That's not support if your device runs at half speed after 2 years.
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Except you have no proof the battery problems are due to normal wear and tear usage. It is very highly probable that the problems are that some iPhone 6/6s batteries have manufacturing defects, due to the fact Apple recalled a small batch of those batteries already. That deserves a recall and free battery swap, not some software cheat.
We've already covered that all too well, let's not go in unnecessary circles. (The beating around the bush certainly doesn't happen from my side of things.)
That iDevice has been throttled to half speed by their support. What good are updates if the processor is going to slow down every couple of years.
I'm interested in your thoughts on why there are a very large portion of users prefering to stay on iOS 10, even tho there are updates available and that those updates are free.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apple-says-ios-11-is-installed-on-52-of-devices.2086164/
My hypothesis is that people are learning the tricks Apple do (slowing down their device and forcing a hardware upgrade).
The more recent numbers show that it's about a third of the users that are on iOS 10 at this point. And while it's a portion, it's not what would be described as a "very large" portion. And while iOS 11 adoption is behind some adoption numbers, they aren't significantly behind to really indicate something in particular.
The reasoning for it all can certainly range as well, from the kind of things that you mentioned, to potentially people wishing to be able to use 32-bit apps, to perhaps more people having devices that aren't compatible with iOS 11, to various people not finding enough new or compelling things in iOS 11 that appeal to them to update, to some other possibilities.
As mentioned before, my 6S is slower than my 6 with a battery that is 13 month old.
In my opinion this is not acceptable, if this happened after 24 month and there was a warning to indicate the throttled CPU, I would be ok with it.
In my opinion this is not acceptable, if this happened after 24 month and there was a warning to indicate the throttled CPU, I would be ok with it.
That is different than apple providing o/s updates/upgrades for 5 years for iphones.
Support= Not just OS updates. Thats only part of support. There are also other aspects which must be considered. Proper customer service like replacing a defective battery for free as an example and also standing behind the hardware inside the phone
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Not to mention the throttling isnt in line with the wear. A battery with 90% health merits throttling the CPU by half?
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I dont think Apple has devices incompatible with iOS 11 in that chart.
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The adoption rates are very low for an update which auto downloads on the device in a matter of weeks. 30% of users are jumping through hoops to dodge the update. Thats not a good feedback fopr software quality. If Apple allowed dwongrades, I bet that number will be even lower
My 6 Plus, which I use around the house and yard as an iPod, is barely usable.
Yes. Support most unequivocally is 5 years. I personally have not had any issue with apples customer service which is completely different than the supported life span of the device. Since we’re now playing with words.
The iOS data is meaningless without a corresponding one for the devices in use. My Dad's using a 5c. He can't install iOS 11 on that even though it's less than 5 years old. People in the UK are holding onto devices for longer. Can't comment on the rest of the planet.
That is all certainly a spin that can be put on things to fit a narrative.
My son's iPad air is slow as f. Will it be faster if had the battery replaced?
You should first check if your Geekbench score is lower than it should be.
THIS IS EXACTLY MY EXPERIENCE WITH MY IPHONE 6. I THINK I7guy should swap phones with one of us, and also see how he likes being on the crap side of Apple's poor app launch speed due to lack of optimization of iOS 11 for older devices like the 6 (or iPad mini 4 which isn't quite as bad as my 6).
Poor launch speed on older devices with newer iOS updates is another big issue that I brought up here (that's off topic in this thread), in addition to the throttling the CPU with defective batteries and refusing to replace them while still under warranty if they're over 80% capacity. Combine the poor launch speed with a worn battery that these older devices often have, and the problem is multiplied.
IF THE BATTERY IS BAD ENOUGH TO THROTTLE THE CPU THEN IT'S BAD ENOUGH TO REPLACE UNDER APPLECARE. PERIOD.
This spring my teenage son's iPhone 6 was at 82% capacity at the end of the 2 year AppleCare, and the Apple Genius and manager refused to do anything about it, even though said genius could watch the battery meter drop 1% every 3 minutes as I showed him the phone. n iOS 10.x.x it was also sluggish, and he told me to go home and restore the phone and set it up as new and see if the problem went away.
We did that, and it only helped very slightly. He'd unplug the phone at 7AM and have to charge it again by 2-3PM. My son lost all of his iMessage and call log history in the process. Not knowing about the throttling, my son broke down and went out and bought an iPhone 7 when his sister broke her phone the next month, and he gave his old 6 to me so that I could give his sister my personal Phone 6 (I had a 7+ as well, so my spare phone could be slow with poor battery life).
