in the $999 computer sound just fine for a person looking for a small footprint computer for email, internet access, and word processing where money is more important than features....

- I would expect a performance comparison / retort on apple.com in the not too distant future that uses AltiVec, 10.2, and maybe IE 5.2.1....
 
Cow Tipping!

Whose up for some cow tipping? C'mon, anybody with a local gateway store! We could all leave a bunch of tipped over cows in front of the store an hour before they open... haha that would be awesome
 
Re: Cow Tipping!

Originally posted by bobindashadows
Whose up for some cow tipping? C'mon, anybody with a local gateway store! We could all leave a bunch of tipped over cows in front of the store an hour before they open... haha that would be awesome

hahahaha! Beautiful! I'm in San Diego and Poway (GateLaid's headquarter location) is just up the road apiece! Let's go!
 
ProFukit 4

This is funny... I remember seeing an ad for a mouse in the back of a Macworld, it said: "We have to be crazy to design a product for less than 5% of the market share" Well, gateway must be moronic for pitting their product against a product with such a small market share...

Sure the hardware might be faster, but it's no good if all you can do is start up, open PDF's, and use java in IE...

I'm going to go to my local gateway store, and see the thing in person and ask some questions...

I like how they're using a design rejected by Apple, and are touting it as better... I almost laughed...

As for Apple's response, I believe that they won't say much about it, but if they do, it's either going to be all out war, or it's going to be a small, low-key commercial that says something to just shove it all right back up gateway's dairy-air...

Seriously, this is like ford saying "Our car has 4 wheels, and will beat the pants off of a BMW in the time it takes to change the tires, roll down the window, and re-fill the washer fluid... As for driving, uh, well... Did we mention you can refill the washer fluid faster?

I don't think Apple has much to worry about...
 
Going To Gateway

What would be some good questions we can ask when we go into a Gateway store to see this "horrid little thing" in person? I want to stump the sale people with real questions that are intelligent and make them think too. I know the iApps but what else? I want to make them think I'm looking at a PC and an iMac. Any ideas?
 
"So, without the DVD burner, do I have to give all my home movies to my friends and family on a couple thousand floppies?"

"Why can't the screen move more?"

"What else can it do faster than a Mac than open PDF's, startup, and use Java?"

"I don't worry about startup times with a Mac, because it doesn't crash, or need to be restarted as much. When I'm not using it, I just put it to sleep. Does windows startup faster because I should expect it to crash more?"

"Would it hurt me to use this computer if I'm lactocent tolerant (sp???)"

"Does it have built in wireless networking"

"Can it run Apache web server right out of the box?"

Just a few questions for the guys at the gateway stores :p
 
Let me just say that first of all, I agree, and the new Profile 4 looks like a piece of cow poop, and isn't all that exciting. I love my new iMac!

But...I think that Gateway isn't trying for that tech savvy market with their new campaign. I think it's more about getting the "switcher" to switch to Gateway, not Mac.

You probably know this type of person, my grandma is a prime example. She didn't grow up with computers, she needed to read the instructions on how to work the mouse (this is a fact). She doesn't understand all that technical mumbo-jumbo - she sees the side-by-side comparison table (put out by Gateway, of course) and it says they are the winner - she doesn't really know why. The dumb@$$ salesperson at Gateway will probably tell her that no one on Earth uses a Mac and since everyone uses Windows-based PCs, she should too. Jump on the crappy OS bandwagon! The only thing she wants it for is to e-mail her bridge club and make homemade birthday cards for her grandkids.

To get to the point - this is the type of person I think Gateway is targeting - the computer-illiterate person getting their feet in the water for the very first time. Sneaky and underhanded as it may be, they probably think they are getting away with something - if only they hadn't made such an ugly hunka junk that no one will buy.
 
Re: Going To Gateway

Originally posted by jaredbkt
What would be some good questions we can ask when we go into a Gateway store to see this "horrid little thing" in person? I want to stump the sale people with real questions that are intelligent and make them think too. I know the iApps but what else? I want to make them think I'm looking at a PC and an iMac. Any ideas?

Well, I walked into Gateway store today after reading this.

"Can I help you?"

"Yeah, I'm really a mac user, but I wanted to see this thing."

