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Septembersrain, brilliant response lol and agree with it. Funny this particular individual is asking for specifics but does not have an opinion or just ignoring the topic regarding Geekbench Results Visualize Possible Link Between iPhone Slowdowns and Degraded Batteries.

I always felt that the comparison between last years vs current model running latest os was not fair, as it always showed the new model running smooth, which is misleading.
They all start out running smooth. The issue is why they start degrading and the transparency Apple isn't showing as to why.

If they told us that they could possibly throttle the CPU due to battery degradation, that would upset people but it would be fair.

Instead they say nothing and know that most would not equate the device slowing down to the battery. Thus ending up buying a whole new phone. It's even more shady when they'd deny you a replacement, that you pay yourself, because it'll pass their test. That would leave one thinking "My battery test passed, must not be that!" and once again come to the conclusion that they need to purchase a new phone.

I can't say I'm surprised, they didn't tell people the truth about how the Qualcomm X16 technically has the capabilities of gigabit LTE (Not necessarily gigabit speeds but improved speeds and signal especially in previously bad areas) but Apple neutered it...
 
Apple addresses why people are saying their iPhones with older batteries are running ‘slower’

https://techcrunch.com/2017/12/20/a...-older-batteries-are-running-slower/?ncid=rss

“Our goal is to deliver the best experience for customers, which includes overall performance and prolonging the life of their devices. Lithium-ion batteries become less capable of supplying peak current demands when in cold conditions, have a low battery charge or as they age over time, which can result in the device unexpectedly shutting down to protect its electronic components.

Last year we released a feature for iPhone 6, iPhone 6s and iPhone SE to smooth out the instantaneous peaks only when needed to prevent the device from unexpectedly shutting down during these conditions. We’ve now extended that feature to iPhone 7 with iOS 11.2, and plan to add support for other products in the future.”

Wow, okay, they admitted that they added this feature with 11.2 to affect the 7. What this basically says is that a year-old 7 doesn't have a battery capable of sustaining the high performance it did when it was new. That's... kind of *********?
 
Wow, okay, they admitted that they added this feature with 11.2 to affect the 7. What this basically says is that a year-old 7 doesn't have a battery capable of sustaining the high performance it did when it was new. That's... kind of ********?
It's not surprising. Did we think they were using some amazing new battery technology? I didn't. I figured they were the same batteries you can buy off eBay from China.

Now are they going to let you replace your battery if the CPU is getting throttled? Even if it's not under 80% capacity?

Are they going to give a pop up warning informing us that our CPU is being throttled?

We knew they were doing this, I'd like to see how they deal with it.
 
Wow, okay, they admitted that they added this feature with 11.2 to affect the 7. What this basically says is that a year-old 7 doesn't have a battery capable of sustaining the high performance it did when it was new. That's... kind of ********?

What I think Apple should do is just like Blackberry by only providing security updates for older devices. Having said that, Blackberry only supports for two years, which is frankly ridiculous if you spent a lot on a phone!

Can you imagine how the people who bought the iPhone X for £1000+ Will feel a year later lol They will continue to support this nonsense.
 
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Also of note: Apple stopped signing 11.1 4 days ago, AND 11.1 was the version that had the December 1st crashing bug.
 
Apple finally commented and confirmed the throttling "theory":
https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/20/16800058/apple-iphone-slow-fix-battery-life-capacity

"Our goal is to deliver the best experience for customers, which includes overall performance and prolonging the life of their devices. Lithium-ion batteries become less capable of supplying peak current demands when in cold conditions, have a low battery charge or as they age over time, which can result in the device unexpectedly shutting down to protect its electronic components.
Last year we released a feature for iPhone 6, iPhone 6s and iPhone SE to smooth out the instantaneous peaks only when needed to prevent the device from unexpectedly shutting down during these conditions. We’ve now extended that feature to iPhone 7 with iOS 11.2, and plan to add support for other products in the future."

LOL! They plan to add the throttling "feature" to the iPhone X and 8 in the future!
 
It will never be completed confirmed, but it's proof enough for anyone with a brain.
And yet still not how actual proofs work. But I see we are quickly down the path of ad hominem arguments, so sounds like there really wasn't much to it all to begin with.
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I enjoy most of your posts when I realize you're a person of logic, and not personal attacks.

