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Germany Urges EU to Require 7 Years of Updates and Repairs for iOS Devices
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It feels arbitrary when it is 220 903 200 seconds. Why not only 200 million seconds?
How much consumer benefit will you loose by decreasing it by 20.9 million seconds?
I was thinking the same thing, just like recycling, I throw away amazon boxes etc, I have neighbors coming over and telling me how bad of a person I am because I don't recycle. they even tried to pull them out of my trash can, I called the cops. cops told them to stay out of my trash LOL. I only did it to be petty, and was annoying to see them acting like raccoons in my trash
stupid tree huggers.
but seriously, its their choice to do whatever they want with whatever they own. I support this fully, don't care about its wastefulness, it isn't your say in anything someone else does.
/endrant on people trying to take away my freedoms just to better their opinion
Well yeah, that’s the point... how do you not see this? If the software had to be updated and keep the phone working properly for 7 years then for 7 years it would *not* be junk.
That’s not how supply chain operational planning works. Read up on a few peer reviewed publications on the topic.
Exactly.... Hell lots of places are ditching recycling. It's a waste. The return vrs gain. Our county was spending over 10 million sending recycling goods out to be recycled a year. Yet only getting 2 million back. So now you have to pay $175 a year to have them pick up recycling. Only 10% signed up. LOL
Last year I upgraded from an iPhone 6 to a 12 Pro. Which was over six years.
Part of the reason then was the difficulty of getting the battery replaced. Whilst I do appreciate the enhancements, I might well have left in another year or more if it hadn't needed charging several times a day!
It’s not a big thing for Apple. Apple still gives software updates and offers repairs for iPhone 6S, from 2015. That’s already 6 years and they even get iOS 15.
It will affect Apple's cost. Which means it either affects shareholders (less profit) or customers (higher prices).
Apple is spectacular good at getting customers to pay these extra costs.
Yes. Hard. Nearest shop many miles away and under lockdown restrictions.
50 bucks wouldn't cover the petrol.
Authorised repairers were quoting over three weeks to do a battery replacement.
Did I say it would?
All I said was that I might well have been a person who kept their phone for seven years. Contradicting your statement: "No one keeps their phones for 7 years."
I think a commitment of 7 years of software security updates from the sale of the device sounds reasonable. It would reduce waste and increase information security in general. I think raising the cost of a first hand phone a little would be alright. Most people are upgrading much more frequently than they need for any practical reason and this would probably increase the resale value slightly to compensate for the increase anyway. I love that Apple is already supporting older phones longer and this would push them to take that just slightly further and push the rest of the industry to match them. No one expects a bicycle or car or microwave to only last a few years so why have such low expectations for a phone?
my s5 was struggling when the s6 came out. never mind using it for another 2 years.
I love how EU consumers will cheer this decision blissfully blind to the fact that they will be paying for this new forced Apple Care insurance plan. Apple will not be absorbing this cost. For people that upgrade every two to three years they will still be paying higher prices to support a 7 year insurance plan for others that want to continue holding on to their phones. Also, forcing support like the automotive industry, only favors those vendors that have the highest volume as they have be best economies of scale. In other words it will cost Google a lot more than it will Apple which in decrease competition.
Depends on how you look at it. As it could improve the used market. Thus higher used prices. Decreasing the yearly or biannual upgrade cost for enthusiasts.
Right now when you get a used flagship Android phone. You have to consider that OEM batteries are difficult to impossible to find and it may only have a year or two of updates left. Whereas under these rules. It'd still have five or six years of updates and easy to buy OEM batteries. Making it far more palatable.
My Pixel 3 for instance. Is just as fast as a current $400 mid range phone. But OS support ends in October and I can't get a genuine battery. So, it's worth very little. It'd likely be worth more if a reliable battery was easy to buy and the OS had another three or four years of updates.
Performance wise it should still be good those years. As the Snapdragon 845 is just as good as a 750g and better than a 720g.
At least with Android 10. The Play Store provides important security updates to Android services. So, Google implemented an end run to keep older phones and poorly supported phones patched.
Iceland, the Azores, Madeira, Malta, and the city of Kirkenes (close to the Russian border in Northern Norway) has to be able to get spare parts in 5 business days for every part for every phone model sold in the EU in the last 5-7 years.
Which means you probably have to have many local storage facilities scattered around EU and/or use air freight.
It's going to cost money.
Good thing no one wants to upgrade. If only 4G were a LTE technology with 3GPP throughout the whole industry. Then at least we would have guarantees how long such technology is available to us… oh wait, it is. 🙄
They have to be removable to be repairable. Making something removable without destroying the device, usually requires more space and some kind of structure to hold it in place, screws etc.
This is not what’s being asked here, no modular devices with socketed components. The devices stay the same as they are, it’s just about availability of the parts that can already be replaced, case, display, battery, camera modules, logic board. This can all be done already, whats asked is that Apple (and others) can supply these parts for seven years. Individual component manufacturers are already bound to longer guarantees for availability after the last component left the factory. So basically if you need a logicboard for a seven year old device, Apple must be able to supply one. This is absolutely common in the electronics industry, as every manufacturer will receive a EOL notification and has to chance to stock/produce components according to the failure rates which are known. If anyone chooses to make a all in one component (say a sealed phone that self destructs when opened), then they have to supply that same component for seven years. Whole industries operate this way and have been for decades. It’s not like this has never been seen before.
Still not common sense. Someone has to store those items for every device made for 7 years.
You should ask Apple what part exactly stopped working. A lot of time it has to do with a faulty proximity/earpiece sensor which is located on the screen, behind the top mesh. Apple new display part comes with attached new earpiece/proximity sensor. Basically if is the case, once they replace the screen and calibrate it you will get your Face ID back to normal.
Let’s just allow governments to mandate that companies never innovate or release new technologies. That would obviously be best consumers, competition and the environment. Revert back to tried and true coal and oil and complacent conglomerates that wouldn't lift a finger to deliver better products.
I’m going to quote myself here…
No one is storing items for every device made for seven years. In fact, they’re not storing more than they do right now, they make new parts if stored supplies run out. If they don’t run out, they’re keeping them longer before they are destroyed.