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Android probably has that stigma. Gay men have a lot of disposable income and things like status and fashion are important to them, thats why iphones are so popular.

Why are you bringing sexual orientation into this?

We could claim that you own an Android phone, therefore, most Andriod phone owners like galloping around their living room with a tailed buttplug in, whilst screaming 'Someone call me Mary and bite off my genitals'
 
And I'm sure Chevrolet saw the potential for automobiles in 1911, and got ideas from Ford. Bottom line, they're two competitors that shared ideas from each other.

Take that for what it is. Android and iOS are different.

Different in many ways and similar in many others. But only the similarities are relevant in this conversation. Obviously any piece of technology or art which was influenced by other technology/art is going to have many original traits.

What people don't get is that this is not about IP. Even if Apple doesn't win any kind of injunction against Google, many people will always think that Google did rip off some parts of iOS. And this is not because they are stupid or blind followers or drinkers of the cool aid. It's because of how the smartphones have changed after the iPhone. It's very possible that if Apple didn't release it back then, someone else would have taken that risk and release the first multitouch phone. Or maybe we still would have the BB as the primary smartphone design today. Nobody can know that. But the fact is, Apple released the first one, and afterwards everyone else jumped in. And today the majority of smartphones are multitouch and some look extremely similar to iPhone, both in hardware design and OS design.

Maybe Google didn't copy anyone, and maybe they just came up with similar stuff on their own, which is perfectly possible as well.

But one thing is clear. It was Apple that took the biggest risk, to release a different type of smartphone, which was totally unlike the most popular smartphone design of that day, which was BB. And it killed the BB design, very quickly. Neither Google, nor Microsoft took that risk Apple took. They released their multitouch designs/OS's after Apple's risk turned out to be the correct one.
 
How about Google Adsense
Google Maps
Google Navigation, which to this date remains the most advanced cellphone GPS app
Google Docs
Google Wallet
Google Fiber
Google Talk.

Just to name a few. By the way do you know what the difference between a copy and a competition? A copy would be Ford making a car and Chevy making a car that looked exactly like it.

What about their main service.....

GOOGLE SEARCH???
 
I'm pretty sure Google saw the iPhone in 2006 when Schmidt joined the Apple board. Or at least I don't really think even Jobs could hide stuff from his own board members he handpicked.

Reports were that Schmidt left the room for iPhone discussions.

And I'm sure Chevrolet saw the potential for automobiles in 1911, and got ideas from Ford. Bottom line, they're two competitors that shared ideas from each other.

Take that for what it is. Android and iOS are different.

I'm not sure what your point here is. "Share" seems like the completely wrong word to use for this situation. If Chevy implemented an assembly line similar to the one pioneered by Ford, would you not say that Chevy copied Ford?
 
No, the one that don't read the news is you. If you can name the boy who left Apple while working on the iPhone to work at Google I will gift you an iTunes gift card

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...-intel-over-secret-employee-poaching-pact.ars

This happens to ALL corporate Companies. And According to the Justice Department it is ILLEGAL to not let employees seek a job at other simuliar companies. They all broke there agreement with each other. While this might be in bad taste.... its not uncommon. And its apparently not illegal either. They all had to settle this with the justice Department. Just the way the corporate world is with big tech companies. There is not many "fish" in the barrel when you get all of these brilliant minds in tech... Most people can't do this job so selection is limited.


Beginning no later than 2006, Apple and Google executives agreed not to cold call each other’s employees. Apple placed Google on its internal “Do Not Call List,” which instructed employees not to directly solicit employees from the listed companies. Similarly, Google listed Apple among the companies that had special agreements with Google and were part of the “Do Not Cold Call” list;

Beginning no later than May 2005, senior Apple and Adobe executives agreed not to cold call each other’s employees. Apple placed Adobe on its internal “Do Not Call List” and similarly, Adobe included Apple in its internal list of “Companies that are off limits”;

Beginning no later than April 2007, Apple and Pixar executives agreed not to cold call each other’s employees. Apple placed Pixar on its internal “Do Not Call List” and senior executives at Pixar instructed human resources personnel to adhere to the agreement and maintain a paper trail;

Beginning no later than September 2007, Google and Intel executives agreed not to cold call each other’s employees. In its hiring policies and protocol manual, Google listed Intel among the companies that have special agreements with Google and are part of the “Do Not Cold Call” list. Similarly, Intel instructed its human resources staff about the existence of the agreement; and

In June 2007, Google and Intuit executives agreed that Google would not cold call any Intuit employee. In its hiring policies and protocol manual, Google also listed Intuit among the companies that have special agreements with Google and are part of the “Do Not Cold Call” list.