So, serious question: how would "proof" be defined to you? (Not just on the topic at hand)

*edit: Did you block me? :D Lol, you're funny.
What's with blocking now? :confused:
 
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I really wonder if what you describe as a 'snail' is what I am describing as 'just fine' on my iphone 6.

I would imagine that if I also had a iphone 7, I may describe my 6 as a snail. However, my 6 with iOS 11.2.1 doesn't feel any slower than I remember it being in iOS10.

Can you compare GB4 scores on your two iphone 6's?

Nope. See my post here with the actual numbers of just how slow apps are to load - leaving them loaded after opening for the first time results in small improvements, and yet it's still a snail. Once a random app gets pushed out of RAM by more memory intensive apps then the load times will slow down over time.

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ar-level-merged.2094218/page-28#post-25607771

The other phone is in another city with my daughter who has no desire to load geeckbench, but it won't matter because the bad phone has normal geek bench scores and CPU speed. Not likely her's with new battery, that runs great on 10.3.3 is throttled.
 
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interesting how you justified it. The problem is, apple could turn off functionality in future iOS updates, and you would be okay with it. Not all consumers feel that way, some ware more worried about their consumer rights than apple profits.

Turning off a service, to push users to an iOS version that cripples their units, is not okay.

I try to see things in their entirety, so it’s not always a “me vs Apple” scenario. Perhaps I just don’t feel passionately enough about this whole issue given that I don’t really use FaceTime and I generally install any Apple updates the instance they become available.

I do feel there is a lot more nuance to the whole FaceTime issue than just Apple forcing people to upgrade. At any rate, I don’t think the lawsuit will go anywhere, but we will see.
 
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What's with blocking now? :confused:
Sorry, I jumped the gun :confused: I didn't get a response from another question I asked you and made a mistake thinking you were ignoring me. It's okay. Sorry about that :confused:
 
Wow, okay, they admitted that they added this feature with 11.2 to affect the 7. What this basically says is that a year-old 7 doesn't have a battery capable of sustaining the high performance it did when it was new. That's... kind of *******?
That’s not at all what that means but I’m interested in this ******** you speak of.
 
I try to see things in their entirety, so it’s not always a “me vs Apple” scenario. Perhaps I just don’t feel passionately enough about this whole issue given that I don’t really use FaceTime and I generally install any Apple updates the instance they become available.

I do feel there is a lot more nuance to the whole FaceTime issue than just Apple forcing people to upgrade. At any rate, I don’t think the lawsuit will go anywhere, but we will see.

Though as a consumer, don't you think that you don't need to look at this through the companies side? Where I live we have very strong consumer protection Laws, and that is a good thing, cause companies need to be kept honest, and support their product for x years. Only people who should be seeing it from apple's side are shareholders .

The lawsuit going places is for our benefit. So I hope it does. I give apple plenty of money, I also expect them to be kept in check..... and its lawsuits like this. Also things like battery replacements, or any recalls , only come around after lots of users pushing for lawsuits, what you will find is that apple does not acknowledge an issue and initiates a repair program, the repair program only kicks off after an issue gains enough tracking and starts picking up media attention, until such point even if blatant, apple denies it. Please research some of the bigger repair programmes and see how much fighting it took from apple to take action.......
 
Though as a consumer, don't you think that you don't need to look at this through the companies side? Where I live we have very strong consumer protection Laws, and that is a good thing, cause companies need to be kept honest, and support their product for x years. Only people who should be seeing it from apple's side are shareholders .

The lawsuit going places is for our benefit. So I hope it does. I give apple plenty of money, I also expect them to be kept in check..... and its lawsuits like this. Also things like battery replacements, or any recalls , only come around after lots of users pushing for lawsuits, what you will find is that apple does not acknowledge an issue and initiates a repair program, the repair program only kicks off after an issue gains enough tracking and starts picking up media attention, until such point even if blatant, apple denies it. Please research some of the bigger repair programmes and see how much fighting it took from apple to take action.......
Well, for the record, I don't own any Apple stock nor do I have any vested interests in Apple. I guess my favourable impression of Apple overall is due my largely positive experiences with them. I have never needed to have my devices recalled, and the 3 times I needed my devices serviced due to hardware failure, Apple replaced them right off the bat. No questions asked.