"Ok. Well just let us know if you have any questions"
The store salesperson hurried away and nobody in the store even glanced at me for 20 minutes - I was the only person in the store in the middle of a weekday afternoon!

Well, there I was live in person. A meek little mac user just waiting to be wowed. I wasn't threatening. But nobody dared try to convince me of the benefits of this thing over the imac.

Here's a good question... "Why in the hell does the top end without a dvd burner cost $2000 bucks?"

So after touching it, I can tell you that in no way does it rotate, tilt or move. It will tilt if you break the crappy plastic stand. Please don't mistake the stand for a hinge.

The CD drawer is flimsier than a laptop drawer and possibly smaller. The first PC user that tries to use it as a cupholder will surely break it.

The screen is cheap plastic, but big and nice. The mouse is a flimsy piece of plastic. It has a freakin floppy drive in the front. You'd think they'd give up on these things. That alone makes it look old.

It runs like a banshee. Lets not fool ourselves anymore. PCs are ridiculously snappier and faster than macs. Period. Done. End of story. My roommates 1.2 ghz win98 box is infinitely faster at simple tasks than an 800mhz imac running jaguar. Rendering and photoshop aside, surfing and using his computer is a delay-free process. There is no measurable time to open applications. That's what I want on a mac. Make it so number 1!

So I went immediately over to CompUSA and drooled over the dual gig which finally feels snappy. But I still see apps launch. There's still bouncing. But it sure felt better.

Let me say something else about the Gateway store. Ergonomics were better at compusa. Yep. There weren't any chairs at Gateway that I remember, but the desktop was around my knees! After 20minutes I had developed what felt like full blown carpet tunnel. Either the mouse, or the fact that I was hunching over to be level with the computer.

Bottom line, these machines are cheap. Apple thew their latest technology and ergonomic designs into the imac. Gateway put it's cheapest parts and some cheap plastic into a machine that is nothing more than a 17" non-titing and non-rotating screen with a drive on the front of it. Also, the speakers are cheap and locked in place. At least apple figured out that pulling the speakers away made for better sound.

It's trash. Extremely overpriced for the poorly designed piece of plastic it is. The picture was more impressive.
 
Originally posted by topicolo


it takes 20 seconds to boot up to a full working desktop in WinXP on my duron 700.

I did my laptop today. G4 400mhz. 10.1.5. From chime to completion of login to useable state (the desktop comes up a good 40 seconds before things are ready to go...) was around 4 minutes.
 
Originally posted by crossed-over
I just saw the ad this morning too. The screen does move, as you can tell from the gateway website. There's a little virtual product profile where you can spin the computer around and look at it... sound familiar?

This kinda reminds me of those guys who ran track in high school who wore all the fancy clothing and shoes and touted their skills, but when the race was finally over had finished last.

Pathetic Gateway. Pathetic.


A

The one in the store today didn't move. Not at all. I can't see why they would've locked it in place at the store, but it might be possible. It does not rotate for sure.
 
Well, I walked into Gateway store today after reading this.


Finally some first hand experience. I was kinda hoping it would look worse in person than in pictures.:D

Oh, and totally in agreement with you with being overpriced and under-quality. My aunt has one that they bought a few months ago for $1800, with a 1.7P4, 16x CD-RW and a 17" monitor (not even a flat screen for $1800!) and it just started acting funny a couple days ago

quote from her e-mail:This computer is going bonkers!!!!! And driving me crazeeeee!!
 
nice work

Nice work Gateway. Keep up the advertising: your only hurting yourself :)
 
Re: Thoughts on Gateway Profile...

Originally posted by jaguar451

- Their specs in the $999 computer sound just fine for a person looking for a small footprint computer for email, internet access, and word processing where money is more important than features....

Uh, the $999 model doesn't come with a modem... how is this fine for email and internet access? While I will grant that it does have ethernet, and therefore could be used with DSL/Cable, it's still cutting out a significant part of the low end users. (Willing to pay $30 more per month for internet access, but quibbling over a one time extra expense of a couple hundred dollars?)
 
Level the playing field...

