Gene Munster Predicts Apple Will Eventually Earn More From AirPods Than Apple Watch

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    Despite selling for $159, considerably less than the Apple Watch at between $269 and $1,499, longtime Apple analyst turned venture capitalist Gene Munster believes AirPods will be "bigger than the Apple Watch" over the next decade.

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    Munster predicts that AirPods will contribute "about the same amount of revenue" to Apple's pocket as the Apple Watch by the company's 2022 fiscal year. He also predicts that AirPods will have an average price of $200 by then, as the product shifts towards what he calls "augmented audio."
    Apple doesn't disclose AirPods or Apple Watch sales in its quarterly earnings results. Both products are instead grouped into its "Other Products" category, alongside sales of iPods, Apple TVs, Beats products, and accessories. Any revenue or sales numbers that circulate around are purely estimates.

    Apple reported $2.87 billion revenue from "Other Products" last quarter, a 31 percent increase from $2.18 billion in the year-ago quarter.

    Early last month, Apple CEO Tim Cook said the response to AirPods has been "great," with the wireless earphones remaining hard to come by.

    "Demand for AirPods significantly exceeds supply, and growth in Beats products has also been very strong," said Cook. "In fact, when we combine Apple Watch, AirPods, and Beats headphones, our revenues from wearable products in the last four quarters was the size of a Fortune 500 company."

    Despite launching over six months ago, AirPods continue to have a 6-week shipping estimate for orders placed on Apple's website. Some third-party resellers have occasionally had them in stock with earlier delivery.

    Apple analyst Neil Cybart recently said Apple is "underpricing" the Apple Watch and AirPods in an effort to bring new users into its ecosystem. He said this pricing strategy was "unimaginable" ten years ago, when Apple was often accused of pricing products artificially high--aka the so-called "Apple Tax."

    Cybart said a strong case could have been made for Apple to price AirPods at $249, or even $299. By selling them for $159, he thinks Apple has "removed all available oxygen from the wireless headphone space," and forced other wireless headphone makers to cut their own prices in order to remain competitive.

    AirPods have been well received by early adopters, achieving a 98 percent customer satisfaction rate in a recent survey conducted by Experian and market research firm Creative Strategies.

    Article Link: Gene Munster Predicts Apple Will Eventually Earn More From AirPods Than Apple Watch
     
  2. xkmxkmxlmx macrumors 6502a

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    Except for the large amount of people that can't wear them because of their uncomfortable design. If they eventually offer different designs, it could be huge.
     
  3. Kaibelf macrumors 68020

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    Makes sense as they are more general use and despite how much people enjoy their watches, they have a less universal use case.
     
  4. William Gates macrumors 6502

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    I have AirPods and they are awesome. But to go against what Munster is saying, the AirPods have encouraged me more than anything else to get an Apple Watch. I've had/am having a tough time waiting for series 3 this fall, but I'll be one of the first to preorder.
     
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    Wow, that's crazy, I can't see that happening, but who knows, I've been wrong before :)
     
  6. omihek macrumors 6502

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    Seriously how can I get a job doing what these analysts do? We predict the iPod Touch will come in 7 colors next year! Apple will almost definitely maybe probably not make an Apple Television like we've all been saying for the last 10 years! The new Apple Car will feature CarPlay! Ok now pay me $120,000 a year.
     
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    I am waiting for black AirPods. Give me black AirPods Apple. Now.
     
  8. wizard macrumors 68040

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    Revenue ought to exceed the watches in a year or less. AirPods serve an entirely different market that is much larger than the watch market.

    The only possible catch here is what will happen with the Watch when sub 7nm processes are shipping. When that happens one will be able to pack an incredible amount of functionality into a watch and not suffer battery problems.
     
  9. terrywfoster macrumors 6502

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    If they are shaped like the ones that comes in the iPhone box I'm out of luck. Those do not fit my ears and constantly fall out.
     
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    If they increase their marketing dollars behind them, I agree.
     
  11. carlhancock macrumors newbie

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    Out of curiosity have you actually used the AirPods for any length of time?

    I own a ton of headphones and I absolutely hate earbuds because they hurt my ears. Sitting next to me right now in my office are a pair of Seinnheiser open back w/amp, a pair of Master & Dynamics, a pair of Sony MDR-1000X (my airplane headphones), and a pair of Audio-Technica's w/amp. All over ear headphones because earbuds kill my ears.

    But do you know what I use all day here at my office? The AirPods. Why? Because I can wear them all day long and not even notice they are in my ears.