I agree that all other things equal, of course I as a consumer would want maximum bang for the buck. Why would I say no to cheaper hardware or free 3-year warranty? That said, if we look at it from Apple's perspective, I do feel that there is only so much they can realistically do to address this issue.

Thanks to their design ethos, Apple likes unibody designs which entails sealing the batteries in. While it is nevertheless possible to crack open your iPhone and replace the battery yourself, it's not going to be as easy and straightforward as prying open the back cover and swapping out the battery, so that limits the number of people who can reasonably carry this out on their own.

Second, Apple easily sells hundreds of millions of iPhones every year. Can you imagine the chaos if once a year, everyone started converging at their local apple stores to have their batteries replaced? Not to mention the waste that would result once everyone is done.

To put it simply, Apple was faced with a decision to make between battery life and performance, and they chose to prioritise battery life over performance. And clearly, regardless of which decision Apple made, there would be unhappy users, which is why Apple doesn't inform their users of this. I would refer you back to a statement made by Steve Jobs during his D10 interview (since so many here evidently love quoting him so much) about how Apple users pay Apple to make the tough decisions for them so that they don't have to. And if you like the decisions made by Apple, you continue to show your support by purchasing their products. And if you didn't, you voted with your wallet by not buying their products.

From Apple's perspective, simplicity is not having to over-inundate the user with an endless array of buttons and toggles. While I do understand the frustration of many of the posters here, I just don't see a case for a lawsuit, nor am I sure what sort of payout you are expecting. One free replacement battery per user? This matter is different from the other aforementioned cases you brought up. The issue of the iPhone 6s with defective batteries was confined to a limited batch which has since been addressed. Apple throttling your devices via a software patch is by no means admitting that their devices are faulty. It's simply them acknowledging that lithium batteries do wear out over time, and this is their way of managing it for the end user.

Likewise, looking at an issue solely from the consumer's perspective is equally limiting, because what you want done as an individual may not be what Apple can feasibly implement on their end when you consider that there are hundreds of millions of other users like yourself. To use an analogy, it's easy for one person to cook a bowl of instant noodles and garnish it to your own individual preference. It's not possible, from Apple's perspective, to prepare 200 million bowls of noddles and garnish them to each individual's unique tastes and preferences.
 
Well, for the record, I don't own any Apple stock nor do I have any vested interests in Apple. I guess my favourable impression of Apple overall is due my largely positive experiences with them. I have never needed to have my devices recalled, and the 3 times I needed my devices serviced due to hardware failure, Apple replaced them right off the bat. No questions asked.

I agree that all other things equal, of course I as a consumer would want maximum bang for the buck. Why would I say no to cheaper hardware or free 3-year warranty? That said, if we look at it from Apple's perspective, I do feel that there is only so much they can realistically do to address this issue.

Thanks to their design ethos, Apple likes unibody designs which entails sealing the batteries in. While it is nevertheless possible to crack open your iPhone and replace the battery yourself, it's not going to be as easy and straightforward as prying open the back cover and swapping out the battery, so that limits the number of people who can reasonably carry this out on their own.

Second, Apple easily sells hundreds of millions of iPhones every year. Can you imagine the chaos if once a year, everyone started converging at their local apple stores to have their batteries replaced? Not to mention the waste that would result once everyone is done.

To put it simply, Apple was faced with a decision to make between battery life and performance, and they chose to prioritise battery life over performance. And clearly, regardless of which decision Apple made, there would be unhappy users, which is why Apple doesn't inform their users of this. I would refer you back to a statement made by Steve Jobs during his D10 interview (since so many here evidently love quoting him so much) about how Apple users pay Apple to make the tough decisions for them so that they don't have to. And if you like the decisions made by Apple, you continue to show your support by purchasing their products. And if you didn't, you voted with your wallet by not buying their products.

From Apple's perspective, simplicity is not having to over-inundate the user with an endless array of buttons and toggles. While I do understand the frustration of many of the posters here, I just don't see a case for a lawsuit, nor am I sure what sort of payout you are expecting. One free replacement battery per user? This matter is different from the other aforementioned cases you brought up. The issue of the iPhone 6s with defective batteries was confined to a limited batch which has since been addressed. Apple throttling your devices via a software patch is by no means admitting that their devices are faulty. It's simply them acknowledging that lithium batteries do wear out over time, and this is their way of managing it for the end user.