Apple could revamp the $1299 iMac to hit the price point that Gateway is going for:

Replace 40GB harddrive with 20GB (-$50)
Replace CD-RW drive with CD-ROM drive (-$80)
Replace the G4 processor with a Celeron [or G3?] (-$100*)
Charge the consumer for shipping, rather than fit the bill (-$65)
Add a floppy drive, and several dated ports (+25*)
Remove all the iApps: iMovie~50, iDVD~50, iTunes~30, iPhoto~30 (-160*)
Remove AppleWorks (-60)
Include M$ Works Suite (if M$ made it for Mac) (+90)

Let's see... that's

$1299
-50
-80
-100
-65
+25
-160
-60
+90
= $899

Seems that Apple's Profile4-comparable iMac hit a pricepoint a full $100 less than Gateway's, after you level the playing field.

Now, if Apple were to go all the way, and actually build something comparable to the Profile, they'd also have to:
Replace the high-quality raw materials and workmanship with crap (priceless)
Replace the easy-glide monitor with one that's stuck (priceless)
Replace OS X with a sh**y monopoly-based OS (priceless)
Replace the sleek, sexy, beautiful design with... that ugly thing (priceless)

I think the Profile4 should feel pretty stupid jumping over and sticking its mediocre drive out at the iMac. I wonder what the sequal to the commercial would look like, after all the grandmas and high-school kids saw this even-comparison.

I think Apple can be safe to just sit back and laugh at the adds, because GATEWAY is the one making the comparisons to the obviously superior (and beautiful) iMac.


That's all.
Peace.

[#Johnny5]




*The prices that are asterisk-ed are estimates. All the other info are from Apple, Gateway and Buy.com, for M$ Works.
 
Re: Re: Going To Gateway

Originally posted by bretm

There is no measurable time to open applications.

I've never seen a computer that has no measureable time (exageration understood) to open apps. I've worked on 2 GHz PCs running everything from Win98 to WinXP, and I've always been able to notice time taken for apps to launch. Sometimes, with some apps, it seems like it's a matter of walking away while the app does what ever it does.

Now, I've seen this on Macs, too. I'm not saying that I don't want faster Macs, or that I think that PCs aren't faster at many things than Macs (though I have yet to do my own side-by-side comparison where I was satisfied that the models I was comparing were, by some reasonable definition, comparable). No, I'm just saying that I haven't seen such a stunning difference in hardware speed to say that the Mac is impossibly out dated. It's just a little behind, that's all.:D
 
Oh, and, for what it's worth, my 600MHz iBook (Late 2001), running OS X 10.1.5 (my copy of Jaguar hasn't arrived yet :) ) started up (from sound of the chime to the rising of the Dock) in 1 min 41 seconds. I look forward to seeing how 10.2 will change this.
 
Originally posted by bombensington
Let me just say that first of all, I agree, and the new Profile 4 looks like a piece of cow poop, and isn't all that exciting. I love my new iMac!

But...I think that Gateway isn't trying for that tech savvy market with their new campaign. I think it's more about getting the "switcher" to switch to Gateway, not Mac.

You probably know this type of person, my grandma is a prime example. She didn't grow up with computers, she needed to read the instructions on how to work the mouse (this is a fact). She doesn't understand all that technical mumbo-jumbo - she sees the side-by-side comparison table (put out by Gateway, of course) and it says they are the winner - she doesn't really know why. The dumb@$$ salesperson at Gateway will probably tell her that no one on Earth uses a Mac and since everyone uses Windows-based PCs, she should too. Jump on the crappy OS bandwagon! The only thing she wants it for is to e-mail her bridge club and make homemade birthday cards for her grandkids.

To get to the point - this is the type of person I think Gateway is targeting - the computer-illiterate person getting their feet in the water for the very first time. Sneaky and underhanded as it may be, they probably think they are getting away with something - if only they hadn't made such an ugly hunka junk that no one will buy.

Word ****ing UP!!!!! Dude you are so right on!
:D ;)
 
Gotta Gettaway not Gateway

Foolish mortals. The only ones that are being fooled here are the poor saps that are paying for these commercials.

Oh well, you know what they say, its better to burn out than to fade away.

POP ----- Silence

That was the sound of the Last Open Neon Sign in a Gateway Country Store.

Good bye Gateway, you won't be missed.
 
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