    Everyone has different ears. But i've found the AirPods to be the most comfortable headphones i've ever used. They can't beat any of the over ear headphones I have for pure audio quality, but they don't need to. For all day use while sitting at my desk, talking on my phone, etc. the comfort they provide me outweighs the audiophile audio quality of my other headphones that I own.

    I still use my other headphones. I just can't wear them all day long like I can the AirPods. My ears would be numb. The AirPods I will literally forget they are in my ears while going about my daily routine at work.
     
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    Makes me wonder what advancements will AirPods 2 bring -excluding better battery life-.
     
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    Great points but both the AirPods and Apple Watch are introduced to be Apple's answer to making tech more personal. My intuition says that the Augmented Audio experience will come to both the Watch and AirPods with equal force (one after the other, per Apple's standards of implementation). I have had over 25 ear surgeries due to an inner-ear tumor that has left me without an ear drum and deaf in my right ear (with the exception to conductive hearing via the bone which transmits a muffled version of what I'm hearing over to my good ear...) Those surgeries have altered the shape of my ear in a way that makes it impossible for me to wear Ear/AirPods as they're normally seen. I have to wear the EarPods upside-down and wrapped around the backs of my ears for them to stay in, which they do 90% of the time. Not fun.
    I would love to see a design alteration that allows for non-traditional ear shapes!
     
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    The apple watch needs a redesign. I want to love it, but get turned off by the stubby design (thick body, bezels). I put one on, it feels premium but I then check out the samsung and others which look a lot better to me.

    I really feel apple should have a longer thinner screen like the samsung gear fit s. Will it happen? Probably not, but one can dream.
     
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    I predict AirPods sales will be larger than Mac sales... Creative Pros are now abandoning Apple in favor of Adobe running on cheaper Windows boxes... 9 out of the last 10 large agencies I have freelanced for in the NYC area have switched to PC.
     
  16. shaunp macrumors 68000

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    Interesting analysis there. I have to disagree however. I've yet to see a single person wearing them in London, and rush hour here isn't exactly deprived of people wearing headphones. The other issue they have to get around is you look like a t**t wearing them.
     
  17. polterbyte macrumors 6502

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    Well, first they have to start selling them, of course. And in order to sell, them, they have to have them in stock. As soon as they figure out the apparent rocket science behind that logistic conundrum, it's possible it will sell very well. But until then, this is just an exercise in imagination, I believe.
     
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    I would really have a hard time buying AirPods for $249 or $299. For that price they'd better be waterproof, noise cancelling, have an extremely long battery life, and sound twice as good as the AirPods do now. On the flip side, at that price they'd be more readily available.
     
  19. robjulo macrumors 65816

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    He might be right. Every time I go into the Apple store it seems like there is a force field keeping people away from the two large Apple watch / bands tables. Rarely is there anyone there. Complete waste of store floor space IMO.
     
  20. Analog Kid macrumors 601

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    I'm not convinced that Apple is going to build these out into a wearable augmented audio device. They have a history of keeping things fairly simple-- they won't become a competitor to Dash.
     
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    Some people just aren’t watch people. IMO wearing a watch (regardless of how awesome the Apple Watch is) is a habit. I got to make an effort to remember to wear it and take it off. It doesn’t have a niche yet where I know in the back of mind that I’ll be pissed off if I forget it one day.
    Earphones however are my life though. AirPods are refining something that I subconsciously do everyday. Music in general has a wider canvas.
     
  22. dojoman macrumors 65816

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    Same here. Airpods are extremely comfortable that sometime I forget I'm wearing them. I wonder people say they don't fit are just trolling.
     
  23. HobeSoundDarryl, Jun 27, 2017
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    Well by FY22 as he's predicting, it's probably going to be AirPods 4 or 5.

    But whether version 2, 3, 4 or 5, the universal advancements should almost always be:
    • better quality sound
    • better, more comfortable fit
    • longer battery life
    Somewhere in there, there's probably also:
    • colors (or see colorware's options now)
    • changes in general shapes so that one can tell newer model from old (mostly for the "have to have latest & greatest so other people can tell" crowd)
    • improvements to water resistance
    • adoption of newer Bluetooth standards
    • faster charging
     
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    Exactly.
    When I decide to buy them, they're out of stock.
    When I decide I don't need another pair of bluetooth headphones, they're in stock.
     
  26. hanser macrumors regular

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    Interesting. I was recently in London for 4 days and saw at least 2 people with them.

    And the aesthetics are simply opinion and habit. Why should a dangling string from the ears look better than 2 short white stubs? You are just not yet used to the latter.
     

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