Likewise, looking at an issue solely from the consumer's perspective is equally limiting, because what you want done as an individual may not be what Apple can feasibly implement on their end when you consider that there are hundreds of millions of other users like yourself. To use an analogy, it's easy for one person to cook a bowl of instant noodles and garnish it to your own individual preference. It's not possible, from Apple's perspective, to prepare 200 million bowls of noddles and garnish them to each individual's unique tastes and preferences.

Ill leave it on this note, with jobs at the helm, I trusted Apple to make the decisions for the consumer, and that is what the consumer was paying for. With Cook, its all about the money, the UX is already dropping of fast, and the consumer is just expected to pay more and more, I no longer feel apple is making the decisions that are a good compromise of what the consumer needs and profit for apple, I feel its just all profit centred, so this is why something like that, I have trust issues with. Jobs was all about the customer experience, which you paid for, Cook is all about profit, and comprising the user experience in my opinion. This move smells of Cook's apple, so I don't agree with jobs quotes.....now that jobs is gone, different apple. Becoming another Sony.....
 
Well, my stand in this issue all along has been that Apple's sin was (1) not informing us about the "power management feature", which kept phones from shutting down suddenly but also slowed phones down, and (2) refusing to acknowledge that if the battery was worn enough to throttle the CPU then it was worn enough to replace it under std or AC warranty.

They keep telling people who come in with complaints of either short battery life or slow performance that their battery checks out and is above 80%, while the throttling starts at battery capacity levels well above 80%.

I don't know about any lawsuit people mention above, but does there really need to be one to get Apple to do the right thing and (1) to either use better quality batteries that can really perform to spec through the warranty period, or (2) to agree to replace these said batteries when they can no longer support the advertised specs of the phone during the warranty period.

PS: lowering peak drain on weak and old batteries to prevent shutdowns and extend runtime does make sense, but not at the expense of transparency.
 
Well, my stand in this issue all along has been that Apple's sin was (1) not informing us about the "power management feature", which kept phones from shutting down suddenly but also slowed phones down, and (2) refusing to acknowledge that if the battery was worn enough to throttle the CPU then it was worn enough to replace it under std or AC warranty.

They keep telling people who come in with complaints of either short battery life or slow performance that their battery checks out and is above 80%, while the throttling starts at battery capacity levels well above 80%.

I don't know about any lawsuit people mention above, but does there really need to be one to get Apple to do the right thing and (1) to either use better quality batteries that can really perform to spec through the warranty period, or (2) to agree to replace these said batteries when they can no longer support the advertised specs of the phone during the warranty period.

PS: lowering peak drain on weak and old batteries to prevent shutdowns and extend runtime does make sense, but not at the expense of transparency.

My guess is that Apple will likely just issue an update which includes a pop up informing users of this, plus a toggle somewhere in the settings menu.
 
Ill leave it on this note, with jobs at the helm, I trusted Apple to make the decisions for the consumer, and that is what the consumer was paying for. With Cook, its all about the money, the UX is already dropping of fast, and the consumer is just expected to pay more and more, I no longer feel apple is making the decisions that are a good compromise of what the consumer needs and profit for apple, I feel its just all profit centred, so this is why something like that, I have trust issues with. Jobs was all about the customer experience, which you paid for, Cook is all about profit, and comprising the user experience in my opinion. This move smells of Cook's apple, so I don't agree with jobs quotes.....now that jobs is gone, different apple. Becoming another Sony.....
Ill leave it at antennagate that was the start of Apple becoming another Sony. Remember Jobs trained Cook.
 
Ill leave it at antennagate that was the start of Apple becoming another Sony. Remember Jobs trained Cook.

Not sure about trained, Jobs was a product / marketing person, Cook is hopeless in that role. What Cook is good at, is running an established company. He was the safest best to continue the status quo and milk the existing product line up to maintain and improve profits, his strength. If you look at the other execs......Cooks appointment makes sense. Cue, ives, Shiller....that would be a disaster. Craig Federighi is the only live beat left in the keynotes, but he is not the right person to lead apple. Cook it is.
 
When does thr throttling begin? My battery is at 90 pct. and I am throlled.
It begins when it begins. These faulty batteries can start to cut out before dropping under 80% wear level. If your phone is throttling at only 90% wear, then good luck in getting Apple to replace the battery before it drops under 80%...
 
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