After restoring my backup to his old 6 I thought it was awful and was ready to part it out. Instead I went to Batteries+Bulbs and got a new battery, and voila! his old 6 (now mine) ran like a new phone on iOS 10! I was quite happy with it on iOS 10.2.x through 10.3.3. The new battery still tests at 100% capacity.
Having fixed the iPhone 6 speed and battery life by simply installing a new battery, then came iOS 11. It ran so well on my iPhone 7+, and was certified for the 5s and up, so I did the update through my own dam fault, and the iPhone turned into a slug again. I have wiped and restored the phone many times, and run benchmarks that show it's CPU is "performing" as expected, and yet the software and GUI lags, and launch speed is so bad that the phone is still barely useable. It was so bad that I broke down and bought an iPhone X to replace it.
It did slightly improve with subsequent iTunes restores in DFU mode over the past month, but I'm only using it as a 128GB iPod in my car, as it's not good for anything else. After rebooting the device, the first launch of a built-in iOS app takes ages, as follows, which is hard to believe that these times are better than before restoring the phone:
7 seconds to load Contacts
3 seconds to load Calendar
6 seconds to load or Maps
5 seconds to load for Photos
4 seconds to load for Settings
7 seconds to load for Notes
6 seconds to load Reminders
20 seconds to load TV and have it list my library upon opening
8 seconds to load Music and have it list my library upon loading
5 seconds for FaceTime to open and show my list of audio calls
3 seconds to load Camera
3 seconds to load Messages
3 seconds to load Mail
8 seconds to finish loading App Store
8 seconds to finish loading iTunes store
17 seconds for Safari to open and start to start loading Macrumors.com
22 seconds before Safari is done loading Macrumors.com
If I load these apps a second time in the same order, without quitting them after loading them as above, they are slightly faster - but the launch speed is still unacceptable for most apps at 2-7 seconds for most of them (and three at 9-11 seconds). Most of those apps loaded in 1-2 seconds on iOS 10.3.3 and now this is what I get, and I can't get it to go any faster:
3 seconds to load Contacts (4 sec faster)
2 seconds to load Calendar (1 sec faster)
6 seconds to load or Maps (same)
3 seconds to load for Photos (2 sec faster)
5 seconds to load for Settings (1 sec faster)
5 seconds to load for Notes (2 sec faster)
4 seconds to load Reminders (2 sec faster)
11 seconds to load TV and have it list my library upon opening (9 sec faster)
6 seconds to load Music and have it list my library upon loading (2 sec faster)
2 seconds for FaceTime to open and show my list of audio calls (3 sec faster)
2 seconds to load Camera (1 sec faster)
2 seconds to load Messages (1 sec faster)
2 seconds to load Mail (1 sec faster)
2 seconds to finish loading App Store (6 sec faster)
7 seconds to finish loading iTunes store (1 sec faster)
9 seconds for Safari to open and start to start loading Macrumors.com (8 sec faster)
11 seconds before Safari is done loading Macrumors.com (11sec faster)
IF YOU PUSH UPDATES TO AN OLDER DEVICE YOU DAM WELL BETTER MAKE SURE IT CAN AT LEAST LAUNCH APPS AS QUICK AS BEFORE AND REMAIN RESPONSIVE AND USEFUL.
As confirmed by the Geekbench Scores, the iPhone 6 will sort, compile, or calculate just as fast as before iOS 11, but it's responsiveness in tasks of daily life is abysmal when you aren't using just one app but have to jump back and forth between apps to do things.
[doublepost=1513544314][/doublepost]ADDENDUM: After I ran geekBench today as above, most of the launch times for apps that I'd previously loaded but had not quit slowed down by 1 second as they were pushed out of RAM, although some launch times were the same, and a couple of load times increased by 4 seconds.
4 seconds to load Contacts (1 sec slower)
2 seconds to load Calendar (same)
6 seconds to load or Maps (same)
4 seconds to load for Photos (1 sec slower)
5 seconds to load for Settings (same)
6 seconds to load for Notes (1 sec slower)
3 seconds to load Reminders (1 sec faster)
15 seconds to load TV and have it list my library upon opening (4 sec slower)
6 seconds to load Music and have it list my library upon loading (same)
3 seconds for FaceTime to open and show my list of audio calls (1 sec slower)
2 seconds to load Camera (same)
3 seconds to load Messages (1 sec slower)
1 seconds to load Mail (1 sec faster)
5 seconds to finish loading App Store (3 sec slower)
6 seconds to finish loading iTunes store (1 sec faster)
10 seconds for Safari to open and start to start loading Macrumors.com (1 sec slower)
12 seconds before Safari is done loading Macrumors.com (1 sec slower)
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Run a Geekbench score and check it out but judging by the age of your device Apple is most likely throttling it.