The companies involved have agreed to a five-year settlement that would prevent them from entering into any similar "no solicitation agreements." The Washington, DC federal court will now take a look at the settlement; if it signs off, the lawsuit will be over—and so will the "Do Not Cold Call" lists.
 
It's very possible that if Apple didn't release it back then, someone else would have taken that risk and release the first multitouch phone. Or maybe we still would have the BB as the primary smartphone design today. Nobody can know that.

BB was not the primary smartphone design in Europe, here it was the no keyboard with Windows Mobile. Yap, a large screen and few buttons
 
BB was not the primary smartphone design in Europe, here it was the no keyboard with Windows Mobile. Yap, a large screen and few buttons

I stand corrected. Any links to what kinds of phones they were? But in any case, that's two primary designs iPhone killed, instead of one. Doesn't really change anything.

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And your evidence that Google + failed?

Both Apple Ping and Google+ failed so far. But who knows what'll happen in 5 years.
 
Why are you bringing sexual orientation into this?

We could claim that you own an Android phone, therefore, most Andriod phone owners like galloping around their living room with a tailed buttplug in, whilst screaming 'Someone call me Mary and bite off my genitals'

Have you ever heard me say those things? No, so your analogy fails.

Anyways this is silly how people are getting bent out of shape over my comments. Gay people are stylish, iphone is stylish. Gay people like stylish things, thats why iphones are so popular with gay people.

Its not a knock on gay people or iphone. jeebus!!
 
I thought multitouch instead of physical buttons is a substantially different phone design. Maybe I was wrong.

Multi touch has nothing to do with buttons or the design of the phone.

WM had only three buttons and was a touch screen. iPhone has one button and has a touch screen. Where is the big change in design?
 
Sure, but to what end.

It isn't fear like many claim because even in areas where Samsung can still sell, the results aren't dampening iPad sales one bit.

Samsung (and Android) is already dampening iPhone sales in places like Australia, and no doubt Apple fears the same thing happening with the tablets as well.

Heck, Apple THEMSELVES have said during their lawsuits, that they fear that Samsung tablets will come in with the "velocity of a firehose" and forever turn those customers into Android users instead of iOS users.

I think that Apple needs to buy time to get out a retina iPad, and most like to come up with a 7" style product as well. Otherwise they lose sales in those areas.

The reason is the same as the long term goal. Defending Apple's IP. Period.

At least one judge has already noted that while Apple has claimed that Samsung has copied them since 2007, Apple waited over four years before bringing up design issues. In other words, until Samsung was doing well.

That's why Apple lost their bid for a US injunction... because the judge saw that they clearly were not doing it just about the IP.

But we do have proof that Apple and Samsung have forgotten the rules about starting a market share war in Asia.

I hope they remember to stay away from the Sicilians.

And to build up an immunity to iocane powder!
 
Both Apple Ping and Google+ failed so far. But who knows what'll happen in 5 years.

I kind of like Ping. I feel it's more private and just about one topic, focused. I don't use it very often, but when I do I get exactly what I want out of it.

I haven't seen any reason to use Google+, but then, I don't use any Google services except maybe Maps on iPhone. Very rarely do I use Google Docs for doing some quick mockups with their PowerPoint ripoff, but I'm trying to find an alternative to both of these things now.
 
I kind of like Ping. I feel it's more private and just about one topic, focused. I don't use it very often, but when I do I get exactly what I want out of it.

I haven't seen any reason to use Google+, but then, I don't use any Google services except maybe Maps on iPhone. Very rarely do I use Google Docs for doing some quick mockups with their PowerPoint ripoff, but I'm trying to find an alternative to both of these things now.

I like Ping as well, but it certainly failed. Something that specific is doomed to fail. Social network cannot be specific to something as narrow as music imho.
 
Most of the pro-Android people here are not so much anti-Apple but rather anti-Apple-FANBOY. You fanboys really are completely insane. I can never understand the completely ignorant blind loyalty that goes on for a COMPANY, irrespective of product. It makes no sense as a consumer. Get a life guys. Why the heck does it matter who copied who from a CONSUMER standpoint? :rolleyes:


Tony

I understand, but seriously? Apple worship's there on every other forum and not just MacRumors but most of the posts in Apple Vs X threads are simply some nonsensical irrational hatred by Apple haters. Most of the uprated comments on all these threads are all those Anti-apple comments one can think of.

You really cannot say that this forum is run by people who blindly worship the company. This forum is basically run by pro-android, anti-apple users who just spew hate in every other thread.

EDIT: Trolls incoming.
 
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Multi touch has nothing to do with buttons or the design of the phone.

WM had only three buttons and was a touch screen. iPhone has one button and has a touch screen. Where is the big change in design?

There were many touch screen mobile phones, starting with 1992 even, but they certainly do not even compare to iPhone in usage. Touch screen is not multitouch. Multitouch enables you to use the screen in completely different ways to control the device. With just touch, you certainly would need physical keys to do things fast enough. So, multitouch has a lot to do with the non-existence of buttons.

It certainly has to do a lot with the design of the phone as well, because if you don't need physical buttons, you can build the phone around the screen entirely.

Also, I really can't find any studies showing any of the few touchscreen phones from prior to 2007 being the most popular in Europe. Care to find some?
 
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Justice is served. Samsung cannot make a triangular tablet. This was way different than the previous one. I hope Samsung get's a green signal in the actual hearing.

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And your evidence that Google + failed?

Ping is such a big failure. It cannot even be argued.

Google+ on the other hand is gaining traction, though.
 
Off topic

Wow this thread goes wildly off topic in just a couple of posts!

I guess I shouldn't be suprised!

Who shot who - Who cares....

I can understand Apple wanting to protect their investment but, trying to stop the sale of this lame tablet, I don't get it?

If Apple wants all of the tablet market then they should just produce a cheaper iPad which undercuts the SGT and is still an iPad. That's all Samsung are doing, they are going after the people that want an iPad but can't justify the outlay.

Android is here to stay - get over it already!

Apple still haven't learned the Windows lesson - They should have licensed the iOS and then all the other Tabs would be running it right now.

Notice how MS are doing this with their new mobile OS (which by the way is at least original not just a rip off of whats been done before).

Sheesh!
 
They ripped off IOS, infact Google rip off everything, from everyone, I doubt they've ever had an original idea of their own

Hardly Anyone has a original Idea. Almost everything you have thought of has been thought of by at least one of the 6 billion people on the planet. Its just a matter of who ACTS on it and puts that thought into motion. We don't know 99% of how these action in every company go down. Unless your a Prehistoric man I doubt any Idea we have is really "Original" In Technology you always have to piggyback on some idea from someone... this is what makes technology and science what it is... If it wasn't for this concept we would not even be typing on this computer in front of us. If everyone had to come up with a completely original Idea with NO help from anyone or anything else or ideas that came before it... WE WOULD STILL BE THROWING ROCKS AT EACH OTHER!!! (Which I am sure was copied from someone you seen throw a rock) Science and Technology advance exponentially ... Why? Because you build on something that already exists. This is what drives our evolutionary existence. So just let it be... Just use and buy the tech that fits YOU for what YOU need it for. It might be Apple today it might be Android tomorrow. Never put yourself in a box that you cannot think your way out of tomorrow.

I think this is what Steve really meant with "Think Outside The Box"
"Don't blindly believe what I say. Don't believe me because others convince you of my words. Don't believe anything you see, read, or hear from others, whether of authority, religious teachers or texts. Don't rely on logic alone, nor speculation. Don't infer or be deceived by appearances."- Buddha
 
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There were many touch screen mobile phones, starting with 1992 even, but they certainly do not even compare to iPhone in usage. Touch screen is not multitouch. Multitouch enables you to use the screen in completely different ways to control the device. With just touch, you certainly would need physical keys to do things fast enough. So, multitouch has a lot to do with the non-existence of buttons.

It certainly has to do a lot with the design of the phone as well, because if you don't need physical buttons, you can build the phone around the screen entirely.

Also, I really can't find any studies showing any of the few touchscreen phones from prior to 2007 being the most popular in Europe. Care to find some?

LG Prada was not multitouch and was touch only. Prior to the iPhone. The fact that is forgotten is that capacitive screens started to be cheap around that time and companies started to launch smartphones with that technology by then. Also, 3G data started to be cheap by then.

A study about WM being the preferred OS for smartphones by 2006? I don't have any
 
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