There is no reason to suspect Apple is throttling it. Most likely it's just an old device struggling to cope with cutting edge technology found in the latest versions of iOS.
Why update the iPad to a cutting edge version of iOS when it’s going to struggle to run it? And even if Apple does it, how about offering the user an option to downgrade to less cutting edge versions so the device is usable?
Tell me about it, they drive me nuts with the constant update badges and messages.
And now that I upgraded a few of my ipads to ios 11 I keep getting notifications to input my credit card info and finish setting up Apple pay.
Like Im going to go around with my ipad air and use it to shop at stores. And since I dont want to set it up I get constant reminders to do it without an option to turn that nagging off.
But off course Apple makes lots of money when people use Apple Pay so they will keep pushing those reminders but not when the battery dies.
Not surprised...
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There's plenty of reasons to suspect Apple is throttling it.
Because that's what they been caught doing.
So double check before you trust a greedy multi-billion dollar company
Tell me about it, they drive me nuts with the constant update badges and messages.
And now that I upgraded a few of my ipads to ios 11 I keep getting notifications to input my credit card info and finish setting up Apple pay.
Like Im going to go around with my ipad air and use it to shop at stores. And since I dont want to set it up I get constant reminders to do it without an option to turn that nagging off.
But off course Apple makes lots of money when people use Apple Pay so they will keep pushing those reminders but not when the battery dies.
Not surprised...
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There's plenty of reasons to suspect Apple is throttling it.
Because that's what they been caught doing.
So double check before you trust a greedy multi-billion dollar company
I installed a tvOS beta profile to get rid of the nagging update message and auto downloads on my iPad Pro. But now I have to deal with that red badge on settings forever. Apple’s update prompts remind me of the old school smiley toolbar prompts on websites back in the day. They are very aggressive and intrusive. Honestly 30% ios 10 marketshare is pretty damn large considering how many times the update auto downloads itself if you don’t install this profile.
If only they were this aggressive and forthcoming about throttling...
Tell me about it.
iOS 11 keeps downloading itself again over wifi and keeps asking me and if I accidentally hit the wrong button with those constant pop ups then Im done.
I gotta keep deleting the update etc..
And I dont feel like jumping through 100 hoops to install that TvOS file, that's nonsense that we have to put so much work in order NOT to update.
Like Im fine with iOS 10.3.2 Apple, I should be able to decide to stay on older firmware version without the constant nagging. You're becoming worst than my mother in law
lolLeave me alone.
That doesn’t explain the situation where users see an immediate and significant performance improvement as soon as the battery is replaced. There are several accounts of this in this thread.
It's a few taps to install a profile. Less than it takes to write a post about not wanting updates but at the same time not willing to go through a fairly simple workaround to avoid them.Tell me about it.
iOS 11 keeps downloading itself again over wifi and keeps asking me and if I accidentally hit the wrong button with those constant pop ups then Im done.
I gotta keep deleting the update etc..
And I dont feel like jumping through 100 hoops to install that TvOS file, that's nonsense that we have to put so much work in order NOT to update.
Like Im fine with iOS 10.3.2 Apple, I should be able to decide to stay on older firmware version without the constant nagging. You're becoming worst than my mother in law
Leave me alone.
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I don't use Apple Pay and aside from one instance of going through the setup wizard for it to select that I don't want to use it, and a quick check of Apple Pay related options in settings to disable any that might not have been, I haven't had to deal with it or see any reminders or anything like that.Tell me about it, they drive me nuts with the constant update badges and messages.
And now that I upgraded a few of my ipads to ios 11 I keep getting notifications to input my credit card info and finish setting up Apple pay.
Like Im going to go around with my ipad air and use it to shop at stores. And since I dont want to set it up I get constant reminders to do it without an option to turn that nagging off.
But off course Apple makes lots of money when people use Apple Pay so they will keep pushing those reminders but not when the battery dies.
Not surprised...
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There's plenty of reasons to suspect Apple is throttling it.
Because that's what they been caught doing.
So double check before you trust a greedy multi-billion dollar company